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Welcome to the second annual SA Ultimate Board Game Draft! What is this? Inspired by this article, the participants are going to draft board games into a hypothetical collection like fantasy sports. This won't exactly be the same as a top-15 list from each participant because they have to consider their placement and wheeling potential. We had a draft last year which you can find here. It was a good time; I encourage you to check it out! What are the rules? - The draft will be in Snake/Rotisserie format. The first 3 rounds of picks will take the order: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 - Each participant will draft 10 total games, so 140 total titles will be selected. - Titles will be selected one at a time. For example, Participant A will select a title, then Participant B will select a title, and so forth. Participant A will not submit a list of 10 titles immediately offhand. - Each title can only be selected once. - Each title must be selected for the purposes of only playing that game. For example, if you draft Cockroach Poker it must be on the merits of playing only Cockroach Poker, not its ability to proxy Skull easily as well. Likewise, don't say 'a deck of playing cards'; you must choose a specific game like Spades and you are limited to only that game with its materials. - I am considering each title to encompass all versions and expansions. In addition, each pick encompasses everything in that game’s family. Games count as belonging to a family if BoardGameGeek can trace a re-implemented line between games. Notable examples from last draft: Civilization, Advanced Civilization, Mega Civilization, and Western Empires all count as a single entry. Brass Lancashire, Brass Birmingham, and Age of Industry are a single entry. All standalone Battlecon titles are a single entry. Pandemic and Pandemic Legacy are a single entry. Nanty Narking and Discworld: Ankh-Morpork are a single entry. This isn’t a comprehensive list, just a few examples. - The only 18xx games eligible to draft here are 1830, 1846, and 1889. I asked around, and the answer that makes the most sense to me is that most games are derivative of one of those three games. This is a can of worms that I am not interested in opening as I am confident that enthusiasts can argue me under the table. I gently ask that you understand my desire to smooth this over proactively to get the event started. - The title must be released. It can be relentlessly out of print, but it cannot currently be in preorder or kickstarter status. - Every odd round (1, 3, 5, 7, 9) will have a theme that you must adhere to when making your pick that round. In addition, the theme for each themed round will only be known by the previous round. When the draft starts, drafters will know the theme for round 1. When round 1 finishes and round 2 starts, the theme for the 3rd round will be revealed. At the end of the draft, each participant will select one game from their picks to represent each theme. 5 distinct games will need to be selected; a game cannot be selected for two themes. For example, suppose the theme for round 1 is Worker Placement. Round 1 I draft Dominant Species; round 2 I draft Caylus. Although I drafted Caylus in the dedicated theme round, I could choose to present Dominant Species as my representative for Worker Placement at the end of the draft. The player at the end of the round normally gets to make two selections back to back. They can continue to do this on odd rounds heading into even rounds, but if they want to wait for me to announce the next theme. Regardless, the draft will pause after that player makes their pick until the theme is announced. - The winner of the draft will be determined by a participant only vote over three categories: Best Overall Collection, Appeals to Widest Range of Tastes, and Best Collective Nominees for Draft Themed Rounds. The scores for each category will be evaluated, and then weighted. Each category will have the same weight on the total score. For Themed Rounds, participants will submit their list of game representatives at the end of the draft, before voting.  What is different this time? Most of you have probably done some sort of draft. I wanted to refine and mix things up this year. Clarification on Game Families – I was overall happy with the idea to condense picks into families of games rather than unique entries. However, there were some cases where I feel I fumbled as an arbiter. To try and cut off the corner cases, I am expanding this rule to also define games as belonging to a family if BoardGameGeek can trace a re-implemented line between games. Notable examples from last draft: Civilization, Advanced Civilization, Mega Civilization, and Western Empires all count as a single entry. Brass Lancashire, Brass Birmingham, and Age of Industry are a single entry. All standalone Battlecon titles are a single entry. Pandemic and Pandemic Legacy are a single entry. Nanty Narking and Discworld: Ankh-Morpork are a single entry. This isn’t a comprehensive list, just a few examples. 