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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

RIP Fall Sick and Die, wherever you are.

i was just thinking about this today. what happened to this guy.

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

Still Dismal posted:

I have complicated thoughts on patriotism. I think patriotism in the sense of some kind of communal responsibility for and obligation to your fellow citizens, a sense that you are all part of some greater whole, is in many cases good, and is probably necessary for things like robust welfare states to work, both practically and politically. But there's definitely a shallow and cruel patriotism that manifests in idolatry of national symbols and hatred of the outgroup.

as far as i know, the american left's refusal to embrace basic patriotism - like, just mentioning the word "america" in a positive context - is unique among electoral movements. it's also self defeating. turns out, voters like to hear about america and how it can be great. despite losing constantly for decades this left is too petty to try winning by articulating a complete vision for the country. instead it's ceded basic tools of electoral politics to conservative capitalists. what other country in the world is there where a display of the flag in any way, at least in urban and semi urban areas, is presumptively a conservative statement?

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

trying to think of why germany is not a representative example. it'll come to me eventually!

do leftists ever display german flags though? if you see a german flag sticker on a car, is it practically certain that person is a weird AfD conservative?

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

lol no it's not hard. nationalism is used by the american right because it's easy and effective. it's an incredibly powerful electoral tool, and especially in the american electoral system, which is structurally biased towards the rural vote, where nationalism is very, very deeply rooted. progressives are leaving votes on the table.

buttigieg's campaign, for instance, had about zero substance, but he was ascendant largely because he waved the flag a bit. it's not that hard to do this while promoting democratic socialism, but the american left refuses to do this because they are such loving crybabies. it's a real dereliction of the leftist cause to not even try and go after nationalists by articulating your own vision for what america is supposed to mean. no poo poo this country has failed to live up to its mythos in fact, but the mythos is already pretty progressive - a fact that conservatives don't have to bellyache about much because no one is really bothering to challenge them on it anymore.

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

silence_kit posted:

Bernie liked patriotism and the American flag I thought? I think you might be projecting the AmeriKKKa posts on the SA political forums onto people who might actually have more of a chance of mattering politically.

- bernie would say he does if you really press him on it, which is not the same thing as using it as a political tool
- bernie is the man but a loving terrible campaigner who just gave the same stump speech at every single event and refused to meaningfully criticize his opponents

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