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GloomMouse posted:I still laugh when folks throw out Hyth transmuting butterflies into clothes like it's this chilling proof of the heartlessness of ancients. The WoL has slaughtered their way across the globe because some rando wanted a treat or to give a sweetheart a gift lmao The game actually does write out a general sympathy for the creatures we kill for our own reasons; it's understandably a bit of a thin justification that doesn't come up that often, because it would be really tedious to, but it does come up. I think the most relevant place where it did come up was the ARR and SB Leatherworkers' quests. That's exactly the place that you'd expect to have a relevant opinion here, and it's got a firm empathy for animals that's noticeably absent from Hyth or, really, any non-Hermes person in Elpis.
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LTW lady would be loving thrilled if I could snap my fingers and painlessly turn animals into pants as long as I only use what I need (Actually she'd give me poo poo that I didn't do it nearly as well as I could and need to work harder)
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Cleretic posted:The game actually does write out a general sympathy for the creatures we kill for our own reasons; it's understandably a bit of a thin justification that doesn't come up that often, because it would be really tedious to, but it does come up. Thinking back to the 100's of karakuls I've killed for fleece to make outfits, and the 100's of karakul skins I threw on the ground because they are WORTHLESS.
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Failboattootoot posted:Thinking back to the 100's of karakuls I've killed for fleece to make outfits, and the 100's of karakul skins I threw on the ground because they are WORTHLESS. There’s got to be a better way to get fleece, but how……….
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hopeandjoy posted:There’s got to be a better way to get fleece, but how………. we just don't know, I say, calling up Jandelaine to trim it from shoulder length to a cute bob
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GloomMouse posted:Someone else said it best: Hermes is a "became a vet because he loves animals" guy who doesn't really have the temperament for it  In a society that provided him better support, he might've been better-equipped to deal with the emotions that came from loss and despair, and shared that ability with Meteion. But Ascians as a whole can't even conceive of mental illness as a thing that exists, so they basically tell him to stop being overdramatic and childish, which leaves him spiraling and the overly-empathetic Meteion primed to get so devastated by grief that she can't see any way out except mercy killing the universe. Or to be more glib about it, he made a cool bird to cure his depression, and then the cool bird got depression, too. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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I think the key thing is he made a cool bird to cure his depression and then didn't at all teach her how to handle like...anything.
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Apr 17, 2024 08:55
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you hosed up a perfectly good bird is what you did hermes
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Cleretic posted:Also Amon wasn't really well in the first place. Hardly surprising that he decided to become the joker at that point.
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And then the rest of the Ascians just didn't notice for thousands of years.
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lines posted:And then the rest of the Ascians just didn't notice for thousands of years. Honestly they probably thought manic Fandaniel was an improvement over mopey Fandaniel.
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lines posted:And then the rest of the Ascians just didn't notice for thousands of years. Emet was either hibernating or being his usual oblivious aloof self, only considering his duty. Lahabrea was turning into insane cackling villain under the influence of the Heart and Elidibus' memories were actively erased while he was busy piloting Zodiark on the Moon. Lower-level Ascians were likely either mad with new-found power or were minions following orders, even though they were formally "overlords". Overall I am surprised they managed to function for so long, perhaps they managed it simply thanks to having overwhelming magical powers compared to everyone else.
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Apr 17, 2024 13:21
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I mean Lahabrea loving lobotomized himself after his wife went evil.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean Lahabrea loving lobotomized himself after his wife went evil. She was already evil, megalomaniac and manipulated by an evil alien rock before she even became his wife. I think his judgement of hearts of others was lacking.
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Dwesa posted:She was already evil, megalomaniac and manipulated by an evil alien rock before she even became his wife. I think his judgement of hearts of others was lacking. Also, it's explicit in the text that she was already evil and megalomaniacal before she found the evil alien rock. She would have eventually reached the same conclusions and tried to accomplish the same goals, all the rock did was enhance what was already there so that it happened sooner rather than later.
