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Holy poo poo what's wrong with this people. Like, what is balance. I played a game with the red panda, to do like I said before, trying to do a missile build and I couldn't. The stupid mech would insta kill everything! and it never was killed! I thought you would be able to summon it with your ability for x seconds, but no, it's basically permanent and the primary skill button serves to change stances. Do you know how with the 3 ascensions to pick up, sometimes you can't pick up a talent from the tree you want, right? That happened to me so even if I didn't want, I ended with a single health upgrade for the mech and the 'now the mech can fire missiles too' talent full upgraded. That was enough to trivialize the game. It played by itself. They can lower the mech health by 30% and the damage by 66% (ie, three times less than now!) and it still would be a great ability.
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I don't understand the card-based character at all. Even the ascensions hurt my brain. I do know that the secondary skill is like the talisman's alternate attack except it does decent damage instead of elemental effects. It may be because I was using the flying spikes, which also involve pointing at enemies until they die, but I think a skill-only run might be viable. And I don't even know what's going on with the primary skill.
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Jun 1, 2023 21:32
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After one run, I think it's something like this: He starts with 4 "slots", the black boxes at the bottom middle of the screen. Various effects fill them with "astroaspects", and they determine the strength of his primary skill. Each astroaspect has a rarity, normal, rare, legendary, or cursed. If all your slots are filled with the same rarity, then you have an "astrohouse" of that rarity and his primary skill is stronger. Cursed rarity is wild. If rarities are mixed, then you have an "impure astrohouse" and the skill is not stronger. If you look at the occult scroll screen while playing him, you can see the odds of each rarity being drawn whenever you fill a slot randomly. The odds are based on the rarity of the scrolls you own. There are also buttons that let you choose to slightly weight the odds in a way I don't fully understand. When using his secondary skill, a slot is filled randomly (and also it makes homing cards that attack enemies). Upon using his primary skill, all empty slots are filled randomly before it fires. Various ascensions interact with the slots, e.g. give you non-random slot fills, or automatically reroll slots when you get an impure astrohouse. Also on the occult scroll screen, you can reroll scrolls once his first talent is obtained. You get rerolls whenever getting ascensions (i.e. golden goblets). Rerolls always result in a scroll of equal or greater rarity. I often got higher rarity, so rerolling seems like it could be ridiculously strong. I never saw the option to upgrade that the talent mentions, maybe that was bugged? The colored meter near the bottom of the screen seems like it's somehow indicating the odds of getting an astrohouse if you cast your primary skill, but it might not take ascensions into account. I might be misinterpreting some things but hopefully this is enough to make some sense of the big text boxes on his ascensions.
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Jun 1, 2023 22:01
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Come one guys, it can't be that complicated! Let me try it for the first time...        Current probabilities? Upgrade times? Resets? And that bar below the primary skill indicator? ...forget what I said.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:02
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As a heads up, someone is speedrunning Gunfire Reborn tonight at Summer Games Done Quick. The category is "Qing Yan - Full Game - Reincarnation 1". There's currently an incentive goal to bump it up to Reincarnation 8. I'm not familiar with the particular runner, but it'll probably be a fun watch.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:09
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it's honestly kind of dumb because it *isn't* that complicated, and the payoff isn't worth all the badly translated text throw cards, use primary occasionally, that's it
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Jun 1, 2023 23:13
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I'm now thinking that the "upgrades" the talent mentions actually interact with the weighting options on the occult scroll screen. Like one upgrade lets you treat a normal scroll as a rare scroll or a rare one as a legendary for the purpose of weighting rarities. The buttons let you decide how to assign the upgrades as a batch, so you don't have to micromanage which scrolls get upgraded. It is way more moving pieces than it ever needed to be, and definitely not worth worrying about in combat. Just press E.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:20
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holy poo poo lmaowl. Owl is bolded captial Busted. You don't even need weapons, activate some of your goddamn homing trap cards. More like Yugi-Owl. Also the brick is amazingly satisfying. 
