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The insane narrative that everyone hated Eureka when it was just loud westerners on Reddit and here ftw.
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Mar 6, 2024 16:57
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ImpAtom posted:Eureka had BA which is and remains my favorite piece of content in the game so no. BA came out in the end of Stormblood, which is after multiple patches and tweaks to Eureka. When it launched 3 patches prior it was universally maligned.
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Mar 6, 2024 16:57
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:BA came out in the end of Stormblood, which is after multiple patches and tweaks to Eureka. So are you discussing Eureka as a whole or literally only Eureka Anemos as it launched. Because I actually liked Eureka Anemos more than Pagos. There was a shitton of cosmetics and loot to collect, it was pretty easy to max out all your tier 1 weapons, and in general I had more fun with it than Pagos and Pyros.
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Mar 6, 2024 16:59
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Just Anemos as it launched. Maybe saying literally every single person had the good taste to dislike it is hyperbole, but it's one of the most universally disliked pieces of content SE released into the game. But SE does as SE does and tweaked it, and improved the later sets.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:02
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Do you have a single source to back that claim up? - JC Denton.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:02
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Because I clearly remember memes about how it's only the loud westerners crying and the JP datacenters were having quite the good time. Even at launch Ameneos. And, hell. I had a ton of fun with it too and it was filled to the brim with people chatting and having a good time on Primal.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:03
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Just Anemos as it launched. Maybe saying literally every single person had the good taste to dislike it is hyperbole, but it's one of the most universally disliked pieces of content SE released into the game. But SE does as SE does and tweaked it, and improved the later sets. People seemed to enjoy Anemos at launch from what I recall. Like some people got annoyed but mostly it was a big goofy zone where you made nonstop bear puns in chat, got a ton of loot, and got your 'revive people out of combat' achievement in ten minutes. There was a lot more negativity around Pagos (which is TBH where like 90% of people's big complaints about Eureka surfaced) and Pyros was clearly a retreat back to Anemos's style after Pagos' sleepy dragons and cliff drops.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:05
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ImpAtom posted:Eureka had BA which is and remains my favorite piece of content in the game so no. No it didn't. That was 3 more iterations unto eureka. Launch anemos was hunt train where the enemy would just disappear from your screen and aoes wouldn't show on your side because they hadn't sorted out model culling correctly at the time. Then it was launch pagos and that was launch pagos.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:10
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Just Anemos as it launched. Maybe saying literally every single person had the good taste to dislike it is hyperbole, but it's one of the most universally disliked pieces of content SE released into the game. No, that was HW Diadem.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:17
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I actually know more people who liked the first Diadem better than Anemos. Gathers mostly, and they lived in diadem, but a few went in for the sky scrips or whatever you got from the fates. They dropped off a bit when the second release came out. Granted, that wasn't a high number of people either. I only stepped foot in it a couple times so can't really comment.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:19
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:No it didn't. That was 3 more iterations unto eureka. Launch anemos was hunt train where the enemy would just disappear from your screen and aoes wouldn't show on your side because they hadn't sorted out model culling correctly at the time. That is why it owned though. It was like Red Chocobos before Red Chocobos.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:22
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I don't think that anyone would disagree that Pagos had problems. Anemos, Pyros, and Hydatos were all pretty good from the start though. All three are also better than either Bozja zone.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:32
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I actually know more people who liked the first Diadem better than Anemos. Gathers mostly, and they lived in diadem, but a few went in for the sky scrips or whatever you got from the fates. They dropped off a bit when the second release came out. Granted, that wasn't a high number of people either. My most vivid memory of 3.1 Diadem was everyone in the zone piling in on the Brachiosaur FATE and a sudden realization hitting me when it started casting Meteor. I do think it's funny that you just never see those dinosaur models again unless you do deep dungeon or that one CE in Zadnor.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:39
