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This first episode was good I hope they keep it up. I'm glad this wasn't slow burn. Insidious cult stories are a dime a dozen and Atticus jumping straight into the poo poo makes this feel like a more serious version of Ash vs the Evil Dead.
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hamsystem posted:In hindsight the monsters showing up and eating all the cops was pretty cathartic since in real life they, you know, rarely face any serious consequences for their horrible racist actions. It's neat that that statement could apply to cops back then right up to cops of today. Them getting pulled out to the woods for a lynching after fleeing from another lynching was scary as gently caress. The monster rescue made you cheer for the monsters and feel less danger when they showed up.
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Aug 20, 2020 05:32
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qirex posted:I’m less stoked that, like almost every other drat genre franchise, the main characters are only relevant because of their parentage. Yeah hero stories are trite with the predestination plot lines. Star Wars went both ways with it and pissed off all their fans so go figure.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:44
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I like the schlock. If they took it too serious I'd eye roll and if they made it slower I bet the show would be boring. This feels like a weird mix between Ryan Murphy schlock and Sam Raimi. The guy playing Atticus is really good too so it's fun to see him matched up against all the lovely no namers they had to cast due to the budget. Keeps you in the moment more.
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Aug 25, 2020 02:19
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Yeah when you make a hot button topic too heavy I feel like a lot of people eye roll. Not just the audience you're trying to reach but the audience you've already reached too. I just want a good ol fashioned kill racist old cops beat em up.
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Aug 25, 2020 18:09
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I feel like Ep2 was way more bloated than Ep1. Ep1 was character development which is why you had the unnecessary scenes of Letitia and her duet with her sister. Had to establish that Letitia was accused of abandoning people and is now trying to make up for that which is why she's sticking hard to Atticus. Episode 2 had so much information to cram in to get to the point that they're in danger from more than just the monsters. Had to do exposition dumps for the sorcery, for the order of dagon, for Atticus' birth reveal, and they had to finally introduce his dad. I personally think they spent too much time on the moving on up scenes and the order being insidious rather than just having them come out as evil right away. The whole vibe of the episode made it feel like the three heroes were running for months before finally finding respite when it was literally just like a couple days between leaving their home and the monster attack. Just didn't make too much sense.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:29
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GimpInBlack posted:The one that stood out most awkwardly to me was that early on in the episode, William told our heroes about the fire that consumed the original lodge. And then, much later in the episode, as the characters are running back through the woods, with neither the lodge nor the fire being mentioned, Uncle George just stops dead and says "hey, I just remembered something about one of your mom's ancestors escaping during a big fire, maybe that's related" or something to that effect. Felt really oddly placed. Yeah exactly it was just crammed in there. I think it'd be better if they would have discovered in looking through the lodge but again it feels like the whole episode was rushed and crammed. I hope it's not a trend because rushing exposition is the first sign of bad writing. It usually doesn't get better from there.
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Aug 28, 2020 23:37
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Good episode and yet again the racism stuff is scarier than the horror stuff.
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Sep 1, 2020 00:41
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Sleeveless posted:This episode was Lovecraftian in the sense that Sharknado is a Spielbergian film because it has a shark in it. Lovecraft wasn't just cosmic horror but I get what you're saying. You want chanting townsfolk and scary elder gods. I always thought Lovecraft was hard to bring to visual media because the bulk of his stories are descriptive. A bunch of pages describing antediluvian ruins or horrific monsters gets replaced by three seconds of screen time. Many works involve pondering or self reflection too, so there isn't much action besides characters going slowly insane. That's why I was afraid that this show would be super slow. They're obviously going for a pulp fiction now which I'm sure Lovecraft would be all on board for (except racism being portrayed in a negative light, he'd hate that)
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Sep 2, 2020 05:16
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The sorceress can't act at all like even a little bit and it's the most jarring thing about this show
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Sep 5, 2020 19:54
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Also I know they're going for Period Appropriate but the homophobia this episode was not cool. I forget the exact lines but it was like Because believe it or not the world was different back then. You seem to keep coming to this thread to get offended too.
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Sep 7, 2020 21:08
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Uh... not all black men in the 1950s were homophobic. It was a specific choice (by a white man, in 2016) to make him one. Homophobia and transphobia is rampant in the community just like it's rampant in other communities. Being black doesn't mean Atticus is a flawless character, same with his friends.
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Sep 7, 2020 21:59
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That doesn't make it any better or worse. You literally were just mad that it presents homophobia in a positive light and is dangerous media but because you learned it's a black woman it's okay. In the end you're missing the point that it was a reflection on how people would act and behave in the time period.