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Jun 2, 2023 00:39
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Why Owl is Busted: You have homing cards that do a shitload of damage and their build just lets you fire infinite amounts of them for almost no cost. You have a talent that means you are 20% more likely to get level 2+ ascensions to show up meaning you will hit your build sooner than later. Occult scroll chest not give you want you want? You get to reroll any occult scroll you want to once for free*. You are an owl. Hoot hoot. *one free reroll per ascension you take. As for his abilities, they're actually pretty straightforward and it's just the text explaining it is just a bit arranged to convey the meaning succinctly. Your primary ability is an AOE attack that does more things on your card hand. You draw cards by using your secondary ability, 1 per cast by default. The card type you draw is based on a % probability you can see in your Occult Scroll inventory screen tab. It is based on the rarities of each occult scroll in your inventory. If all the colors match the primary ability does extra stuff. You can skew the probability of drawing specific rarities as you get extra "rarity upgrade" tokens regardless of what ascension you take, using 3 different options in your Occult Scroll inventory. It's best to use the button that gives you the highest odds on one rarity. Those are the basics! There are ascensions that let you manipulate the cards you draw better, and also there's clearly a build that lets you dump cards for benefits. Honestly though the secondary ability is busted right now, I slept through my first run I did on R4 as Owl.
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Jun 2, 2023 01:59
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Ive never had an R8 game be as eassy as a double panda run, goddamn. The mech itself practically soloes the first two bosses.
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Jun 2, 2023 08:52
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Turin Turambar posted:Owl words This has some decent explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13xg0xd/an_early_guide_to_owl/ Some of the new weapons are interesting too. That new wolf AR that apples voracity/howl is extremely effective even though I have no clue what Voracity or Howl do. Wish I could figure out how Star Ring works because that looks interesting too. Fishstick fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Jun 2, 2023 08:53
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Fishstick posted:This has some decent explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13xg0xd/an_early_guide_to_owl/ Thanks. I was a bit facetious before, in reality I had understood already the basics, except the bar indicator on the hud (it seems it just shows graphically the odds you will have if you use the primary skill without 'loading the deck' before) and the upgrade part was a bit confusing because it is mentioned together the 'reroll scrolls' element, which is totally separate thing. the upgrade is just for the astroaspects considerations.
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Jun 2, 2023 09:31
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Evil Kit posted:Why Owl is Busted: Both new characters are busted: https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13y4ak3/so_the_new_characters_are_pretty_fun_fastest_ive/
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Jun 2, 2023 09:39
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Turin Turambar posted:Both new characters are busted: I bet. Gonna do a run with Panda tonight, the only reason I didn't was someone already mentioned they were busted and wanted to try and parse Yugi-Owl for myself. I wonder if the devs were expecting this or are surprised at how strong they are.
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Jun 2, 2023 13:04
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Evil Kit posted:I bet. Gonna do a run with Panda tonight, the only reason I didn't was someone already mentioned they were busted and wanted to try and parse Yugi-Owl for myself. They have seemed extremely content to release ever more powerful stuff, and also let the game scale back in ever more extreme ways. I'm here for it.
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Jun 2, 2023 13:09
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Osmosisch posted:They have seemed extremely content to release ever more powerful stuff, and also let the game scale back in ever more extreme ways. I'm here for it. The last pair were fairly balanced imo, it was the bizarre dreams that def upped the power level with that dlc and I don't disagree with you about loving it lol. The most recent pair are impressively excessive though, and Owl especially feels a tad bit overdesigned compared to the rest of the cast. Still fun AF. What I'm most curious about is how the bizarre dream mode that lets you pick two ascensions(spiritual blessings?) from other characters to potentially find during a run will shake out. Gonna def have some fun with that.
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I tried that Transcendant fusion thing and it can be incredibly helpful if you get lucky. Getting to pick up some of Dog's defensive abilities on a squishy class is a gamechanger.