18xx – The elephant in the room with the above is the 18xx system of games. I have not played any, and I am not reading rule books to figure out what is and is not redundant. My clumsy way of dealing with this is the following: the only 18xx games eligible to draft here are 1830, 1846, and 1889. I asked around, and the answer that makes the most sense to me is that most games are derivative of one of those three games. This is a can of worms that I am not interested in opening as I am confident that enthusiasts can argue me under the table. I gently ask that you understand my desire to smooth this over proactively to get the event started. Themed Rounds – Most drafts allow you to pick whatever you want. I want to add some tension and encourage participants to draft titles they like but otherwise may not take with limited picks. Every even numbered round (2, 4, 6, 8, 10) will continue to be freeform. Every odd round (1, 3, 5, 7, 9) will have a theme that you must adhere to when making your pick that round. In addition, the theme for each themed round will only be known by the previous round. When the draft starts, drafters will know the theme for round 1. When round 1 finishes and round 2 starts, the theme for the 3rd round will be revealed. At the end of the draft, each participant will select one game from their picks to represent each theme. 5 distinct games will need to be selected; a game cannot be selected for two themes. For example, suppose the theme for round 1 is Worker Placement. Round 1 I draft Caylus; round 2 I draft Dominant Species. Although I drafted Caylus in the dedicated theme round, I could choose to present Dominant Species as my representative for Worker Placement at the end of the draft. Upfront Win Conditions – Last year I didn’t have a good idea of how to evaluate the draft when it began. I settled on a hidden goal system with weighted categories so that drafters could be true to themselves. While I still encourage that rather than trying to game epoints, this year I want to make the weighted categories known from the start. They are: Best Overall Collection, Appeals to Widest Range of Tastes, and Best Collective Nominees for Draft Themed Rounds. The participants will vote secretly among themselves for each of the three categories. The person who performs the best across all 3 wins! What is the initial draft order 1. rchandra 2. ketchup vs catsup 3. silvergoose 4. Dancer 5. nimby 6. blackmongoose 7. Memnaelar 8. casnorf 9. DogCop 10. PseudoScorpion 11. Jedit 12. Bottom Liner 13. Chill la Chill 14. Doctor Spaceman Last Notes - I would ask that you try to make your picks at least within 10 hours of being your turn. We have 140 picks to run through, so this could take a while. You are all over the globe with real lives, so I understand that things come up, but I do want this to finish at a reasonable clip. - You do not need to own, or even have actually played, any game that you draft. Obviously it helps if you've at least played it, but absolutely feel free to expand beyond your physical collection. - I would also encourage comments, analysis, and heckling from both fellow participants and other spectators. - If you join the we can chat and ping you when its your turn. You also get exclusive access to weekly postings of cute and friendly animals. - We're working on the honor system here. I reserve the right to make an executive decision with regards to omitting picks, removing inactive participants, or anything else that falls into a gray area. - If you have a question about any possible pick, feel free to message me. It's my job to clear up questions and misunderstandings. I wrote the rules myself, and I am totally willing to admit there are technical gaps somewhere. - Because I want to have chatter in this thread, make your picks by posting in the following format: code:Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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rchandra Dominion Spirit Island - Games Released During Or After 2016 1846 Codenames - Games That Can Play 6 Players Age of Steam Sekigahara - The Unification of Japan Star Wars: The Queen's Gambit - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Backgammon - Games That Implement Dice The Crew Titan - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking ketchup vs catsup Sidereal Confluence: Trading and Negotiation in the Elysian Quadrant - Games That Can Play 6 Players Gloomhaven Automobile - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Arkham Horror: The Living Card Game The Voyages of Marco Polo - Games That Implement Dice Forbidden Stars Battlestar Galactica - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Android: Netrunner Barrage - Games Released During Or After 2016 Russian Railroads silvergoose Napoleon's Triumph - Games That Can Play 6 Players Through the Ages Poker - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Hansa Teutonica Riichi Mahjong - Games That Implement Dice Bridge War of the Ring 2E - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Guns of Gettysburg Wind the Film - Games Released During Or After 2016 Shogi Dancer Food Chain Magnate - Games That Can Play 6 Players Galaxy Trucker The Estates Wir sind das Volk! John Company - Games That Implement Dice Bus - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking A Game of Thrones: The Board Game 2E - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Santorini Via Nebula - Games Released During Or After 2016 Quantum nimby Twilight Imperium 4th Edition - Games That