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The dude literally stands over a burning trashcan and mutters, "...smells like Tulsa..." and people here are still saying they can't figure out why he acts like he does. This show is amazing as gently caress, and has been pretty good about not looking away from the hosed up things ALL people did and still do. It keeps getting repeated here, and in The Root's analysis of the episodes that the real monster is the way we transfer our own oppression onto people below us. If you are shocked that Tic's all black unit was cruel and violent to people they could act out that violence on, then you haven't been paying attention to what the show is repeating over and over.
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China and Korea actually do have their own variations of the nine-tailed fox. I actually stopped the video to look up what creature they were referring to and laughed when wikipedia showed it was a nine-tailed fox. This is by far the weirdest Naruto fan film I've seen in awhile  .
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There is a lot to unpack in this episode (it was easily the best so far), but goddamn was it a love letter to black women everywhere. It had the N’Nonmiton (Dahomey Amazons), Bessie Stringfield, a subtle nod to hidden figures, and basically George having to unpack his toxic masculinity and how it is used even today to "shrink" black women into tiny boxes. What an episode. EDIT: Also, the kid asking, "When in Bobo coming back". Bobo was Emmett Till's nickname. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 08:14
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This is absolutely a show about black characters for a BLACK audience, jesus christ. Half the reason posters in this thread got uncomfortable after the first episode is because the writers blew right past the typical "racism is bad, just like a monster!" that white audiences were used to and started getting into some real dark poo poo that exists within the black community and where race intersects with gender, and sexual orientation. I mean, the writers are on Twitter explaining what they were doing with each episode, it's not that hard to dig up. Jordan Peele is pretty loving explicit when he is being interviewed by black publications about what his stories mean. He literally point-blank said that Get Out was about the bullshit post-racial performative crap white people pulled during the Obama years, and even joked that white people were going to rave about the movie while missing the loving point. The first episode of this series is basically "racism that white people are comfortable with". It's coded as being far away, in a different time and place, in a way that white people can shake their heads at and compliment the writers on being clever by comparing it to Lovecraftian horror. It even has Uncle George, a survivor of The Tulsa Race massacre, who despite living in such lovely times is inoffensive and nonviolent and takes everything in stride. White people are comfortable with that because it reassures them that great violence is not in their future should the people they've grounded under their heels for centuries actually gain a semblance of power and exact horrible revenge. Then the writers kill him off and are like "Nope!" Black people are human beings and humans living under these conditions are like Montrose, or Ruby, or Tic. They are hosed up from their trauma, they hurt others, are prone to violence, they strike out where and when they can out of frustration. And then they circle back and point out that even George's comfortable head-of-household attitude was toxic and restrictive to his much more intelligent wife. It's a show absolutely for black people, so just sit along for the ride and try to learn something.
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Oct 2, 2020 01:23
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So in case you wanted to know the theme of this episode (and why they choose to use Naomi Wadler's speech from "March for Our Lives" as part of the soundtrack), it was Dee is essentially going through HELL, her whole family is too wrapped up in their own story-lines to notice her, or hear her, or help her...which is representative of so many black girls and how communities loose sight of them.
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Another thing. The cops stole Dee's ability to speak with her voice about what was happening to her, so instead she is drawing it out for everyone to see at the end. Looking at the writers' twitter feeds, they intentionally choose not to recreate the violence committed upon Emitt's body onto a black actor (because the real photos of that violence already exist) but instead had it committed upon a white actress just in case there are still people who are not getting the point of this show. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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Oct 5, 2020 08:35
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Just as a quick aside, Christina actually turned off her invulnerability during that beating, which was why those guys could even touch her. She manages to activate it again after getting dunked in the water, but for a brief moment there she could have actually died. I'm still trying to understand what she was doing in that scene, but I just wanted to point out that she didn't have complete control and if she had gotten knocked out or otherwise been unable to speak then she could have actually died.
