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Squashing Machine posted:. gently caress the space racists, but trying to enforce an extremely specific political view on the entire corp just isn't going to work. Yeah that’s my thoughts on it and quite a few other people as well.
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Squashing Machine posted:Hey man, this is a bad look. I am all for treating people well in the Discord, not allowing bigotry or people to be lovely to each other, and allowing the corp to be for everyone's benefit and combined goals. We should be helping each other, not pursuing some sort of IRL political axegrind in a game where you can barely interact with anyone effectively right now anyway, and acting like this is somehow a unanimously popular move (it isn't, plenty of people in fleet chats I was in earlier today have said they come to this game to get some even momentary relief from the stress of the current political landscape) is just destined to end in pursuing of grudges, purity testing, and less fun for everyone. gently caress the space racists, but trying to enforce an extremely specific political view on the entire corp just isn't going to work. I don't see how enforcing socialist branding is a problem? I never asked for ideology tests. I want people united over the Modern SA socialist movement, and when you have people like Tremek that want to goon gently caress and play nice with people of all ideologies, that's not what SA is about anymore. We're gonna have mild socialist branding, and we're gonna be abrasive to pubbies with that branding. Most gaming culture these days leans right, so even mentioning communism will piss off half the game. We need to be united under that branding, and we were weren't if the suggestion of Soviet Gooniun was so abrasive to Tremek and he flipped out in chat when we suggested it.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:48
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Squashing Machine posted:Hey man, this is a bad look. I am all for treating people well in the Discord, not allowing bigotry or people to be lovely to each other, and allowing the corp to be for everyone's benefit and combined goals. We should be helping each other, not pursuing some sort of IRL political axegrind in a game where you can barely interact with anyone effectively right now anyway, and acting like this is somehow a unanimously popular move (it isn't, plenty of people in fleet chats I was in earlier today have said they come to this game to get some even momentary relief from the stress of the current political landscape) is just destined to end in pursuing of grudges, purity testing, and less fun for everyone. gently caress the space racists, but trying to enforce an extremely specific political view on the entire corp just isn't going to work. you're free to play with bigots and chuds, just do it somewhere else
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Aug 31, 2020 01:49
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Khris Kruel posted:tremek also called me a nazi, which is what started the blow up that got me, mode 6's and tremeks roles gone for leadership. I asked you if you were the internet gestapo, and you immediately wrote yes. You called yourself a Nazi. Post the screenshot? I also put it in general chat, so the record is out there before you can "purge" it. Also - I willingly and voluntarily left the leadership because of the toxicity you're perpetuating. This is all just more gaslighting and lies from, you, dude. Tremek fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Aug 31, 2020 01:51
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Remora posted:you're free to play with bigots and chuds, just do it somewhere else Oh god pound sand with this poo poo that’s not even what they are saying. Why is this always the go to response when someone says something that is in disagreement with someone. Seriously.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:52
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Squashing Machine posted:Hey man, this is a bad look. I am all for treating people well in the Discord, not allowing bigotry or people to be lovely to each other, and allowing the corp to be for everyone's benefit and combined goals. We should be helping each other, not pursuing some sort of IRL political axegrind in a game where you can barely interact with anyone effectively right now anyway, and acting like this is somehow a unanimously popular move (it isn't, plenty of people in fleet chats I was in earlier today have said they come to this game to get some even momentary relief from the stress of the current political landscape) is just destined to end in pursuing of grudges, purity testing, and less fun for everyone. gently caress the space racists, but trying to enforce an extremely specific political view on the entire corp just isn't going to work. No one is going to force you to phonebank for the SPUSA candidate for CA-12. We want to gently caress up racists and get free ships to goons. That's the entirety of the "extremely specific political view".
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Aug 31, 2020 01:55
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Khris Kruel posted:I don't see how enforcing socialist branding is a problem? I never asked for ideology tests. I want people united over the Modern SA socialist movement, and when you have people like Tremek that want to goon gently caress and play nice with people of all ideologies, that's not what SA is about anymore. Dude, it really doesn't sound that way from the way you've been talking about this on the Discord. You're pulling the same sort of "get in line or pound sand" stuff Valador did because you have the cards now. People have been excellent to each other in the mission fleets I've been taking part in and this doesn't seem to reflect their ideals.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:56
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:No one is going to force you to phonebank for the SPUSA candidate for CA-12. We want to gently caress up racists and get free ships to goons. That's the entirety of the "extremely specific political view". Literally in general chat people were saying if you aren’t the same as us politically gtfo and this was to people that weren’t even really saying much. 