Can Play 6 Players Dungeon Petz Colosseum - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Mage Knight Kemet - Games That Implement Dice Vinhos Star Wars Rebellion - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Chaos in the Old World Terraforming Mars - Games Released During Or After 2016 Zendo blackmongoose 1830 - Games That Can Play 6 Players Brass: Birmingham Chicago Express - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Concordia Twice as Clever - Games That Implement Dice Kanban Star Wars Armada - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Tragedy Looper Great Western Trail - Games Released During Or After 2016 Maria Memnaelar Argent: The Consortium - Games That Can Play 6 Players Gaia Project Madeira - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Underwater Cities Cthulhu Wars - Games That Implement Dice Space Alert A Study in Emerald 1E - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Archipelago Millennium Blades - Games Released During Or After 2016 Glen More II casnorf Cosmic Encounter - Games That Can Play 6 Players Pandemic Legacy Mythic Battles: Pantheon - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Acquire Liar's Dice - Games That Implement Dice Star Wars: Imperial Assault Crusader Kings - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties PARKS Rising Sun - Games Released During Or After 2016 Hive DogCop 1889 Pax Pamir 2E Container Indonesia Root - Games That Implement Dice Crokinole Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Bridges of Shangri-La - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Psychic Pizza Deliverers Go to the Ghost Town - Games Released During Or After 2016 A Fake Artist Goes to New York - Games That Can Play 6 Players PseudoScorpion Keyflower - Games That Can Play 6 Players Twilight Struggle Lords of Vegas - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Dune - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Roll for the Galaxy - Games That Implement Dice Caylus Batman Love Letter Glory to Rome Blue Lagoon - Games Released During Or After 2016 Cribbage Jedit Roads & Boats Orleans London 2E A Feast for Odin Island Project - Games That Implement Dice Mysterium - Games That Can Play 6 Players Armata Strigoi - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties The Gallerist Smartphone Inc - Games Released During Or After 2016 Fast Sloths - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Bottom Liner Dominant Species - Games That Can Play 6 Players Antiquity Through the Desert - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Inis Command and Color: Ancients - Games That Implement Dice Agricola Marvel Champions: The Card Game - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Tigris & Euprates Nokosu Dice - Games Released During Or After 2016 Tash-Kalar: Arena of Legends Chill la Chill Mega Civilization - Games That Can Play 6 Players The Great Zimbabwe Neuland - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Modern Art Troyes - Games That Implement Dice Chinatown Robotech Force of Arms - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Reef Encounter I don't wanna leave kotatsu - Games Released During Or After 2016 Go Doctor Spaceman Zombicide - Games That Can Play 6 Players El Grande Northern Pacific - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Dungeon Lords Outfoxed - Games That Implement Dice Ra Over Hill and Under Hill (LotR LCG) - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Consulting Detective (Sherlock Holmes) Kingdomino - Games Released During Or After 2016 San Juan Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Round 1 will represent the first themed round. The theme is Games that can play 6 Players. Note that it doesn't have to play six players well, just able to play 6 players. Player count is defined as the maximum number listed on the BoardGameGeek listing. If an expansion allows adds components for a 6th player, like Petrichor for example, then it is legal. If two copies of a game are required to expand the player count to 6, then it does not count (can't think of an example off the top of my head). If the rules themselves list it as a variant, then the BGG listing is wrong. Battlecon is technically a 1-5 player game because of the variants, but you can't convince me anyone has ever played a 5 player game of Battlecon. Even in the community tab player next to the best at count under the BGG player count, it shows 2+ rather than 2 (reference Sekigahara). Therefore, I accept that BGG's listing should be 2-8 players which again is alluded to in the 2+ count. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me here or DM me in Discord. Next Year Favor List: StashAugustine Gutter Owl Tekopo Aramoro Infinitum Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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Round 1: Theme - Games That Can Play 6 Players Round 2: Round 3: Theme - Games Rated Outside of the Top 300 of the BGG Overall Ranking Round 4: Round 5: Theme - Games That Implement Dice Round 6: Round 7: Theme - Games Based on Non-Board Game Properties Round 8: Round 9: Theme - Games Released During Or After 2016 Round 10: code:Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Jul 29, 2020 17:31
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gently caress me up fam.