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Sep 7, 2020 22:41
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Weird episode I'm not sure if it was good commentary or hamfisted commentary or what. All the sex scenes including the 'sex' scene at the end went on too long. The sound track is terrible. Bad rap and constant songs into songs. The foley its terrific though. They make all the shock scenes so much more shocking.
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Sep 15, 2020 04:31
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mary had a little clam posted:One actually pertinent criticism I have though is the climax of the Davenport saga: I felt like they played the rape of a male for "poetic justice" which, yeah the guy is a racist creep and probably a rapist himself, but rape as justice doesn't sit well with me. Unless we're not meant to think she was sodomizing the manager with a shoe, but that's how I parsed it. It's exactly what they did and it was misguided justice porn. Would have had more impact on the character and situation if she didn't focus on stabbing one area in particular.
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Sep 15, 2020 05:46
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It's because Montrose is a bad person and no one cares about a bad person's personal life whether he's gay or not. I'm not talking bad person as in like he's an rear end in a top hat or does mean things I mean like he just merc'd a lady the last episode who was supposedly working against evil and he's obviously working for evil.Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Should have force fed him the potion, imo Would have been good, would have been
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Sep 15, 2020 18:49
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Amazing shows are built around bad, compelling, characters. Montrose is bad and boring and drags down the other characters who continue to associate with them. He's definitely a drag (no pun intended). I hate it when shows put a character in that just drags down the plot and makes it about them because they're just so awful and lovely. It's like the brother in season 3 of Ozark. Montrose is obviously shook from some cult stuff so you can't quite make him a stronger character. He's just stuck as the drag.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:37
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Fwiw the only people who seem hung up on the Yahima/Montrose stuff is this thread. Reddit and twitter seem much, much more about race topics. Objectively Yahima is a throwaway character and Montrose being gay was more hamfisted than anything. Yahima being transgendered didn't matter as much as Yahima being a boring Native American soothsaying character. Montrose being gay didn't matter as much as the character being a lovely evil bummer that no one cares about his personal life. I think the worst you can say is that the showrunners naively used being a closeted homosexual then coming out in public as a redemption arc. They saw it as a positive thing while LGBT viewers were like ugh wtf is this poo poo again. Same goes with anyone with a brain disliking anal rape as a revenge plot line, especially violent anal rape that probably resulted in weird sepsis and death. In the end it's a pulp show with pulpy poo poo and if you get put off by the LGBT relations you might as well get put off by the race relations too, which is the whole crux of the show. Pulp isn't exactly the best place to fight for oppressed minority groups and will most often result in wtf is this poo poo moments. If you can't enjoy it now I doubt you'll enjoy it for the rest of the show either. What is nice is there's several times where I look up stuff I had no idea about with black history and got more informed. If that's the goal of the showrunners then they achieved that at least.
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Sep 19, 2020 05:58
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Your post is indeed dumb. Not sure of its relation to mine though? No your posts are exceedingly dumb and most of the people in the thread have told you that already. Anyway this last episode ruled and it made me kind of wish that the entire show was anthology vignette based instead of an over arching story. I kind of wanted to watch a story about the demon girl instead of how she related to Atticus. It'd also allow the show to jump around for different social injustice time periods than just the 50s.
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Sep 21, 2020 21:57
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Moltke posted:I'm still enjoying the show a lot. The action/fantasy/lovecraftian horror bits are fun and intriguing, while the true horror is the racism playing out in what would otherwise feel almost like an Indiana Jones series. Even a literal demon ended up being a more relatable character than Sherriff Hunt. Yeah I keep saying that's both the best and worst problem with the show. The lovecraft stuff legitimately isn't nearly as scary as the racist stuff. Just the checkpoint/communist scene in this episode alone was more frightening than anything since the Sundown Town in episode 1. GoGoGadgetChris posted:Pissing contests reflect poorly on all involved, friend. Just slam that Ignore button and move on No one's doing a pissing contest they're all just pointing out that you're dumb. Atticus isn't getting away with bigotry, he's a flawed character with a messed up upbringing. You can't separate that fact and it seems like a weird personality issue at this point.