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Dang. I just checked, and I got 90 hours in this game (all coop with the wife) and we still have yet to beat nightmare 
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Nightmare is the biggest roadblock you'll hit imo, the jump in difficulty combined with the lack of Spiritual Blessings mean you need to hit a build early with enough defensive measures to complete the build to win. Probably easier to beat with the dlc characters now though.
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I'm still amazed with how unbalanced are the new dlc heroes. It can't be they didn't notice some specific broken interaction between abilities or something, as it's noticeable without having a entire build, with the first elite or boss you find, when you barely have 3 or 4 ascensions and a few scrolls. How can you go from having a 60-120 seconds fight to a 5 seconds fight and think the balance is fine.
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Jun 2, 2023 23:21
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its orbin time
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:its orbin time Hell yeah. The new Masterful Craftsmanship scroll that forces 2 exclusive inscriptions on every weapon but limits it to 4 inscriptions total is honestly really fun, literally any weapon you find can be busted. I'm amused many of the weapons and occult scrolls added also feel busted alongside the DLC heros. How busted you might ask though? Take this Deafening Mortar I found right after picking up the scroll!  Looks pretty fun let's take it for a spin- hol' up.  Why are there 103 shots in the magazine, I don't have anything that should be able to cause that- https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688505362109956151/1114330567815745606/103_mortar_shells.mp4  Busted in more ways than one! Yes it fires all 103 mortar shells. No I have no idea why it does that lol. edit: I think it's the new Special Ammo scroll? If so that's incredibly busted. edit edit: it's not. Not sure what caused it, I tried another deafening mortar and it didn't have the same thing. Very weird lol. Evil Kit fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Was reminded that I had this game because of the roguelike thread (thanks Evil Kit), so I thought hey why not try out the red panda with her robot buddy. The game then proceeds to not give me any robot-based ascensions so I just ended up with a gotta-go-fast pistol build instead: https://i.imgur.com/aOs2Kgz.mp4 Must admit it was hella effective though! But also I guess I gotta do another run where I can actually make use of her new mechanics lol
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Exodee posted:Was reminded that I had this game because of the roguelike thread (thanks Evil Kit), so I thought hey why not try out the red panda with her robot buddy. The game then proceeds to not give me any robot-based ascensions so I just ended up with a gotta-go-fast pistol build instead: Anytime, Gunfire is great.  I just did a run of P&C tonight and was trying to do a rocket build. I got half of the build going, but the other half didn't quite sort itself out so it was a little hit and miss. I could fire all my rockets but didn't have enough regen or stockpile to really make it worth it, even though I got all the damage ascensions for the rockets. That said the little bit of ascensions I got for the chicken mech? I can see why it's the most busted part of her kit, how ridiculous.
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I played through runs with each of the new characters this evening. Owl is cool. I don't get his card system at all, but just mashing the secondary skill when I run out of cards, and the primary skill when I feel like it, he was still pretty good. Red Panda is broken. I never really got a decent weapon build going, but the mech basically wrecked everything with only a few points put into its ascensions. You can have him do your work for you, and sit back and launch a neverending stream of high-damage missiles if he runs into an elite. These were both on Expert, I'll push it higher once I remember how to play again.
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I watched that gdq speed run and yeah I'm trash at this game. Good drat that was insane
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I just bought this game. I unlocked the dog and have died to the desert boss a couple times now. Are there more zones after that? It says "final stage" or something like that but a lot of the translation seems iffy. Having fun so far 
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thalweg posted:I just bought this game. I unlocked the dog and have died to the desert boss a couple times now. Are there more zones after that? It says "final stage" or something like that but a lot of the translation seems iffy. Having fun so far There are four areas, i call them: tomb, desert, fjord and snow. I guess the game was saying you were in the final stage of the desert area. --- I was trying to beat Reincarnation 4 solo, but drat things are tanky at this difficulty. A 41 level weapon wasn't cutting it.
