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jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Got some pictures from the season these overhead shots of the pan ams course are pretty cool





and a few of me racing





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tylertfb
Mar 3, 2004

Time.Space.Transmat.
Incredible pics, the both of you. Racing bikes is the best.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Madison National Championship race report:

The track: Lexus Velodrome in Detroit is unique in the US - a 167m (1/10 mile), 50 degree track - it's narrow, steep, and fun as heck.

The racing:
Friday: a nonchampionship scratch race (20 laps) + my main event, the 35-44 masters madison national championship (120 laps)
Saturday: another scratch race (30 laps) for my field, plus the 15-18 juniors madison national championship (also 120 laps) for one of our local kids.

For those who don't know, the madison is a track event where you tag-team with your partner - you're both on track, but only one of you is actively racing at a time.

The story
Thursday: Flew in, got the bike assembled, and spent a couple hours getting used to the track. I've raced it once before, but every track is enough different that I wanted to allow plenty of time to get a feel for it, especially for how madison exchanges feel on it.
Friday: The non-championship scratch race (mostly to give everyone in the field a chance to get used to racing on the track - it's very different from most other tracks because of its small size). My madison partner and I are in the 35-44 masters field. Collusion isn't allowed in track racing, but when you're literally racing with your partner a bit is to be expected. My partner went for a long attack about 8 laps to go, and I did absolutely nothing to respond - see what the rest of the field felt like doing. Turns out, not much. I gave it a punchy sprint with 2 to go and rolled in for second with a big ol gap. Nothing like going 1-2 to build some confidence, although out main competition chose to sit out the warmup race.

About the Madison: 120 laps, or 20km. 5 teams (which is actually kinda a lot on such a small track). Point sprints every 20 laps, plus 10 points for every lap gained or lost. The main competition were the defending champions, with home track advantage, one of whom was the 2021 elite scratch champion (Kyle Perry, Texas Roadhouse) - no slouches! Based on past performances, we expected them to be stronger diesels than us, and both of us stronger sprinters. We planned to try to mark their moves and then frustrate them in the sprints.


No plan survives first contact, and while we got through a few exchanges on the wheel, it wasn't long before we got a little caught up with another team and were on the back foot chasing. The Madison is all about who makes the least mistakes, and in total we made about 3 - caught by surprise with how fast the riders come around on a short track we had a few missed exchanges.
Our rivals made none, and capitalized on each of ours effectively. Weirdly, by about 30L to go we were pulling them back - despite expecting them to be bigger diesels. I guess that Madison hour record was paying off!
End of the race landed us second, a long way clear of third. Having won this back in 2019, and also landing silver in 2021, it's tough to fall short of the jersey, but with the ups and downs of this year and against such strong competition, I'm pretty satisfied.

We had planned on just getting tore up in the beer garden, but Friday was so fun we decided to race again in the non-championship races Saturday. We did do a bit of enjoying the Detroit nightlife, though...

Saturday: My main event out of the way I shifted focus to supporting our local junior. He's 16, and a good kid, but was a bit up in his head about racing a new race on a weird track with an unfamiliar partner. A bunch of practice exchanges with him and some goofing around (upside down bars, aero?) seemed to get him back in a having fun mood, which, hell - if you can't have fun racing you're doing it wrong, in my book.
For my last race we had a bigger field, but still a pretty short race (3 miles) relative to what we're used to. My partner was feeling silly, so we decided to go with a similar plan and see what happens: he'd try to take a lap, and I'd watch things for the sprint. It ended up mostly working out, but another guy got around for the lap, so we ended up going 2/3.

After that it was a race to the beer garden to cheer for our junior racer. He did great - gutsy riding against a strong field to end up third.
All in all it was a total hoot - every race we did we ended on the podium, and the vibes were good all 'round.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
Ty for the write up! Super interesting!

What do you mean by mistakes? Like missing following attacks? Maybe because im not familiar w the format (slash have no personal experience of racing) im having trouble visualizing.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

It is a rather unique flavor of racing, so yeah, kinda hard to follow.
It might (maybe?) be easier to follow in a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edZ5nXtcl2o&t=3703s

So, in a madison you're trading off back and forth with your partner. The active rider is the 'racing rider', and the other is the 'relief rider'.