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Jul 29, 2020 17:44
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Jul 29, 2020 17:45
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I'm up for drafting all the generic MWE's again. Though if you need the space for new/better blood you can definitely give my seat to someone elsd.!
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Jul 29, 2020 17:48
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gently caress it, I'll jump in to do the opposite of that
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Jul 29, 2020 17:52
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To be clear, sign up if you are interested and can commit to regularly checking over the next week or two. Even if you're a second timer. If we reach past 12 interested people, then I will ask some second timers to sit out. But let's get to 12 first before crossing that bridge.
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Jul 29, 2020 17:53
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I'd like to join. rchandra in the discord also.
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Jul 29, 2020 17:54
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I’m here to take all the good games
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Jul 29, 2020 17:55
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I am here to defeat my nemesis
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Jul 29, 2020 17:56
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I'd like to play. Poorly, doubtlessly, but play all the same. 
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Jul 29, 2020 18:00
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AS REIGNING CHAMPION I would defend my title (but only if chill makes it in too so I can hate draft)
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Jul 29, 2020 18:00
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Memnaelar posted:I'd like to play. Glad to have you! You can't have worst taste than me, so you're already in the green. I forget if you're in the discord, but come chat if not!
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Jul 29, 2020 18:06
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I haven't written an essay on why no one else in the draft appreciates really good games in a while. Put me back in, coach. Round 2 is going to murder me.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:14
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I want in to win the popular vote for the second year in a row
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Jul 29, 2020 18:19
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Shadow225 posted:Glad to have you! I clicked on the Discord link but it says it expired? Memnaelar#8813 is my handle there though.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:23
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Looking at the format, I'd like to make a suggestion? Combining the serpentine with even theme rounds makes for a very uneven experience depending on queue position. Like, if you're in position 12/15, you're shafted on picking up the hotly contested stuff like Splotters or Vlaada, and the usual compensation you get (the wheel pick) comes with a pair of handcuffs. I think you'll get a more interesting draft with 2/3 theme picks. So like: Free Theme Theme Free Theme Theme Free etc
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Jul 29, 2020 18:58
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I see the concern. On immediate thought, I think switching the themed rounds from even to odd would address that. You still have handcuffs when the round switches over, but it should be better balanced by the earlier picks being able to pick stronger multi purpose games by leading off with the constraints. I'll mull it over and have a decision tomorrow, with plans to start draft on Friday.
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We full yet? I'm down if there's still a slot and dude over there is still married.
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Jul 29, 2020 19:15
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Sure, Why Not? Sign me up.
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It looks like we're over 12 already? I'll put my name in anyway, maybe we can run 2 simultaneous drafts if we get 24 people
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Yeah, this isn't first come first serve. Definitely throw your name in the hat if you are interested. I want to be cognizant of those unable to check posts immediately when I posted. I will give preference to new participants until we get 50% on each side. If there is enough interest, I am not opposed to shifting to 16 people/10 rounds. The difference of 16 picks shouldn't be too drastic, considering that 160 picks is still much lower than the 224 last year. For the time being, I am still planning on 12 people/12 rounds. I'll ask second timers to sit out, probably by RNG at this point, once I feel confident that everyone who would be interested has a chance to express interest.
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Jul 29, 2020 20:28
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In if there's a spot~
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Jul 29, 2020 23:06
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I'll take a spot if there is one and will pick Zendo first round, no regrets.
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Jul 29, 2020 23:43
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I'm keen.
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Jul 29, 2020 23:53
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You wanna see games what people actually like but won't admit to liking? Put yer ol pal fishbo-er, casnorf in yon draft. Plus you get lots of bonus arguing it'll be great.
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Jul 30, 2020 00:10
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I am happy to provide some objective truths about boardgames.
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Jul 30, 2020 08:05
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Expecting a lot of back room deals about this draft, I’m sure of it. Dogcop isn’t going to let go of his title so easily.
