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Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

Doc Hawkins posted:

Why would a Biden admin change this? If you're already committed to not paying people to stay home and healthy and to not providing care if they're sick, accurate and widespread testing doesn't do anything but make people scared to go out and buy things. There's no upside.

Here's the thing- the way the pandemic is being mismanaged means that in the near term, the economy is gonna take a nosedive, and international trade being in the situation it is- no amount of domestic stimulation is going to make it much better. Biden, the GOP, AND the DNC, as well as the moneyed interests of the US, are heavily invested in a relatively healthy workforce that can move about the nation and international sphere relatively easily. What we're seeing is the erosion of not only a commercial economy but the potential for future able-bodied workforces and interpersonal interactivity.

Anyone who is not Trump wants the CDC to be operating better and things to be recorded, tracked, and reported so that they can better model and project where this is going, and adjust capital to either mitigate loss or to transfer risk to other parts of the economy. Right now, nothing is logical or makes sense because it's being so heinously mismanaged and no one wants to piss off the toddler in the oval office. So yeah, in terms of "there will be no altruism", you're right, but remember that the national management apparatus is set up to meet the needs of industry, so now that there is pressure to normalize or make an attempt to mitigate the impact, you would totally see positive movement in a post-Trump administration.

A great example of the pressures behind this mindset and ideology would be the "philanthropy" of the moneyed types in the late 1800s through Prohibition. They didn't actually strongly believe in curing man's ills, but they definitely wanted a healthier, more sober, and more literate workforce to maximize profit and ensure consistent output. If you're unable to guarantee that your customer and employee base is going to be able to a) come to you b) have money to buy your product or c) be able to show up to make/push your product- that's a huge risk to your business and impacts the larger economy.

Immanentized fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Aug 26, 2020

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Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

CainFortea posted:

This is 100% fan fiction.

The ONLY number they care about is next quarter. Period.

If they were at all interested in investing in a healthy workforce this would never have happened.

And what do you think is driving the metrics for next quarter? It's not a truly healthy workforce, but one that can be relied on to show up semi-regularly. Remember that when this all went down that there were major industries (excepting meat packing, but they're a special case) that went WFH/ high level employee protections immediately, once the risks were understood to a decent degree. Sure they're not acting altruistically or out of care for the worker as a group, but if you don't have people your earnings are going to suffer. It wasn't a perfect or even adequate amount of protection, but just enough to ensure that business as usual continued.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

CainFortea posted:

Make them show up to work even if they're sick.

And they do! I'm not fundamentally disagreeing with you, but at some point doing that yields negative returns. I do this sort of risk modelling on top of general security work for a living. It's a definite calculus that is going into manufacturing and logistics employers right now.
The currentconsensus is that the "show up, don't call out" model didn't work Spring-Summer 2020. Everyone's freaking out about Fall-Winter through 2021. A lot of companies are expecting the year to start off worse than March-May 2020 looked and if it means offering an inch of employee wellness, they'll eat that cost to protect some of their margins. After all, there's baked in tax incentives.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

CainFortea posted:

Okay, but the point we are disagreeing about is that pretending that the monied give a poo poo about worker health. Because the ONLY thing that matters is the next few weeks. No one who is in any real position of power to do anything about it is freaking out. I'm sure some middle management types are.

Yeah it's not the workers, it's the labor resource. The people freaking out are the statistical modelers and mid-term strategists, but Johnny CEO won't acknowledge until Q4 earnings are reported.

Thanks for the clarification, I think we're on the same bitter wavelength now.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009
Lol

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1300620978305736704?s=20

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