The relief rider stays on the track, up high out of the way of the race, waiting for their racing rider to come around and catch them - each time they do, ideally, you exchange who is racing and who is on relief.
You want to do it every time you can, because the race is essentially an interval workout - about 35s on, then 35s of rest, then back at it. If you miss an exchange, that means your partner has to keep going just as hard for 70 seconds instead of 35 seconds, which... just ain't sustainable unless you're insane strong, or your competitors happen to be going easy at that time.

On different track lengths the time it takes for the racing rider to get around to you is different, so we got caught by surprise a couple times with it happening faster on such a short track. It's also tricky with a small track to avoid other riders, which botched another one of our exchanges.

dema
Aug 13, 2006

Super interesting! Congrats on 2nd and thanks for sharing.

dema
Aug 13, 2006

I raced pretty seriously from 2009 to 2015. Between burnout, major health issues, and other hobbies, I stopped riding regularly until early 2022.

2022 got some good miles in. Lost 40 lbs over the course of the year. Finished three gravel races. First two went poorly and I was discouraged. Third one, SBT GRVL, didn't have as much elevation and I'd lost a bunch of weight by that time. Had such a good time.

2023 decided to get a bit more serious. Did a spring TT series, retro class. Four gravel races. And nine crits. Got some good results, including a podium.

And more importantly, had an amazing times with some awesome people.







Looking forward to 2024.

dema fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Dec 3, 2023

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

dema posted:

I raced pretty seriously from 2009 to 2015. Between burnout, major health issues, and other hobbies, I stopped riding regularly until early 2022.

2022 got some good miles in. Lost 40 lbs over the course of the year. Finished three gravel races. First two went poorly and I was discouraged. Third one, SBT GRVL, didn't have as much elevation and I'd lost a bunch of weight by that time. Had such a good time.

2023 decided to get a bit more serious. Did a spring TT series, retro class. Four gravel races. And nine crits. Got some good results, including a podium.

And more importantly, had an amazing times with some awesome people.







Looking forward to 2024.

You're looking strong, good work! Never did podium myself and now I'm in masters age group with all the pros I used to worship.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

bicievino posted:

It is a rather unique flavor of racing, so yeah, kinda hard to follow.


Oh that is super interesting! It totally makes sense when you explain it that you’d want to swap off every lap, I was imagining like one person does a couple laps, then the other.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

VelociBacon posted:

You're looking strong, good work! Never did podium myself and now I'm in masters age group with all the pros I used to worship.

Racing masters is a trip. The mix of people is wild - some folks who came to the sport super late, others who've been doing it forever, and then occasionally it's like "oh poo poo you were in the loving Olympics"

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Well I guess I'm back in this thread again so you know it's race season in montana. I did miss a gravel thing up in polson a few weeks ago I think because I was tired and felt bad and it was raining. This weekend is the 3-day montana gravel challenge, and it's raining. Today we were out setting up the course for the afternoon time trial plus tomorrows longer course Between this morning when I decided to shorten the TT a bit and when we actually raced it got a lot wetter so definitely good call to avoid the twisty descent that was already pretty hosed before it rained more.

Ivan won, followed by another young person who is a speed skater from butte. The actual pro MTB racer was 4th. Then Dan, a drat junior, loving Ben, then I came in 8th, but 1st in 40+. I think if I hadn't slowed down for a car at an intersection that was headed toward me really fast (but the course marshall did get it to stop) I possibly would have beat Ben and Porter but oh well. First time racing outside with a power meter and am ok with my numbers - 338 average and 361np for ~20min. I can average a higher HR for that amount of time and was asking myself if I should be pedaling harder some of the time but it's rolling and and uphill finish so having something left for that is good.

Rode my new orbea terra with road wheels and 34mm corsa n.exts at like 42/46 psi. Felt pretty decent on the slippery descents and corners. Going to ride same bike setup all weekend I think. Tomorrow is mainly road but with a few dirt parts and it'll be wet and there are potholes and stuff. One of the dirt sections might get cut out depending on how much it's raining. It was greasy this morning then will only get worse.