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Sep 21, 2020 23:23
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Yea so far Tic, Montrose, Leti, and Ruby are all flawed characters. Tics prone to anger and is a war criminal. Montrose beat his kid and is most likely insane from dealing with occult stuff. Ruby did the whole violent anal rape thing. Leti keeps getting accused of abandoning people but so far she's arguably the most classically 'good' out of all the leads. Flawed characters is a great tool to achieve relatable motivations to the audience. Montrose was a man of his day. Not everyone beat their kids back then but many did. His harsh upbringing of Tic drove a wedge between their characters that shows up in the dialogue. Him being a big bummer drag is because the writers are showing the effects of going slowly mad from occult dealings. Tic resorts to violence as a mean to an end because of his upbringing. A man prone to anger out in the Korean war probably won't think rationally around potential spies, especially when there are others like him in the unit. Ruby being full on revenge porn makes sense because she's constantly oppressed. She sees what it's like to live on the other side, objectively sees that her competition for the one job at a department store isn't nearly as good as she is, and then sees the oppression that would happen to her if she even got the job in the first place. She takes out all her anger and frustration on a dude's butthole. Was it right? No, but it was believable. All this stuff opens up new paths for writers to go down. Way better than stodgy good characters or characters that are just plain evil for evils sake.
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Sep 22, 2020 06:55
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JazzFlight posted:Uh, I think it was showing flashbacks, then showing his future, where he then slept with women (may even have been a shot of Leti). I don’t think he was lying about the virgin thing. They really didn't ruin him. They might have ruined him for you, but you seem to be unwilling to accept a flawed character. You don't have to cheer for Tic. You don't even have to feel bad for him. The point of his character is you have to understand him and the reasons he does his actions in the story. It's really bizarre how much people reject a flawed character, especially a realistically flawed one. It's like none of these people ever talked to someone from the 50's before. Chances are if youre over the age of 70 you're probably a little bit racist, homophobic, violent, etc.
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Sep 22, 2020 17:34
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ex post facho posted:uh, in this shows setting, the Geneva conventions were expanded just a year or so before the start of the Korean war, fresh from the lessons if Nuremberg, so if anything Tic would have had humane treatment of prisoners drilled into his head and that "just following orders" would still get him at the end of a noose for the very thing he just did. There were war crimes all over Korea, Vietnam, and Arabia. The Nogeun-ri massacre was a whole regiment of Americans firing on a bunch of civilians trying to hide beneath a bridge. This is pretty close minded thinking.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:02
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ex post facho posted:yes expecting a soldier who executed multiple civilians in broad daylight around many other witnesses to express some hesitation at the action or face even some questioning about it is the same as expecting him to be "arrested by spiderman", hmmry indeed South Korean government estimated 500 civilians lost to war crimes by the US Army during the Korean War. You're terribly misinformed and sheltered.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:52
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Mulva posted:.....that's it? It's estimated war crimes performed by US Soldiers on South Korean citizens. If people admonish Tic for killing North Koreans then they don't really know what the communists did to American POWs . The actual war crime total of that war was way higher when you combine what both sides did to each other. The point is the Geneva convention did poo poo all to stop people from torturing/killing POWs and it's totally within the realm of possibility that Tic dehumanized his enemies.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:35
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Bismuth posted:Is it possible to kill racists in cold blood? If you know they're racists I mean, not like accidentally driving a semi through a klan meeting (which would be amazing imo) Honestly gently caress the rest of these conversations I just want to see Tic drive a semi through a klan meeting
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Sep 23, 2020 17:37
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Nestharken posted:I keep getting major Hereditary vibes from this show when (vague but spoiled just in case) the spooky scary supernatural elements appear and thankfully deflate some of the tension of the real-world horror that we've been watching up to that point. Except this show has moments of horror while Hereditary was a boring piece of poo poo movie made by a hack director
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Sep 24, 2020 17:13
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I really like the part where everyone cried constantly and nothing happened an hour and 45 minutes after the kids head unrealistically popped off because the mom forced her 18 year old kid to take a 13 year old kid to a high school party where they were making a walnut (?) cake that a girl with nut allergies ate knowing full well she has nut allergies and also the girl was only in the movie in the first place because the hack director saw an ugly girl and wanted to exploit her because she had like 5 lines of dialogue and made a creepy noise. Toni Collette deserves an Oscar for screaming and crying for two hours while playing the most unlikeable character among other unlikeable, unbelievably stupid characters. The best part is how all these unrealistic, stupid choices were validated by a throwaway line at the end that a ~cult made them do it~
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Sep 24, 2020 17:25
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I've watched literally every horror movie you can think of and my posting in this subforum would show I pretty much predominately stick to horror. No, I don't like Insidious the Jump Scare franchise or Conjuring's look at our scary monster. Liking those movies isn't bad either since there's multiple types of horror fans. What I'm saying is that Ari Aster is a hack that doesn't know how to shoot or direct actors. His films are full of shot reverse shot with random camera pannings that don't make any sense. Like when they were driving to the compound in Midsommar he just flipped the camera over and went down the road. If that's supposed to show the main character's world turning upside down then it's hamfisted. If not it's just a stupid shot. That's ignoring that literally every one of his characters just cry the entire film. It's eliciting a fake emotion from the audience. The writing is blisteringly stupid full of unbelievably, unrealistic, stupid characters. A guy literally pisses on the sacred tree in Midsommar 5 feet away from people worshipping it then goes into the forest with a random girl seducing him. I'm bringing up Midsommar because I already covered how stupid Hereditary's characters were throughout the entire long, plodding film. If you want an emotional engagement arthouse film through horror go watch the VVitch or Resolution/The Endless. Ari Aster is a hack.