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Oct 5, 2020 23:37
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This episode's theme was very much about how men let their trauma and toxic masculinity get in the way of just talking to each other. Tic has a lot of reasons to hate Montrose and basically won't let those go, so he can't really see his father and the pain that he too is going through. In the same way, Montrose refuses to break his hyper-masculine attitude long enough to show his hurt to his son. It all comes together in that alley when Montrose finally cries and admits that he is a gay man that still loved Tic's mom and loves Tic too. And then Atticus goes out with that bat and looks directly at young Montrose and says, "I got you kid." basically showing that he finally forgives his father and willing to see him as the scared human that he is. It's loving beautiful. EDIT: Someone on Twitter pointed out that these guys managed to travel back in time and not gently caress-up the timeline one bit. The Tuskegee Airmen of time traveling.
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A lot of explanations were in those brief flashback shots, but yes they were blink and you will miss it shots: - Tic bound his monster to Dee for her protection. It shows him with her touching her hand to the monster. - Christina (who actually loved Ruby) was bound by her promise not to harm Leti, so she put the Mark of Cain back on her before she hit the ground. - Atticus knew his own death was not a choice, and planned for that moment with FAITH that his family would pull through for him Also, Holy poo poo, I didn't see the twist that they shut magic off to all white people coming, but it's absolutely wonderful and a great twist on the idea of white wizards doing their spooky poo poo. Magic is literally "COLORED ONLY" Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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Oct 19, 2020 06:58
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It took until last night, but they finally revealed what Christina was supposed to represent in the show. I've had some real trouble nailing down what they were trying to say with her character as she starts out moderately sympathetic by saving Tic three times and having a completely reasonable issue with being disregarded due to her sex, only to become the villain by the end. Then that scene in the family garage when she asks for the book revealed what the writers were saying she was. Christina is White Feminists. She shows up in that garage and basically says, "I'm not racist, I'm not out to get you out of malice, I need to murder you because it's a necessary component of immortality, which really is the least I deserve after daddy wouldn't let me into his all boys club." She absolutely is a critique of White Women Feminists from the POV of black people. Her affection for Ruby that only works as long as she still has control, her shallow dabbling in trying to understand the violence committed against Till, her only drive being her own exclusion from the halls of power while showing little empathy towards other oppressed groups. It's all there.
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"He knew telling a story was a kind of power but he also knew it wasn't enough. If they were ever going to truly disrupt the hierarchy of warlocks they would have to spill blood other than their own."Madurai posted:I'm not really comfortable with Diana's part in this being to kill a powerless and defeated enemy, for a couple of reasons, no matter how cool her cyborg arm was. It was presented as this big "gently caress YEAH" comeuppance moment, but it sure didn't feel like it. "They still haven't learned" Okay, I'll stop being snarky. A white person is never a powerless and defeated enemy if you're black. Even without their magic they can do great harm. It didn't take any magic to kill Emmett Till, and then let his killers go scot free.
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Oct 19, 2020 17:36
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So, something fun was that The Book of Names was never something white people had in the first place. Episode 4 essentially says that Titus found the book on one of his colonial expeditions, and likely stole it from a native population. Then he translated it by kidnapping another Native woman and forcing her to decode it for him. Then he used that magic to enrich his own life at the sacrifice of other lives, a tradition carried on by future generations of his order. Meanwhile, Hannah's family instead used the book to craft a single spell, passing it from black matriarch to black matriarch across almost 200 years, with each person willing knowing that they would never see the benefit of their work. And that spell is finally completed by a man willingly sacrificing himself to protect others. That's why the magic in the book wasn't evil to that family, because the intent of their Black Magic was always one of sacrificing oneself for the next generation, and ultimately that's a much more powerful spell than the short-sighted and greedy tantrums of the assorted white wizards that came before. EDIT: I love that after 10 episodes of this, people still don't understand why Dee did what she did. A cool robot arm does not erase the trauma of a history of violence. A cool robot arm doesn't bring Emmett back, or put his killers in jail. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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anothergod posted:Can you explain it to me? The way I see it Dee herself had no reason to murder Christina. She never interacted with her, Christina helped her as much as she could, Christina wasn't going to hurt Dee herself, and as far as I could tell, Dee had no idea what transpired to put Christina in that predicament. The adults clearly left her there, so it's clear that it was their choice to keep her alive. Holy poo poo dude. Dee has a literal robot arm because two white wizards/cops cursed her in order to interrogate her on the same day of a funeral of her childhood friend who was lynched and brutally beaten and tortured based on dubious claims from a white woman. And those killers were set free by an all white jury of men. Dee is only standing there because her family was there to stop a ritual being carried out by a white sorceress who killed her older cousin (brother?!), but "No hard feelings kid, it's just what needed to be done." But yeah, Dee had NO reason to want to kill Christina. Christina definitely was totally a benevolent force in her life. No harm intended at all. EDIT: All of the characters in this show are fully realized humans, but they're also stand-ins for different aspects of race culture in America. Dee is the representative of the unrealized potential of the black youth (and young black girls specifically) being brutalized before it can even begin to flourish. Christina, as I said earlier, is supposed to be White Women Feminists, who are tentative allies only when it suits them and are happy to pull up the ladder behind themselves when the going gets tough. Christina having the gall to ask for Dee's help once she was put into a position of weakness for the first time in the whole series has a lot of meaning, and so does Dee crushing her throat in response. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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The question you should ask is why is the onus always on black people to be the ones that show forgiveness in the face of generational violence?
