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CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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Coohoolin posted:

Hi everyone, haven't posted in a while. What's the thread's thoughts on the Northern Independence Party? I'm very curious.

it's good. uncritical support for the NIP

get yourselves a proper webpage with a summary so i don't have to use wikipedia posted:

NIP also supports a "green industrial rebirth" and democratic socialist principles. The party is committed to federalism and enhanced local democracy. NIP is firmly anti-racist and opposed to anti-refugee rhetoric in all forms. Instead, it stress Northern traditions of solidarity, tolerance and mutualism.[4]

# ¿ Nov 17, 2020 10:26

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CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
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the sex ghost posted:

She's either wearing a cloak, a jacket the exact same colour and material as her chair, or has a comically tiny head. I dont want to know the correct answer

The Tories have been learning how to project an aura of seriousness, power, and strength, albeit from anime.

Coohoolin posted:

Lmao thanks for not disappointing with the "independence is bad when it's Scottish but good when it's English" take i fully expected from someone

alas, you've been got by NJAN99's picture-perfect trolling, just another tally mark on their keyboard

ed: ^^^ incredible

CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Nov 17, 2020

# ¿ Nov 17, 2020 12:20

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
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Campaign Against Antisemitism demanding re-suspension

full article

# ¿ Nov 17, 2020 20:01

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Strom Cuzewon posted:

How do you take a report that was saying "B-, must try harder" and turn it into a clusterfuck that occupies multiple news cycles weeks apart?

by the careful application of sensible, grown-up politics

# ¿ Nov 17, 2020 22:20

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peanut- posted:

I'm honestly surprised. I expected the anti-semitism story would literally just vanish as soon as Starmer was elected.

And it definitely did for a while, but then they decided they hadn't won enough and needed to go after Corbyn some more.

It's how the right of the party are disciplining and conditioning Starmer - everything not favourable to them produces a shitstorm.

I'd fully expect Starmer to take the easy move, in this situation, of either not reinstating the whip, or maaaybe of reinstating it then launching another disciplinary investigation with an *~unbiased~* panel, because that's the only way to stop the poo poo-flinging short of throwing all the right out and taping up their fingers and mouths so they can't communicate with the media.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 10:23

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jabby posted:

So according to the rules Corbyn should already have the whip back.

Bet Team Starmer is gutted they didn't check before putting out a panicked "WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION", meaning they now need to make a decision and royally piss off a massive wing of the party.

They've hosed it so hard. Be extremely funny if this forced David Evans and/or Starmer into resigning

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 11:10

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https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1329017098736185344

loving called it

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 12:04

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TheRat posted:

So let me get this straight. Jeremy Corbyn is currently a labour member and an MP but not a Labour MP despite the rules saying he's automatically a Labour MP?

maybe they'll have another go at kicking him out

ed: or Starmer will have to release a statement saying "despite my previous statement, it turns out that Jeremy Corbyn is still a Labour MP and there's nothing I can do about it without more disciplinary action", in which case, it's time for a new disciplinary case with an *~independent panel~* this time!

CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Nov 18, 2020

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 12:14

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# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 12:23

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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Keith, sobbing and just slamming himself in the dick with a sock half-full of sand: why is Corbyn doing this to me? why is Corbyn doing this to me? why is Corbyn doing this to meeeeee?

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 12:45

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This still leaves the underlying problem for Keir "authority, integrity, unity" Starmer though: the right of the party has the ability to get itself heard, loudly, in the media; external broadly right-supporting organisations like the BoD can similarly make themselves heard, and both want Corbyn (and people with politics like him) out. The left of the party doesn't have that media accessibility. Also, the media by and large agree with the right and want to amplify that viewpoint.

So the quickest way to long-term stability in the party - maybe even the only way, given the external organisations have their own interests and can't really be threatened, bribed, or silenced - is ejection of the "disruptive elements"; that is, the left who are hated and wanted out by all the people with media access. Sure, in the short term it'll look ugly as poo poo, but in the long term it sets up a visibly stable Labour Party, united, professional, centrist, sensible grown-up politics, blah blah blah. The longer he leaves it, the more problems the anti-left elements will cause, and the worse the party looks in the media, who are entirely happy to get their teeth into some juicy drama that can bolster the anti-left position.