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Aug 31, 2020 01:57
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Squashing Machine posted:Dude, it really doesn't sound that way from the way you've been talking about this on the Discord. You're pulling the same sort of "get in line or pound sand" stuff Valador did because you have the cards now. People have been excellent to each other in the mission fleets I've been taking part in and this doesn't seem to reflect their ideals. The difference here would be that Valador wanted us to get in line with buying his off-brand GOON merchandise and paying for his alliance of random pubbies. Here you're just being asked to get in line with the idea with rubbing socialism in the face of pubbies and blowing up the ships of racists, ironic or not.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:58
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i dont know what to say if you think its too much to say "dont be chuds", like no one cares if people are just some silent dude who actually believes libertarians aren't pedos but all the people booted earlier today were tripping over themselves to say WELL but this kind of slur is actually not bad and here's why..
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Aug 31, 2020 02:00
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Squashing Machine posted:Dude, it really doesn't sound that way from the way you've been talking about this on the Discord. You're pulling the same sort of "get in line or pound sand" stuff Valador did because you have the cards now. People have been excellent to each other in the mission fleets I've been taking part in and this doesn't seem to reflect their ideals. Feel free to believe what you want man
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Aug 31, 2020 02:00
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MarcusSA posted:Oh god pound sand with this poo poo that’s not even what they are saying. Why is this always the go to response when someone says something that is in disagreement with someone. Space socialism isn't real socialism you know. People aren't going to start thinking you are a lib, I promise. A few of you are over reacting to this stuff and telling on yourselves.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:01
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Sickening posted:Space socialism isn't real socialism you know. People aren't going to start thinking you are a lib, I promise. A few of you are over reacting to this stuff and telling on yourselves. What the hell does this even mean? It certainly has no relevance to what I was quoting that’s for sure.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:04
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It's a meme guys. People were posting goose's at each other chill
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Aug 31, 2020 02:05
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w00tmonger posted:It's a meme guys. People were posting goose's at each other chill Actually I prefer ducks and it was very distressing for me to see walls full of geese on discord earlier, I want this to be a group where all fowl are allowed instead of being told to fall in line behind one very specific species of avian.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:08
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Sorry you can't be a pretend socialist in an internet spaceship game because you don't endorse RL socialism in the USA.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:09
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MarcusSA posted:What the hell does this even mean? It certainly has no relevance to what I was quoting that’s for sure. The Saddest Robot posted:Sorry you can't be a pretend socialist in an internet spaceship game because you don't endorse RL socialism in the USA.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:10
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The Saddest Robot posted:Sorry you can't be a pretend socialist in an internet spaceship game because you don't endorse RL socialism in the USA.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:13
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The Saddest Robot posted:Sorry you can't be a pretend socialist in an internet spaceship game because you don't endorse RL socialism in the USA. That is my read of the situation and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Am I wrong? I don't care if you're a tankie or capitalist, leave it out of my mobile space submarine game. We should have space socialism... are people actually unironically saying they won't fly with IRL non-communists? Edit: I get that some fuckheads will be fuckheads in fleets and the culture is important, but we should kick them out before they become DBRB Rapner fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Aug 31, 2020 02:31
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Rapner posted:That is my read of the situation and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Am I wrong? I don't care if you're a tankie or capitalist, leave it out of my mobile space submarine game. i don't think anybody is saying that
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Aug 31, 2020 02:33
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Radio Free Kobold posted:i don't think anybody is saying that Oh thank gently caress, ok.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:34
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Rapner posted:That is my read of the situation and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Am I wrong? I don't care if you're a tankie or capitalist, leave it out of my mobile space submarine game.  You clearly don't share their vision for gameplay content - come hither, Peasant, the Commissar would like a word (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 31, 2020 02:35
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again literally no one cares what people are if they ahve the mega low bar of capability of not saying dumb poo poo out loud, but theres already been a handful of people who couldnt manage that
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Aug 31, 2020 02:36