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Someone on Twitter just pointed out that in comic books Hippolyta is the mother and maker of Diana (aka Wonder Woman). Dee's full name is Diana Freeman. Also this: https://twitter.com/darbieworld/status/1318577187512061955
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Halloween Jack posted:She isn't even White Feminism, just some rich white lady. Nah, if she was just a rich white lady then that subplot with Ruby would not have the type of symbolism that it had. Christina is absolutely a stand-in for criticisms of White Woman Feminism from the point of view of African Americans. The general idea that white women have a (rightful) issue with how they are treated by the patriarchy, and will ally with other oppressed groups in the interest of overthrowing that patriarchy, but will often discount or talk over the issues that those other oppressed groups attempt to bring into the movement (on a side note, this criticism also works for many leftist groups that become dominated by white progressives who become laser focused on class issues over race issues). Ruby's emotional monologue in episode 8, where she essentially says that Christina can never feel or truly understand what she feels because Christina has never lived under the constant onslaught of fear, outrage, and despair that Ruby has lived under is essentially a page right out of the argument that feminist movements should be led by women of color while white women use their inherent privileged to help WOC achieve the goals that they choose to focus on. The idea is that white women CAN be allies, but they can never have the lived experience of WOC, so even with their best intentions they can never really tackle those issues if they are left to lead the movement. Christina also represents another issue with white feminists in that they either consciously or unconsciously are unable to surrender the privilege that they DO have. Christina is a powerful shape-changing wizard. In response to Ruby's speech, she had the power to turn herself into a black woman, so that she COULD experience that constant sense of fear that Ruby is trying to articulate. But she won't, and we all know that she won't, because she understands that her whiteness provides her with a safe-house that she can always go back to if the going gets too tough. I was reading a great article about a month ago, where they showed that many whites had stopped showing up to the BLM protests around the country in comparison to how many were showing up early on. The privilege of whiteness is that you can stop protesting when you feel like it, something POC cannot afford to do. White people all carry a form of Christina's "Mark of Cain", being able to dabble in danger with the knowledge that they can always turn it back on when it gets too scary. None of this stuff is theoretical either. 2018 in California a Women's March was cancelled because the organizer looked around her and realized that all the other organizers were white...in a state with a gigantic non-white population. The national level Women's March that year also experienced issues as some organizers accused other organizers of antisemitism due to their connections to the Nation of Islam (antisemitism is frequently used as a cudgel against feminists of color because most of the time it is focused on black Muslim women, and other WOC who are Muslim). Last year, during the Democratic Primary, 3 prominent Democratic superstars (all non-white) sat on a stage and said that it was okay to BOO Hillary Clinton, and they were again, attacked by white feminists for not showing feminine solidarity with Clinton. Never mind that those women had a pretty good reason why they felt Clinton should be open to criticism, that was not considered relevant in the current (white woman) dominant discourse. Sorry for the long post. Christina, to me, seems like a really obvious example of the issues with white women feminists that are often brought up by feminists of color. EDIT: This is also why Christina is not a "villain" for most of the season. Because, compared to the white male patriarchy (A lodge of wizards) or the constant violence from law enforcement (also a lodge of violent wizards), a bunch of semi-detached white women come off as not being a major threat and even sometimes allies against those other forces. It's only when you remove those forces that you realize that these ladies don't really have any interest in helping you out either. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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