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Oh yeah, another quick addendum on injectors, it's worth remembering that with all the talents unlocked, they start with a baseline 50% lucky shot chance, so they tend to scale really well with anything that can dump extra lucky shot on top. Honestly anything that adds more stats is probably good. Even more RoF, crit, lucky shot, extra projectiles, raw damage isn't even terrible. They scale great with everything. There's even two rare inscriptions that add base damage but subtract accuracy or stability...well AFAIK injectors are always 100% accurate with zero recoil so... Also it applies to most guns, really, but Against the Flow or Skateboarder can enable all sorts of shenanigans that fit together well with the kind of stuff you see on injectors somewhat often. +Lucky Shot or +Projectiles that reset after reloading...well just don't reload. Merciless Combo also makes injectors very, very happy.
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Runa posted:Even with the horde mode nerfs, my friends and I haven't been able to make any headway into the third round. Enemy HP scales up too quickly and we just don't know where to get the damage output we need to put a dent in the mass, especially when there's a handful of Elites getting tossed at us. DNK and I found it useful to have one person go more AOE (dog or monkey using launchers) and one person more single target dps, for which we used fox and prince. Need some luck with getting builds together of course but that seemed to help I also finally managed to solo it, got close with dog but failed on the final boss. Used bunny and got pretty lucky with a blade of bloom build. Final boss took a long time but between maxed blade of bloom and a decent radioactive gauntlet I whittled him down
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Runa posted:Even with the horde mode nerfs, my friends and I haven't been able to make any headway into the third round. Enemy HP scales up too quickly and we just don't know where to get the damage output we need to put a dent in the mass, especially when there's a handful of Elites getting tossed at us. Just go cat and find a lightning element weapon. It doesn’t matter if the weapon has good damage, it just needs to proc as much as possible. The Misma effect (Green + Blue) does % hp damage. As long as you can proc lightning in an AOE (via AOE weapons or good inscriptions) you’ll chew through anything. The cat also has an ascension which is like “any enemy that dies under smoke grenade explodes”. This can set off insane corpse explosion chains if you clump units together. It also works very well with Miasma. It also scales with enemy hp. Basically cat is op. The cat is op in every mode because they don’t rely on weapon upgrades and can pop off with extremely common ascensions / basic gear. edit: and since the whole Miasma spam thing is so easy to pull off, you can ALSO do other things like use Gemini effects to proc fire as well and/or scale hard into skill damage and abuse the “create orb” inscriptions. Note: all of the orb inscriptions scale with skill damage, not weapon damage. DNK fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Acidic Explosion doesn't scale off enemy HP (I think?), it creates a instant burst of damage equivalent to what a smoke grenade would have dealt over its full duration. So not only does Toxic Smoke help scale the damage up, but so does Smoke Genius. Edit: In general, for horde mode I'd think Prince would benefit from not having any hard synergies in his ascension pool. Very few dead picks, even raw grenade capacity has its place. Whereas other characters need to worry about assembling the right parts, Prince can more easily pick and choose in situ and walk away with something good every time. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Yeah miasma is how I've been doing the vast majority of my damage, radioactive gloves seem custom-built specifically to be used as a crutch to deal with how overtuned the horde mode feels. I've been running bunny rather than cat and also been rolling with the infectious fatal bloom which, thankfully, seems to be a common reward. But it also feels like Miasma is required because your own damage output doesn't scale up nearly as quickly as the horde's HP numbers. I was dealing four times as much damage as my team combined just on the back of using Miasma. It feels weird that there's exactly one way to deal enough damage to put a dent in the horde and it relies on you getting the correct elemental weapons or ascensions to drop.
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Remove radioactive gloves and a pair of broken build interactions, and the Horde mode is hard as hell, I agree.
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Runa posted:Yeah miasma is how I've been doing the vast majority of my damage, radioactive gloves seem custom-built specifically to be used as a crutch to deal with how overtuned the horde mode feels. My solo win didn't use miasma...just spores.  But even then spores had trouble keeping up with the power curve to some extent.Turin Turambar posted:Remove radioactive gloves and a pair of broken build interactions, and the Horde mode is hard as hell, I agree. Broken build interactions? Why, what do you mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFdft9kWjU 
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What did they do to Talisman, my poor baby. I didn't find it in the notes but it sure feels like the projectile speed of talisman got hit hard, and the lockon effect seems... different?
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Fixed an issue that the RoF of [Radioactive Gauntlet] is improper. <= So this was it. Fixed an issue that the damage from [Radioactive Gauntlet] can be missed occasionally.
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https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1626234947722772480 https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1626219857678311430 New update incoming, it seems. edit: Oh it's out already https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1217060/view/3642885826025127240?l=english Also roadmap for this year 
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Did I have a weird run, or did they change the Gemini "share elemental advantage" inscription so that the elemental chances now average out? eg a 5% shock gauntlet + 40% decay pistol => 30% shock gaunt / 30% decay pistol. However it occurred, insta-applying 9 stacks of miasma is pretty strong.
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I don't know, I remember they tweaked a pair of Gemini inscriptions a while ago. I did a run yesterday, first time in a while. I got an early fire synergy and fire sword and melee focused build with bird, I was basically killing everyone in one or two hits. But I overspecialized, the build was good in normal encounters but not as hot against bosses, and the ichtosaur and it killed me, as it's hard to use melee weapons against him.