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Sep 24, 2020 17:38
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TheBizzness posted:I could seriously accept almost all those arguments even if I disagree with them, but he can’t shoot? They're not and you like a hack but that's okay if people don't agree with my perception on Ari Aster films. I just want to get it out there that the thing you like is actually bad.
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Sep 24, 2020 21:44
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Nice burn fella the movies still suck
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Sep 24, 2020 22:11
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veni veni veni posted:Some random smug butthole on the internet says they suck, pack it up guys. I dislike the movies and you do a personal attack very nice
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Sep 25, 2020 00:16
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veni veni veni posted:If you want to act like a smug butthole it's fine, but at least own it. You called me a neckbeard then a smug butthole I dunno man TheBizzness posted:I said right in the very post I don’t even like Midsommar, for heavens sake fella. I think that's got to do more with the location than the camera work. He does these long panning shots of people walking and talking to the point where you can point out dolly tracks the editors missed. There's also a ton of establishing shots like of the village, the mountain range, and the cliff the old people jumped off of which aren't exactly hard to do. If anything Hereditary was shot better than Midsommar even though it's packed with old tropes like zoom ins to represent characters feeling closed in or long shots with crowd noise in the front but a character focused on in the back. Really all of this takes a back seat to both movies being full of characters that are so unbelievably unlikeable or stupid or both navigating down a plot like that needs leaps of stupidity in order to progress. It takes away the empathy you feel for characters in horror stories which takes away the fear. I empathize with Tic, Leti, and Ruby because they're not blisteringly stupid. This makes the racism scenes that much more full of dread. You worry about them going through a sun down town or Ruby's potion wearing off early because you put yourself in their shoes because they're still likeable despite their bad pasts. I felt nothing for the boyfriend in the bear suit or Toni Collette slicing her own head off because the characters were total assholes with no redeeming features. I didn't care about the kid who pissed on the sacred tree because he was obnoxious to the hosts and their culture, plus he was a total loving idiot. Who pisses on a tree people are actively spreading ashes over especially when they're five loving feet away from you?
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Sep 25, 2020 02:09
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The anal rape thing was weird I dunno what they could have done to show Ruby breaking but the anal rape thing was weird
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What a fantastically trippy episode. I like how it took Hippolyta a week montage to be great at everything.Xealot posted:"This director many people like is actually a hack. It can't possibly be that art is subjective and I simply don't connect with the style or themes present in his movies. I am the sole arbiter of quality and have decreed that anyone who disagrees is actually a Reptilian with a bad brain, because the alternative would be that my feelings aren't facts and THAT is inconceivable!" Oh get the gently caress over yourself people are allowed to not like directors and call them hacks. Why should I have to pander to you wanting to play the middle ground of 'well some people like this' poo poo? He's a hack. He uses death and loss as emotional dribble in crappy stories that he wrote and directed. If a lot of people like him then who the gently caress cares, they like a hack in my opinion. Edit: Lanthimos is a hack too
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Sep 29, 2020 04:56
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JazzFlight posted:Still was super dumb that the men attacking them didn't shoot, they just charged them with swords. She was given reality bending powers by some sort of super being. She was fulfilling fantasies with it to show the audience that she'd sacrifice unlimited power to achieve every desire she has to go back to lovely 1950s America to help herself/loved ones.
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Sep 30, 2020 17:00
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Tic ain't rationalizing it like that and he's definitely acting like a man from his day. He's pissed that his dad 1) is a hypocrite and 2) didnt actually care about him. If it's not in the books then bravo to the showrunners because Tic seems like the most realistic character on TV. You don't have to cheer for him but all his motivations make perfect sense.
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davidspackage posted:I love what Jonathan Majors does as Tic. Very physical expressions of love and anger issues, in both his face and movements. Yeah he's an awesome actor even if he emotes a bit. I've really been enjoying Ruby too she gets super into the anger. I kinda wished the Hippolyta episode was the Ruby episode instead.
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Hey fella a lot of us are making that post it's just that one guy who keeps melting down because the show isn't putting the main characters in pedestals
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Ruby's actress owns. Wunmi Mosaku, never heard of her before this
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