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Amon: [telling Thordan I that dragon eyes are nutritious AND delicious] Emet-Selch: Ah, he is trying to create circumstances for a calamity. Fandaniel ever was focused on bringing salvation to the star. (Not that we know that Fandaniel was the Ascian who suggested it, but I feel like Mr. Dragon Torment Nexus could be involved.) Or to put it another way: Lahabrea is as much of a mad scientist as Fandaniel and isn’t reading into this, Elidibus has the memory of a sieve, and Emet-Selch is so invested in his self-delusion that he could frame any action as proof uplifted Convocation members are exactly the same as their Ancient selves. I don’t think his fellow Sundered Convocation members cared enough. Fandaniel also explicitly goes “Elidibus is dead?! Then that’s the last of the Unsundered and I’m free to do whatever the gently caress I want!” at the end of 5.3, so he was probably doing at least a little lip service.
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Dwesa posted:She was already evil, megalomaniac and manipulated by an evil alien rock before she even became his wife. I think his judgement of hearts of others was lacking. Wasn't he aware something was wrong with her even before letting her have the run of Pandaemonium and her whole hosed up project or however that went I forget? Like basically if someone finds out their partner is just dissecting neighborhood animals and is like "I think she needs space for her hobbies"
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hopeandjoy posted:Fandaniel also explicitly goes “Elidibus is dead?! Then that’s the last of the Unsundered and I’m free to do whatever the gently caress I want!” at the end of 5.3, so he was probably doing at least a little lip service. Yeah, Fandaniel was fully expecting Elidibus to step in and rein him in if he survived going up against the WoL. Despite the memory issues, Elidibus was still quite capable of doing his job at keeping things in relative control until a Rejoining could be successfully triggered. He just happened to run up against someone who doesn't take no for an answer when it comes to saving the star, and had the backing and explicit help of his old friend. (Remember, we'd have been hosed if it wasn't for Emet giving us the means to get pulled out of where we get teleported to at the end of phase one of SoS.) I'd guess Fandaniel was hedging his bets that Zenos could stand against Elidibus if needed as a backup, but that's not really in the text or anything like that.
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Onean posted:Yeah, Fandaniel was fully expecting Elidibus to step in and rein him in if he survived going up against the WoL. Despite the memory issues, Elidibus was still quite capable of doing his job at keeping things in relative control until a Rejoining could be successfully triggered. He just happened to run up against someone who doesn't take no for an answer when it comes to saving the star, and had the backing and explicit help of his old friend. (Remember, we'd have been hosed if it wasn't for Emet giving us the means to get pulled out of where we get teleported to at the end of phase one of SoS.) Didn't Zenos in a generic Elezen bost wreck Elidibus' poo poo in Zenos' body?
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ImpAtom posted:Didn't Zenos in a generic Elezen bost wreck Elidibus' poo poo in Zenos' body? I mean, you try playing a job you haven't played before or in a long time and see how well you do
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ImpAtom posted:Didn't Zenos in a generic Elezen bost wreck Elidibus' poo poo in Zenos' body? Maybe? It's not clear if Zenos fought Elidibus or Elidibus just fled when he realized Zenos was basically an Ascian.
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hopeandjoy posted:Amon: [telling Thordan I that dragon eyes are nutritious AND delicious] Emet-Selch to other raised convocation members: "The Fandaniel is too humble to say he is the Fandaniel. All the more reason to know that he is! As Written!"
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God Hole posted:Emet-Selch to other raised convocation members: "The Fandaniel is too humble to say he is the Fandaniel. All the more reason to know that he is! As Written!" As it is written!
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ImpAtom posted:Didn't Zenos in a generic Elezen bost wreck Elidibus' poo poo in Zenos' body? Yeah, Elidibus fleeing is what I'm basing that guess on. I don't think it'd be an easy fight for either of them if it came to it, but I think Zenos could ultimately drive Elidibus off to scheme some other way to put a stop to Fandaniel from ruining everything.