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Alright, let's talk. The easy part: I have decided to shift the themed rounds to the odd rounds rather than the even rounds. I think that this would address the concerns GO brought up without making the draft 2/3 themed rounds. Even if it doesn't, we're still rolling with it. I still want to reveal the themes in the round previous, so we may have some hiccups with the end drafter in each round. I will leave the decision up to them between waiting for me to announce my theme before they make their double up pick, or making their two picks without waiting for me. Regardless, the draft will pause after they pick until I announce the theme. I'll try to be as quick as possible, just understand that I may be sleeping or taking care of other life duties. The hard part: We have 18 interested parties, with an even split between first and second time participants. The options I have are sticking with 12 people/12 rounds, going 14/10, going 16/10, or going 18/8. If all 18 parties were on the same continent, I would consider that more heavily. As it is, I would prefer we not to have to juggle that many people across the globe. Last year we did 16/14. The first half of the draft I remember being snappy while the second half dragged a bit. While I feel a bit weird about having less participants than last year, I want to trust my gut feeling on making this a holistically enjoyable experience. So, I will be limiting to 14 people. The hardest part: This means I need to make 4 cuts. There are 9 people in each camp, so two people can be removed from each and have a 50% new participant ratio. I assigned everyone a number by sign up order, rolled a 10 sided die twice for each group, with 10 meaning I roll again. For the second year crew, I rolled 6 and 9 (nice). For the new participants, I rolled 2 and 9. Therefore, unless other people want to give up their spots to these people I have to begrudgingly ask them not to participate this year: Gutter Owl, Tekopo, StashAugustine, and Aramoro. The other 14 of you that expressed interest are in unless you decide to donate your spot. I'll let the rest of the day be used to figure out if someone wants to donate their spot. Whoever does not get in, whether from the rolls or donation, will be guaranteed a spot next year. I will adjust the OPs to reflect these changes. Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Oh I see how it is, take out the two heavyweights to make it easier for the rest of the field
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I can't wait for the "ironic" Zendo first-picks and the "ironic" Zendo votes from the pro-Tek coalition.
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Jul 30, 2020 16:18
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Nothing ironic about it when you’re paid hard cash for your vote 😈
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Jul 30, 2020 16:33
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Holy poo poo go and tek were two of my most feared draftmates
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Jul 30, 2020 16:49
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Goose is going to sneak into first while Donk and I squabble about the good games. Which means...
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Tekopo posted:Oh I see how it is, take out the two heavyweights to make it easier for the rest of the field lets just make our own draft
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Alright, let's get the show on the road. Here is the draft order: 1 rchandra 2 ketchup vs catsup 3 silvergoose 4 Dancer 5 nimby 6 blackmongoose 7 Memnaelar 8 casnorf 9 DogCop 10 PseudoScorpion 11 Jedit 12 Bottom Liner 13 Chill la Chill 14 Doctor Spaceman Doctor Spaceman, let me know at some point if you want me to announce round 3 theme before you make your second pick. Otherwise, feel free to make them both simultaneously. Round 1 will represent the first themed round. The theme is Games that can play 6 Players. Note that it doesn't have to play six players well, just able to play 6 players. Player count is defined as the maximum number listed on the BoardGameGeek listing. If an expansion allows adds components for a 6th player, like Petrichor for example, then it is legal. If two copies of a game are required to expand the player count to 6, then it does not count (can't think of an example off the top of my head). If the rules themselves list it as a variant, then the BGG listing is wrong. Battlecon is technically a 1-5 player game because of the variants, but you can't convince me anyone has ever played a 5 player game of Battlecon. Even in the community tab player next to the best at count under the BGG player count, it shows 2+ rather than 2 (reference Sekigahara). Therefore, I accept that BGG's listing should be 2-8 players which again is alluded to in the 2+ count. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me here or DM me in Discord. rchandra you're on the clock Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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Round 1: Pick 1 Dominion I can sense I'll need a real 6p game later. Dominion is an excellent 2-3p game! When you have the expansions allowing 6, you also can play 2 3p games instead. Such a variety of expansions, yet in any given game you only need to understand the 10-12 items in that game. The original deckbuilder, never surpassed.
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