So I don't think it's likely that Corbyn can have the whip restored by the Leader's Office now (if it was ever theirs to restore), it'll trigger a shitshow which won't go away. Also it will be really funny if Starmer tries to pull the "er, technically I have no say in whether the whip is restored" as a way out. Or if he resigns. That would also be really funny.

jabby posted:

The more Starmer treats Corbyn like the second Hitler, the more he invites the question of why he a) worked for second Hitler for years, and b) told the British public to make second Hitler their leader just a few months ago.

I do look forward to this attack line come the next election, or indeed if Starmer ever wants to try appeasing the left

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 13:13

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jabby posted:

Kicking out the left is definitely the way to short-term media praise and "stability", but also almost certain electoral oblivion. The left holding their noses is what put Blair in power, it put Biden in power, and if Starmer fully breaks that coalition now there's a reasonable chance he might even lose Unite, a handful of other unions and about thirty MPs to a new party.

Perhaps he really does just care about being king of the ashes like some of his faction, but I don't know if he really wants to trigger the Lib Demification of the Labour Party.

This read depends on Starmer as seeking stability / electability / image above all else, and could well be wrong. If it is, the whole thing will become an ongoing crisis with no real way out except maaaybe a new leader.

Thinking about a few of the things centrists seem to believe,

a return to sensible grown-up centrist politics is what wins elections, as confirmed by the success of Tony Blair and Joe Biden
the left are electorally irrelevant and voters voting for them are doing so reluctantly, as confirmed by the dreadful failure of Jeremy Corbyn
private donors are an entirely acceptable substitute for an enthusiastic membership, as confirmed by Tony Blair
the left will support us anyway, we can browbeat them

I'm not sure they'd really be concerned all that much about electoral oblivion; it probably wouldn't cross their minds as a possibility.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 13:55

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Firos posted:

Iirc Lewis is a bit of a danger, but I don't recall what the specifics of it are.

There was a sexual harassment claim against him a couple of years back, from the same conference as the "on your knees, bitch" incident (ed: to make it clear, the case was dismissed)

Also there were some women in his constituency (and possibly his CLP) tweeting about how he was making them uncomfortable at the gym by staring at them; I don't remember if that was ever confirmed fully, but there were a few of them supporting each other

CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Nov 19, 2020

# ¿ Nov 19, 2020 09:42

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OwlFancier posted:

I feel like if I read a big brain marxist it would diminish my ability to get into incoherent polemicals with people.

Which is something i value.

if you read enough big brain marxist stuff, you'll gain the ability to make polemic even less understandable, which can only be a good thing

# ¿ Nov 19, 2020 13:33

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Pistol_Pete posted:

Still in awe of how badly Starmer's been loving everything up. For the Labour party to move on and start being a coherent opposition: having positions on Brexit, preparing for the next election etc, there are 2 prerequisites: the antisemitism thing needs to be put to bed, so the party can move past it and the toxic atmosphere of mistrust that's developed in the party needs to be resolved. At every step, Starmer seems to be taking the worst possible option and ensuring that they become irresolvable, it's amazing really.

Left and right within the party seem pretty much irreconcilable; they absolutely do not share a common vision or means of achieving that vision. The thing is, while the left were a bunch of crusty backbenchers not really in the spotlight, the right was broadly fine with leaving them to it - ageing representatives of a dying or dead politics, never a chance they'd pose a threat, end of history. Then it turned out that the left was, in fact, a threat and quite popular, and the antisemitism thing is the best weapon so far the right found that has traction against the left. The right has now had a taste of blood, they've seen that Starmer will when the chips are down decide to lean towards appeasing them, so why would they choose not to use antisemitism as a weapon against the left?

Given this, personally I doubt that the party can get rid of the toxic mistrust or put antisemitism to bed because the problems stem from fundamentally opposed politics; the result will probably be for one or the other to concede, or be forced either out entirely or back into obscurity.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2020 15:11

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WhatEvil posted:

Oh hey I just realised with all this talk of Israel none of us have remembered the date!

https://twitter.com/RachRua/status/1329838675476312066?s=20

entirely reasonable. as PM he must be able to pronounce the names of pedophiles correctly, as he'd be meeting them all the time. it's a decorum thing.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2020 23:36

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Convex posted:

also I remember when he wore a tie and the grotesque reality of his uncontrollable lust for power became evident. thank god we ended up with boris, a politician who truly understands the plight of the forgotten man

importantly, boris's blunders are charming and suited for a man in high office - unlike corbyn, he's unlikely to say "his royal heenis the ducky of york". you can see why the great british public selected him

# ¿ Nov 21, 2020 00:47

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election time is but a window.