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thalweg posted:I just bought this game. I unlocked the dog and have died to the desert boss a couple times now. Are there more zones after that? It says "final stage" or something like that but a lot of the translation seems iffy. Having fun so far To expand on what Turin said, there are 3 zones that you are required to beat for a win: Tomb, Desert and the Fjord. Once you beat the boss of the Fjord you can choose to head back to the inn and claim a win or keep going to a fourth area, a snowy mountain, that's basically an additional challenge area. If you keep struggling against Icky in the desert feel free to ask for advice! The most basic tip I'll give is to stick closer to Icky when it's head is out of the ground for the breath attacks. It's easier to stay ahead of it's turning speed the closer you are.
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Evil Kit posted:Why are there 103 shots in the magazine, I don't have anything that should be able to cause that- There's a spiritual link that gives +100 magazine capacity to rocket launchers, and it's easy to get without trying. You can get a similar (or better) effect with the gemini that combines magazine capacity. Fun fact: if you're in co-op and have this setup, your shots will eventually stop being visible to the other player, though they'll still see enemies spontaneously die.
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I don't understand the red panda's shoulder missiles. The first run I did with her, I was able to hold down the secondary button and launch a stream of missiles. On my run just now, I never got this option despite taking multiple levels in the ascension that seems to do this. It only ever fired one missile.
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WhiteHowler posted:I don't understand the red panda's shoulder missiles. The first run I did with her, I was able to hold down the secondary button and launch a stream of missiles. On my run just now, I never got this option despite taking multiple levels in the ascension that seems to do this. It only ever fired one missile.
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Exodee posted:IIRC the ascension for this only has one level, so you probably didn't get the right one. Did you maybe confuse it with the one that's for birbbot's missile barrage? Probably. I love this game but the descriptions of most of the abilities are hot garbage.
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WhiteHowler posted:Probably. ... although in this case it's quite explicit about it, so you probably didn't even see the ascension in the first place: quote:Hold the Secondary Skill button to rapidly fire the Secondary Skill. There is a 50% chance to consume no uses.
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There's another ascension that says something like "can fire 4/8/12 missiles", so I took that and still don't understand what it did.
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WhiteHowler posted:There's another ascension that says something like "can fire 4/8/12 missiles", so I took that and still don't understand what it did. If you press your "cancel aiming" key without aiming anything, birdbot will transform from melee form to a turret. That ascension lets it use a secondary attack in that form that deletes poo poo.
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Lprsti99 posted:If you press your "cancel aiming" key without aiming anything, birdbot will transform from melee form to a turret. That ascension lets it use a secondary attack in that form that deletes poo poo. As a bonus theres some ridiculous synergy where misssiles fired by the bot's cooldown goes down for every misssile Nona fires, who gets free missiles for bot missiles fired, and youre just hyping eachother up.
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Noper Q posted:There's a spiritual link that gives +100 magazine capacity to rocket launchers, and it's easy to get without trying. You can get a similar (or better) effect with the gemini that combines magazine capacity. That might have been it, totally forgot about Spiritual Links. I did drop at least on scroll when I finally lost it. Honestly it was funny but a little underwhelming. WhiteHowler posted:Probably. There are absolutely some descriptions that are vague or don't make sense but imo the two you conflated are pretty explicit that one is for Ironwing (the mech) and the other your secondary ability (Hardwood Missiles). A bunch of stuff in the new dlc does need a couple of passes for sure though, especially all of Yugi-Owl. Evil Kit fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Jun 3, 2023 19:18
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BTW, with all the attention attracted to the new dlc characters, we haven't commented how the Bird got reworked:quote:Talent:
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I'm still not really sure how to feel about it, but Bird did always feel pretty drat broken if you got all the right pieces. Well, I guess I should say broken in a "just mindlessly spam your nuke kick that also makes you unkillable" broken rather than regular Gunfire broken. Edit: Giving it another read, it seems like they basically spread out the potency of kick across a few more ascensions (plus shunting All or Nothing to a Blessing) and tried to make armor management more active and his overall playstyle more about dancing between skill use and shooting. Seems reasonable. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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