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Vitamean posted:My most vivid memory of 3.1 Diadem was everyone in the zone piling in on the Brachiosaur FATE and a sudden realization hitting me when it started casting Meteor. I do think it's funny that you just never see those dinosaur models again unless you do deep dungeon or that one CE in Zadnor. That's the same as mine. I remember we'd just ran around to find all the aethercurrents to fly. Then all the groups met up to fight a Brachiosaur, and Meteor happened. It was a pretty huge model if I remember correctly too. It is weird that the model has so little usage elsewhere.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:42
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my bigger memory of the meteor dino is how it took a full party in savage gear going full blast for like 10 minutes of a dummy parse (because there weren't any mechanics besides meteor) just to get silver and probably a garbage piece of aetherial gear that you didn't know wouldn't be necessary for the next tier because the concept of crafted pre-raid gear would only come out with the next patch Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Mar 6, 2024 17:49
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It's such a weird thing to look back on, even just to see what concepts were refined and brought into Eureka and Bozja. Like the little final boss fight in the second Diadem being an early stab at BA and later CLL/Dalriada. It was the first time since, I dunno, Northern Thanalan FATE farming? that you'd see a bunch of people just kind of hanging out in a zone while doing combat content and it carried on into exploratory zones and the Firmament ranking periods. I sorely missed it during EW, so I'm super excited for whatever they got cooking up for both the new exploratory zone and whatever the expanded lifestyle zone they're working on.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:58
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I know that there was some discontent about Anemos because otherwise they wouldn't have added the Eureka challenge logs that were not in at start.
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Mar 6, 2024 18:33
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I mostly just didn’t find Eureka fun. I got the buff cloak so I know what to do but it’s basically just getting on the train, right? It just doesn’t seem much fun to me. If they can make something like this that’s more appealing to casual asses like me I am down. It seems doable just not easy
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Mar 6, 2024 18:46
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Nessus posted:I mostly just didn’t find Eureka fun. I got the buff cloak so I know what to do but it’s basically just getting on the train, right? It just doesn’t seem much fun to me. The fun part for Eureka for me, as I mentioned in a previous post, is running around in a zone with a bunch of other people killing stuff and chatting while doing so. FFXIV mostly has combat in 4 or 8 person instances so I enjoy Eureka and Bozja being zones for 20+ people to run around doing stuff.
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Mar 6, 2024 18:59
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I think most of the changes they made for Bozja are solid. If I could revert two things it'd be making maps more open again (if they want to restrict CE participation just do it off of level instead of quest progress) and find a different way to do Delubrum. I'd still love for there to be a savage multi-alliance instance - especially one that you can queue directly into instead of how BA worked - but after the content dies off people should be able to progress without having to beg in PF or whatever.
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Mar 6, 2024 19:05
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ImpAtom posted:That is why it owned though. It was like Red Chocobos before Red Chocobos. No you could actually see the red chocobos. And the red chocobos werent built around a system of grinding mobs like it was ff11 but with a combat system that required 15x the inputs per second like launch anemos was before the weekly challenge logs and getting mounts early was added in. Pyros was the first bit of eureka that launched in a decent state and even that was just decent because the NM fights are all mostly boring like typical hunt targets and it took awhile before you got to where the action material grind became a lovely vertical wall of you were going for a relic. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Mar 6, 2024 19:25
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eureka and bozja are so hated that next expansion will have the third iteration of that content. you know, the thing you do when people hate something
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Mar 6, 2024 21:57
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Kagaya Homoraisan posted:eureka and bozja are so hated that next expansion will have the third iteration of that content. you know, the thing you do when people hate something I mean diadem was hated and it's the precursor to eureka They've gotten better with each iteration but that doesn't mean they were scuffed at launch and that people didn't have issues with them.
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Mar 6, 2024 22:03
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Kagaya Homoraisan posted:eureka and bozja are so hated that next expansion will have the third iteration of that content. you know, the thing you do when people hate something And people immediately decided Endwalker was bad when it didn't have one
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Mar 6, 2024 22:08
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I mean diadem was hated and it's the precursor to eureka "the content was flawed and improved on" and "everyone actually hated the content" are two entirely different things.