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Glagha posted:Wasn't he aware something was wrong with her even before letting her have the run of Pandaemonium and her whole hosed up project or however that went I forget? Like basically if someone finds out their partner is just dissecting neighborhood animals and is like "I think she needs space for her hobbies" Yeah, he became aware of her true nature and then he tried to quarantine her in Panda AND also he tried to forget what he learned. Foolproof plan!
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Dwesa posted:Emet was either hibernating or being his usual oblivious aloof self, only considering his duty. Lahabrea was turning into insane cackling villain under the influence of the Heart and Elidibus' memories were actively erased while he was busy piloting Zodiark on the Moon. Lower-level Ascians were likely either mad with new-found power or were minions following orders, even though they were formally "overlords". Overall I am surprised they managed to function for so long, perhaps they managed it simply thanks to having overwhelming magical powers compared to everyone else.
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Also Mitron and Logriff's massive gently caress up on the First put them into a spot where they needed a light aspected calamity immediately, hence why Lahabrea tried setting up so many and even ended up giving Thordan the weapon of his own destruction.
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Onean posted:Yeah, Elidibus fleeing is what I'm basing that guess on. I don't think it'd be an easy fight for either of them if it came to it, but I think Zenos could ultimately drive Elidibus off to scheme some other way to put a stop to Fandaniel from ruining everything. Alternatively, Fandaniel could just lie to Elidibus and said he tried to stop Zenos but couldn't match him, with the intent to knife Elidibus in the back at the perfect opportunity.
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So some potential peeking at the Dawntrail job updates through Benchmark datamining (as brought up in this Reddit thread):BlackmoreKnight posted:You have to kind of learn the language of all this to read things properly. Unknown skills are new things. Type 3 upgrades are direct replacements of the button. Type 2 upgrades are combo/contextual buttons. Type 8 upgrades are sort of character stance dependent buttons. I'm not sure what Type 1 buttons all do to deserve that classification, maybe require or change some state aspect of your character? aers posted:Some clarification about types. Paladin posted:(type 2 under status unknown[3827]) "Atonement"[16460] -> unknown[36918] -> (type 2 under status unknown[3828]) unknown[36919] Monk posted:(type 3 trait "Steel Peak Mastery"[428]) unknown[36940] -> unknown[36942] -> (type 8) "Steel Peak"[25761] -> (type 8) "the Forbidden Chakra"[3547] Warrior posted:(type 3 trait "Berserk Mastery"[218]) "Berserk"[38] -> "Inner Release"[7389] -> (type 2 under status unknown[3901]) unknown[36924] Dragoon posted:(type 2 under status unknown[3845]) "Dragonfire Dive"[96] -> unknown[36953] Bard posted:(type 3 trait unknown[598]) unknown[36974] -> "Shadowbite"[16494] White Mage posted:(type 2 under status unknown[3879]) "Presence of Mind"[136] -> unknown[37009] Black Mage posted:(type 0) unknown[0] -> unknown[0] Summoner posted:(type 8) "Enkindle Bahamut"[7429] -> "Enkindle Phoenix"[16516] -> (type 8) unknown[36998] Scholar posted:(type 2 under status unknown[3882]) "Chain Stratagem"[7436] -> unknown[37012] Ninja posted:(type 3 trait unknown[585]) "Mug"[2248] -> unknown[36957] Machinist posted:(type 3 trait unknown[603]) "Heat Blast"[7410] -> unknown[36978] Dark Knight posted:(type 3 trait unknown[570]) "Blood Weapon"[3625] -> "Delirium"[7390] Astrologian posted:(type 8) unknown[37017] -> unknown[37018] Samurai posted:(type 3 trait unknown[589]) "Third Eye"[7498] -> unknown[36962] Red Mage posted:(type 8) "Moulinet"[7513] -> "Enchanted Moulinet"[7530] -> (type 10) unknown[37002] Gunbreaker posted:(type 3 trait unknown[574]) "Nebula"[16148] -> unknown[36935] Dancer posted:(type 2 under status unknown[3869]) "Saber Dance"[16005] -> unknown[36985] Reaper posted:(type 2 under status unknown[3858]) "Gibbet"[24382] -> unknown[36970] -> (type 9) "Void Reaping"[24395] Sage posted:(type 8) "Prognosis"[24286] -> "Eukrasian Prognosis"[24292] -> (type 8) unknown[37034] Job 20 (Viper) posted:(type 1) unknown[34606] -> unknown[0] Job 21 (Pictomancer) posted:(type 4) unknown[34650] -> unknown[34651] -> (type 4) unknown[34652] Also, there's a lot of knowledge gaps here, this isn't necessarily all