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Ok this will be my last post in this thread. I was too tired and disappointed in everyone to explain myself earlier, and after being awake pissing on drama fires for 36 of the proceeding 48 hours I knew I simply lacked the mental agility required to explain myself. Even if I could have it would have changed nothing, as soon as I turned my back Kris would have blown everything up again. I probably still do but gently caress it, I think you guys deserve to know what you are, in my opinion, getting into. Kris is a hardcore socialist, and this is a website with a large portion of socialists, many of whom are hardcore because goons rarely do things in half measures. Kris interprets this as far as I can make out to mean that anyone who disagrees with his specific views is a chud, no matter the reason for the disagreement. Now when I first learned that Kris was on board with us an entire 6 days ago I was excited, because thejanitor had explained to me that there was this super cool spreadsheets dude who was playing the game but didn't want to have anything to do with Valador. Up until last night this was beginning and the end of it, Kris made ships and we shot lasers. There had been a little rumble of something between Mode 6 and Kris, but I thought nothing serious. In a fit of blinding irony the root of this was that Mode 6 was concerned Kris was profiteering off the alliance, a concern I too some extent shared but felt had to be put aside in order to procure ships for us. This was my mistake, had I pursued the matter more vigorously then I would have discovered that the misunderstanding and none of this would have happened (yet, I'm sure it was inevitable in the end). Unfortunately I didn't, because I had already felt that Kris was a very unstable and passionate person, and I really didn't want to jeopardise ship production at such a critical juncture. The reason Mode 6 and I felt Kris was profiteering was quite simply because his spread sheet makes constant talk of profit, has a FAQ that no you can't have a ship at cost, and makes no where any explanation of where the profit is going. As I say I personally was 100% ok with paying Kris 5% in exchange for spreadsheet magic and ships still well under market cost. Now I'm not going to go into detail of how this morning it all blew up again because frankly every little argument has all just blurred into one horrible toxic mess in my mind and I couldn't lay out blow for blow what happened if my life depended on it. Instead I can only give you my broad impression, trust my feelings or don't, it's up to you. Kris and Bishop are people who's political views I, personally in real life agree with. I would not want to play in a game under them because they (or at least Kris) have no concept at all of compromise that I can see. Now I left the discord for my own good, so I don't know who wound up ontop of the shitheap, but I strongly suspect it includes one or both of them. If you are as hardcore a socialist as they I am sure you will have a great time of it. They are not bad people. If you are even a hair less far to the left than they it is only a matter of time until you are purged and quite possibly doxed. Tremek is a good guy, he did a lot for goons in this game and has been effectively character assassinated and I hear attempted to be doxed. This is because Kris felt in our meeting last night that we had reacted badly to his suggestion we use BLM as an alliance name. It took me hours last night to explain to Kris that nobody is against a socialist troll name, but we cannot co opt the BLM movement into a loving phone game. This was explained quite clearly within 5 minutes of the suggestion being made, but throughout the meeting Kris continued to insist upon it. By this morning I had managed to get Kris and Tremek to sit down together and agree that it was a misunderstanding. Then came the next batch of drama from Kris complaining that Mode 6 though he wasn't socialist enough. As explained above this was a truly ridiculous non event with both sides making the same argument precipitated by the fact it was not actually written down any where that Kris was using industry profits for the greater good. Again after much bullshit I manage to talk both sides into a compromise, only for me to step away for half an hour to come back and find that it had again immediately blown up. I go through the whole process again, this time several people have stepped back and or been forced back and I sit down to try and work out how the gently caress to explain this to you guys and if I even care anymore. The conclusion I come to is I probably don't but Bishop asks me to make one last push and assures me that he will handle Kris so I agree. I spend the next three hours trying to draft an agenda for the fireside, constantly hampered at every turn by Kris' refusal to compromise. Eventually, eventually and 10 minutes late we manage something. Now the fireside it seems to me went ok, everybody was being reasonable and people even seemed to accept Lykos' apology was a source of considerable astonishment to me after the days events. I step back from the computer and come back to find the whole thing is going all over again, at which point I decide I'm loving done. I had a choice, I could purge those I thought to be no good or I could just give up. I chose the later as I simply could not bring myself to care anymore, every hard fought attempt to bring people to the table was constantly shat upon the second I turned my back, not always by Kris but usually. I also have to say that he used me to lie in order to stir further outrage against his targets, and that is the one thing he has done that truly offends me. The rest I am sure he thinks he is doing for the best and I respect that even if I disagree, but that is not cool dude. As I said earlier if you are looking for a permanent revolution you will be fine under Kris. If you just want to chill out and play spaceships without worrying about much, jump before you are pushed is my advice. Just remember this, without Tremek there is a very good chance the majority of goons would still be under Valador today. He does not deserve what is being done to him. He is not a chud, I heard he has emptied the corp wallets and frankly, I don't blame him in the circumstances. This is far too many words to be writing about this, and doubtless it will only result in me being tried in my absence and found a chud. But for those of you reading this who thought I was a chill guy, take this as your warning and go find somewhere chill to play. Peace.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:39