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Mar 6, 2024 22:11
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It's weird because I think EW has had some of the best new and updated content (variants/criterion, eureka orthos is prob my favorite iteration of deep dungeon, some excellent raid floors), but I do all of them with friends at scheduled times. Not having something I can dip into like Eureka or Bozja really killed a lot of my motivation to log in to the game outside of those. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, especially right now with so many games I've been looking forward to coming out. But I think especially if COSMIC EXPLORATION and the new field ops are good I'm not gonna look back too fondly on this expac's patch content.
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Mar 6, 2024 22:18
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It's obviously not content for everyone. It's ok to not like everything in the game. Unless you're that Japanese player who got 100% of the achievements They will never ever do this but I think it would be neat if they tied ALL of the optional content for an expansion- the normal and alliance raids, trials, battle zone- together into a single massive sidequest. It would let them tell a much bigger story while still keeping it separate from the msq for the babies who refuse to do optional things FuturePastNow fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Mar 6, 2024 22:18
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I did think briefly how fun it'd be if instead of a Delubrum-like dungeon splitting two halves of the exploratory zone it was the deep dungeon or a variant or something. But then there wouldn't be a multi-alliance savage version 
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Mar 6, 2024 22:34
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They absolutely need to find a way to overhaul the Bozja raids, its crazy that there is basically a whole additional alliance series to do that nobody does because the system is such rear end to form a group to
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Mar 7, 2024 05:41
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I don't know what to tell you guys, but DR is run very often on my server, I can do it two or three times per day if I check PF. Probably a fourth time if I made the Party Finder entry myself.
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Mar 7, 2024 06:04
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Yeah, if you're just trying to hard queue for it, you're in Fate's hands, but if you make a PF for it, you can get a group together really easy in my experience.
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Mar 7, 2024 06:22
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My favorite is when the PL is a huge control freak and checks every party member for the correct essences/actions beforehand and will ragequit if the queue pops early (meaning someone not in the original party was hard-queueing for DR and will be joining us in the instance) because the presence of an additional person will gently caress up the echo and make the run take slightly longer. not an extra 10 min queue longer, mind you lol
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Mar 7, 2024 11:32
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Yeah that's why I don't join PFs for it, they all say to bring the right essences and know what to do, and buddy I have no idea what to do. The one time I did DR it took over an hour. Why yes I did get fifteen timeworn artifacts from PotD and then vowed to never make another ShB relic
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Mar 7, 2024 13:54
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I just buy the irregular essence for the one job I DR with off the marketboard
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Mar 7, 2024 16:01
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FuturePastNow posted:Yeah that's why I don't join PFs for it, they all say to bring the right essences and know what to do, and buddy I have no idea what to do. The one time I did DR it took over an hour. DR also has extremely strong essences that can only be used in DR. These are what you should use if you can afford to buy the fragments from the market board or from Bozjan Clusters. For example, the melee pure essence gives +60% damage and the caster+ranged physical pure essences give +50% damage. There's other good stuff you can do based on what role you're on but +damage essences are the main thing. I don't know how fast an 8 person run with good actions goes, but during ShB a full 24 person group with good essences and such would clear in under 20 minutes. edit: \/ I was trying not to present too much information which might scare someone that isn't familiar with the system  I played a lot of caster so if I wasn't on Flare Star then I was on Elder + Cure 4 (full party Bravery) duty
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Mar 7, 2024 17:01
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The "Pure" DR-only essences also have undocumented extra effects with certain Lost Actions. Like, there's an action that gives you a 55% damage boost for 15 seconds while rapidly draining your HP. With the melee Pure Essence (+60% damage and defence, +80%HP) that boost lasts for 30 seconds and the health drain is reduced to a single HP per tick. Absolutely devastating.
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Mar 7, 2024 17:12
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Do not bring pure defensive essences into DR. Due to Twice Come Ruin, they will not save you. Also, the healer green essence gives you less damage than just chugging an Aetherweaver.
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Mar 7, 2024 18:00
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And people wonder why some people find this system confusing.
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Mar 7, 2024 19:03
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I won't argue that it's not confusing, I just think it's fun
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YggiDee posted:I won't argue that it's not confusing, I just think it's fun Maybe fun for some. But I think it loving sucks. A lot of the pain would be mitigated by allowing these actions to be permanent instead of consumable. But it still only detracts from any potential enjoyment for me.
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