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Fishstick posted:Did I have a weird run, or did they change the Gemini "share elemental advantage" inscription so that the elemental chances now average out? eg a 5% shock gauntlet + 40% decay pistol => 30% shock gaunt / 30% decay pistol. However it occurred, insta-applying 9 stacks of miasma is pretty strong. The numbers on elemental gauntlets are deceptive. Their RoF is insane enough that 5% is more than enough to proc elements like crazy. And then you can an inscription that bumps it up to 8%, IIRC. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Feb 18, 2023 |
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John Murdoch posted:The numbers on elemental gauntlets are deceptive. Their RoF is insane enough that 5% is more than enough to proc elements like crazy. And then you can an inscription that bumps it up to 8%, IIRC. I don't think it was a scroll/buff effect because then Id assume the tooltip for both weapons would update with an increased chance, and not have one go from 40 -> 30 and the other from 5 -> 30
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Ohh sorry, I completely misunderstood. That is peculiar. I don't remember outside buffs dynamically changing weapon cards in the first place, but maybe I'm wrong. I do remember there's a few spots where which gun is in which slot does matter, though that's mostly a Dog thing and wouldn't be related to elemental procs. And there's the +50% Elemental Effect Chance upon hitting an enemy inscription...but that wouldn't steal anything from the offhand weapon so huh... I'm assuming this was post-patch? Seems likely they mucked with something then, intentionally or no.
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Played a game with DNK and we both got super lucky, I had my atomic bomb and doubled secondary skill capacity and he ended up with 11 spiritual links, which is the most I've seen so far didn't even feel like reincarnation 8 for most of it. also hard to see with the buffs but he has 400+ shields in that photo, and at times went to over 700 shields I like the new chests that let you gamble for an enhanced scroll or choose one of your current ones to enhance
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There is a new update with a new 'bizarre dream'. It's pretty fun, in the second and third 'rest points' (between stages), you can choose 3-4 random scrolls (from a selection of 3 each time), and each one will also give a similar bonus of the enemies. For example: [Deflection Shield] -50% DMG taken form enemies over 15m away, +50% DMG taken from enemies within 15m away. [Paranormality] Monster's Shields/Armor doubled. Monsters without shields/armor gain a shield equal to twice their maximum health, and then their maximum health is set to 1. [Flesh and Bones] Convert all Shield/Armor to HP and recover 3% max HP/s. (Effects on elite enemy are reduced by 80%) [Lifesaver] When HP is reduced to 0, HP is fixed at 1 for 1s. Each time of dealling DMG on enemies within this duration will recover 10% Max HP and 10% Max Shield/Armor. This effect will only trigger once. [Resolute] +50% Movement Speed and +25% DMG when your Shield/Armor is 0. Doubles the time a shield rests before recharging. [Elemental Power] When affected by Elemental Effect, there is a 50% chance to spread theElemental Effect to the player. So it isn't the same as the player, but somewhat similar and lessened effect, with a few of them modified more as it wouldn't make sense otherwise. At first a pair of these effects don't change a lot, but very much like with your build, once enough are piled on top of others, some surprising ocmbos may appear.
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https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1658109986180943872 New dlc incoming!
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Turin Turambar posted:https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1658109986180943872 Finally, Gaige Except I don't have to play a twenty hour campaign to get my build going
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https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1658472391507582980 Its looking like it will be like the first DLC, 2 characters + a few weapons? i hoped for a new environment at some point. 
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Turin Turambar posted:https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1658472391507582980 the starting area sucks
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I dunno about a totally new area but alternative biomes for each area (except mountain maybe) honestly would immensely improve the game. I'm digging Owl and Red Panda as animal choices for the characters though.
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And the trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP7A0pmDNnM June 1st.
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They added a Brick as a weapon Now we just need a Frog class
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The Red Panda's arm looks weird to me, like an extreme case of sun burn or a burn victim... I guess it's the lack of fur. New weapons look cool though, and seems quite unique.
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That the Owl is apparently going to be heavily Scroll based in the way they've outlined is liable to lead to way more builds than perhaps the other characters to date---though I've yet to see what in the world the mech is doing.
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I'm very excited for the new addition to the arsenal,  brick
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Runa posted:I'm very excited for the new addition to the arsenal, finally, gunfire players can get bricked up goty
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Runa posted:I'm very excited for the new addition to the arsenal, It's a wuxia and xian xia genre classic. Honestly impressed it took them so long to add
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Oh, it's out already, because they are in China, I guess. No need to wait for PST time. So, how is it? Release notes https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1217060/view/3731840159861709357?l=english edit: " The [Bizarre Dream] now offers two additional Modes: [Transcendent Arsenal] and [Ascension Fusion]. In the [Transcendent Arsenal], you can collect your favorite weapons, while in [Ascension Fusion], you can use Ascensions from different heroes to create unique BD. " waaat "Finally, we get some exciting news to share with everyone: “Gunfire Reborn" has surpassed 3 million copies in global sales for the PC version!!" "In this updates we add more than 20 occult scrolls and adjust the effect of more than 10 occult scrolls." New goodies! Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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The two new classes are wildly broken, we took them through two easy coop runs swapping back and forth Mech raccoon says 'pew pew' when you fire her shoulder mounted macross missile launcher  Sage bird (who is extremely distinguished, manners maketh owl) just flings cards all day err day
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I haven't played (work!) but looking at the ascensions of the red panda, it seems she can do a Itano circus with her secondary (extra missiles, tracking missile, extra damage of successive misiles, etc). First build I will try!
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Havent been able to play yet but as someone who loves his swarm missiles this is all good news to me
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Fishstick posted:Ive read the skill descriptions for owl like 10 times and I still don't get it It looks a bit overloaded tbh, it might make more sense in practice. Gonna be experimenting tonight to try and figure it out, will post results.
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