I think we might have some team tactics going tomorrow, or maybe Carter and Ivan and Will will just blow everything up and leave the rest of us to our thing.

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jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Day 2 and 3 happened. Day 2 has been the long gravel stage of the race with 3 being a more road circuit. This year we didn't do the long gravel loop because it's a lot of logistics and probably kind of dangerous especially toward the end of the 1 lane gravel road where you're descending around blind corners. Anyway, 2nd day more pavement, with a few out and backs, one pretty gradually uphill for like 10mi, the next shorter with more climbing. The 2nd section was muddy and slick and I was out of position, went super hard chasing onto the lead group, then was almost immediately dropped up a short dirt climb near the end. Our 2nd group of 3 stayed away and Ivan won so at least there was that. So I think 9th overall but Matt beat me to win 40+. Was a little disappointed because I spent the race not really where I wanted to be, plus dressed for cold and rain which was forecast but didn't really happen, and by the time the hard pedaling began I didn't really have an opportunity to try to take off my gloves and jacket. Essentially my race summary could be "hot, flappy, bad tactics, bad positioning."

Day 3 was the "road race" with an out on dirt to a 10mi circuit that's mostly paved, with a climb on mud but thankfully the descent side was dry. This mud climb is a section I cut out of the TT on friday morning because it was a little iffy and it has only gotten worse over the last few days of periodic rain and cool temps. Andrew was there, who has some pretty good pro road and cx results, and with fresh legs, and definitely wanted the win. Ivan had the overall GC pretty locked down and just wanted a good result and a fun, hard race. We had a good team of like 5 of us, with Ivan's dad, Porter (the jr who beat me in the TT), Brian, and myself. Ivan's dad went off the front early with 2 others and we caught them at the top of the climb. 2nd lap, I find myself riding away with Cory and hold that for over a lap, and then I see a small group chasing us down on lap 3 (of 4). It's Andrew drilling it on the front, along with Will from butte who got 2nd in the TT, Carter the pro MTB racer, and Ivan and Porter. Awesome. I hop on and then Andrew goes up the climb super hard. I'm on the back behind Carter and he gets dropped so I guess I'm dropped too and a small chase group with Jake, Dan, and a couple other guys picks us up. Ok cool I get to sit in for the last lap. After the climb and descent on the circuit, which we took fairly easy, it's about 2k generally uphill to the finish. Things slowed down a bit and I went up the side, not attacking super hard, but getting a gap and going for it. Everyone had been working except me and I kind of blew things up, but Micheal (3rd in TT), got up to me and then another guy Shawn from canada put in a good dig too and just barely got me at the line for 5th. Andrew won, porter 2nd, ivan 3rd, and 6th for me is pretty good for the team. Then Ivan won overall plus I got the 40+ win.


I think my friend Myke took this- found it on cory's strava

I think I'm happy with my power numbers but also don't have a lot of "not zwift in the winter" numbers. Got an email from intervals.icu after every day of racing. Yesterday I had a pretty good but not good enough average power for the last 40min, today I had a normalized power of 305w for 2 hours plus a best 1min, 2min, and 5min for the season. Also yesterday morning I felt like garbage and my watch told me my "training readiness" was 14. This morning it said 7 but I felt better and had more sleep.

Next weekend is a mountain bike race in helena, then our wed night xc series gets started although I'm not sure what the plan is for that. Usually it's a whole thing for me setting up all the courses and gradually getting the pro xc ready but it's apparently a lot lower profile this year.

Also did a really good job of loving up my bike. Really hoping the headset bearings are ok because guess where the brake hoses go. The bike, wheel, and tire setup was perfect all weekend though. The guy who hosts the race had bike wash stations in his yard so after every stage I hosed off my bike, put it in the stand and wiped everything down good, then put some silca super secret on the chain every night once it dried out. Even after the nasty slick mud section on day 2 my shifting felt good and drivetrain seemed quiet.

jamal fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Apr 29, 2024

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