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Radio Free Kobold posted:i don't think anybody is saying that Oh one last post, this is absolutely 100% exactly what Kris and Wandering Bishop are saying. Repeatedly. Loudly. Endlessly. And that's fine, it is their right. But if you don't want to deal with that, bail.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:42
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Rapner posted:
I will play the game with anyone except Nazis and tankies. Neolibs who just say "I just want to grill" in response to people being banned for being uncool and saying slurs and acting out will be evaluated on a case by case basis depending on how competently they fly their internet spaceships. Also if their mic quality is bad or their voice is annoying those are all being factored in. Basically if your response to chuds openly going out of their way to subvert the dignity of other people through slurs etc etc is "but it's just a video game guys" you can join one of the 35 other goon splinters formed in the last hours. monkfoot fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Aug 31, 2020 02:43
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Pharnakes posted:Oh one last post, this is absolutely 100% exactly what Kris and Wandering Bishop are saying. Repeatedly. Loudly. Endlessly. i think you need to get some rest cuz this and most of your previous post are kinda not actually the reality
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Aug 31, 2020 02:45
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esto es malo posted:i think you need to get some rest cuz this and most of your previous post are kinda not actually the reality Actually man, it looks pretty close to it. Pharnakes and Tremek both did a good job in the limited time this organization existed and now it's getting hosed over by someone wanting to push their will on the world's most insignificant stage because they make the ships. Was it that hard just to have fun in a phone game?
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Aug 31, 2020 02:47
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Squashing Machine posted:Actually man, it looks pretty close to it. Pharnakes and Tremek both did a good job in the limited time this organization existed and now it's getting hosed over by someone wanting to push their will on the world's most insignificant stage because they make the ships. Was it that hard just to have fun in a phone game? Ok dude ive never seen post in the discord
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Aug 31, 2020 02:50
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Squashing Machine posted:Actually man, it looks pretty close to it. Pharnakes and Tremek both did a good job in the limited time this organization existed and now it's getting hosed over by someone wanting to push their will on the world's most insignificant stage because they make the ships. Was it that hard just to have fun in a phone game? Kris was the one getting pushed really hard by Mode 6 and Tremek, and reacted in a not entirely calm way. Mode 6 unilaterally decided to axe Kris from leadership (which he could do because he had discord power) before any of this even started and basically everything that escalated was a direct result of that. Like, believe what you want, but Kris is good people and so is everyone else still in leadership.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:50
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Man us casuals can't keep up with the drama. So who are the cool kids now? Who and I sopose to dislike?
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Aug 31, 2020 02:51
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I'm very glad I've decided not to play so far. Kris sounds like a sperglord of the absolute worst variety. Kris, do you go to protests and burn poo poo down IRL or are you just an armchair pretender? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 31, 2020 02:52
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Aug 31, 2020 02:52
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I 100% guarantee you based on playing with these guys for over a year that nobody is ever going to get axed for "not being socialist enough" or whatever the gently caress.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:53
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kaizier posted:Man us casuals can't keep up with the drama. So who are the cool kids now? Who and I sopose to dislike? Dislike the racists in Deklein, like whoever.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:53
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Pharnakes posted:Then came the next batch of drama from Kris complaining that Mode 6 though he wasn't socialist enough. FYI, this isn't happening. Here is what I said about Mode 6 to Pharnakes. Please notice there is not anything about his political ideology. 
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Aug 31, 2020 02:54
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Hazdoc posted:cool, now i dont want to play, lol goons ruin everything
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Aug 31, 2020 02:54
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Hazdoc posted:cool, now i dont want to play, lol goons ruin everything Save yourself hazdoc. You've lived the groon life before. You know that only suffering can come from it.
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The Shortest Path posted:Kris was the one getting pushed really hard by Mode 6 and Tremek, and reacted in a not entirely calm way. Mode 6 unilaterally decided to axe Kris from leadership (which he could do because he had discord power) before any of this even started and basically everything that escalated was a direct result of that. I'm sure he is. Kris did a fantastic job with the industry side of things and I had no problem with how he was handling things on that end. I'm very happy with the Omen I bought from him. But this current drama kind of represents the most exhausting parts of the current climate, and I'd like a bit of a respite from it.
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