the changes for any job, or even the final changes. It's just where some of this stuff was at the snapshot of the build for the Benchmark. It anybody (aers?) has some additional input or sees mistakes to correct, do let me know, I just wanted a place where most of this was transcribed and broken down into plainer speak. Hogama fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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There's a SolBahamutSize command in the exe so the new demi is, well, SolBahamut. You're pretty much right about the rest, with the caveat that this entire sheet is brand new to the benchmark and didn't exist prior, so their system for action mapping has changed a bit in general. Everything after type 4 has code I didn't want to bother to read. Some PCT notes. The reason some PCT things are type 1 is because the action can swap to more than 3 different actions, and the sheet only supports 3 entries. This is like Ruin->Broil->Broil II->Broil III->Broil IV which can't be repesented in the sheet, however the PCT action swaps aren't trait upgrades, but conditional identical to type 4. The full PCT "abiltiies that replace other abilities" kit is: base action 34650, button can become 34651 or 34652 base action 34653, button can become 34654 or 34655 base action 34656, button can become 34657 or 34658 base action 34659, button can become 34660 or 34661 base action 34662, button can become 34663 base action 34689, button can become 34664 or 34665 or 34666 or 34667 base action 34690, button can become 34668 base action 34691, button can become 34669 base action 35347, button can become 34670 or 34671 or 34672 or 34673 or (34676 or 34677 when a further extra condition tracked by the gauge is met) base action 35348, button can become 34674 base action 35349, button can become 34675 or 34681 base action 34676, button can become 34677 base action 34678, button can become 34679 or 34680 base action 34685, button becomes 34686 under status 3686 which is 14 actions that all have secondary actions. some will be single target, some will be aoe, some will be removed before launch. in a different build of the game 6 of these buttons were merged into 3, they might re-merge. this is not the entire kit either, since any button that doesn't become another button isn't in this table. Also its possible some of these are trait upgrade actions programmed a different way but it seems unlikely.
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I cannot believe Golden Fuckin' Bahamut is going to be real
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Blockhouse posted:I cannot believe Golden Fuckin' Bahamut is going to be real At least if that's what happens, then that one guy I've seen who's working on an Alexander-themed summoner already knows what he's doing for the Dawntrail version.
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Blockhouse posted:I cannot believe Golden Fuckin' Bahamut is going to be real At level 100, Summoners learn the great secret of Tural during the Calamity: they saw Bahamut over the eastern horizon and he looked fukken awesome, just completely sick, here's how to make your egi look that rad
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Sol Bahamutguy
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it would be a lot funnier if I could summon Egi-Hydaelyn now
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FuturePastNow posted:it would be a lot funnier if I could summon Egi-Hydaelyn now WHM should upgrade Glare III to Stone V, which shoots Mothercrystals.
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Blockhouse posted:I cannot believe Golden Fuckin' Bahamut is going to be real My pet theory is that "Sol" in SolBahamut is somehow related to Azem/Sun Also SMN artifact gear is cool and I already like it and maybe Sol/sun Bahamut is ALSO somehow related to Inca mythology. Dwesa fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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I am going to theorize that SolBahamut ends up being a Bahamut/Phoenix Fusion egi that you build up to. This'd pay off both the Ifrit/Garuda fusion from Eden and a similar fusion they did in FFXVI
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We had Lunar Bahamut, why not a Solar Bahamut. Afterall the Allagans stuffed him in Dalamud to function as a power amplifier/regulator for the artificial moon’s solar aether collection.
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It's actually called that because it's a Bahamut on loan to you from Master Gegeruju and is entirely unrelated to the sun.
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