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sebzilla posted:

I don't even know if I'm in Mercia or Wessex.

Stupid fuzzy early medieval borders.

choose your favourite flag

boring

or, the incredibly weary Wessex wyvern that's hoping you'll be scared enough to run away if it poses

# ¿ Nov 21, 2020 11:12

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communism bitch posted:

I left school at 15 with no qualifications and got accepted into an MA in my mid 30s. I understand the material, understand what I would like to write, and I'm just sitting here staring at an incoherent mess of text with one week till my deadline and feeling utterly hopeless.

If your uni's got an online system of some kind, it's likely to have a section hidden away in the bowels which gives guidelines for writing essays (or other general academic skills), which may be of help. Your teacher / supervisor / whoever else will also be able to help - that's what they're there for! Also, it's the first essay, think of it more as feeling out what you're trying to do and what they're looking for.

Your uni may be able to recommend some books or videos on study skills. At some point (maybe once the essay is over) I'd suggest acquiring a copy of S�nke Ahrens - How To Take Smart Notes from the source of your choice. It's helped me out, there's a lot good stuff in there about the academic process and how it fits in with cognition; a couple of tips that might be helpful:

sketch out the structure of the document you want to create, so you're not trying to hold the structure in mind as well as everything else - externalise your thinking onto paper where possible
break the process down into small sections, each of which has something achievable; if you get stuck working on one section, just move to another and come back once your brain's had time to think it through
the paper-writing process has multiple 'stages' of refinement; don't try and do all the stages on the same bit at once, e.g. rough draft a section, then once it's drafted move onto something else or maybe try editing it, instead of trying to perfect a single sentence or phrase without anything else being there.

vodkat posted:

Latex is better than word. Both are bad. Whatever you do use zotero.

I've just started using Zotero and oh my god is it easier than tracking all that bullshit by hand

# ¿ Nov 23, 2020 20:27

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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peanut- posted:

Extremely normal stuff from a healthy party

https://twitter.com/amphitryoniades/status/1330943191130968065

my god. she has the 10,000GW fusion reactor of brains. so tremendously, spicily powerful!

# ¿ Nov 23, 2020 20:38

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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Continuity NIP posted:

Things are emerging

The Northern Independence Party in the north, the Wessex Autonomy Party in the south-west, what will these magical times bring next?

i call dibs on that name

# ¿ Nov 23, 2020 23:44

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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OwlFancier posted:

UK is The Incel now.

the original Virgin Island

# ¿ Nov 24, 2020 00:40

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Communist Thoughts posted:

I also think Corbyn should gently caress off and retire gracefully and the left shouldn't be defending him all the time since it's a lost battle and also he did fail massively to do what we trusted him to.
It wasn't entirely his fault but some of it was.

peanut- posted:

Corbyn absolutely was fading into the back benches until the Labour right decided that wasn't good enough and he needed to be expelled/personally destroyed.

I think the level of reaction from the left in the last few weeks has very little to do with winning the argument of 2019 or whatever, and is much more of a visceral response to the attempt the smear and humiliate a self-evidently decent man who had already stepped down.

I wonder if the press, and the right of Labour, are going to let Corbyn gently caress off and retire gracefully; they seem both to treat him as a sort of synecdoche of the left and also a punching bag. If they want to start trouble, they just need to keep going to get a statement from him or attack him for something, he'll say what he actually thinks because that's what he does, that angers the right, the left (including those still in the party) rallies to him in defence, suddenly there's Trouble In The Labour Party! A Low-Hitler Ken Livingstone, exciting narratives on demand.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2020 19:12

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WhatEvil posted:

https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1332041560393969665?s=20

there was another tweet earlier, don't think anyone posted it
https://twitter.com/LWHead/status/1331943103406682112
Forbidding discussion of how discussion has been forbidden is a powerful move, given that they don't have control over all communication the members have with each other so they can't actually stop unofficial discussion happening

# ¿ Nov 26, 2020 21:07

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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Borrovan posted:

Ah, but they haven't yet forbidden discussion of why discussion of discussion being forbidden is forbidden

they've weaseled out of the layered meta-discussion trap by not limiting it to simply those things mentioned - "motions around this issue (including", "all motions which touch on these issues"

# ¿ Nov 26, 2020 21:44

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election time is but a window.

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therattle posted:

?? I�m not sure what you mean. Please clarify.

referring to Graun columnist Jonathan Jones, who wrote this article about Terry Pratchett books shortly after Pratchett's death, starting with

quote:

It does not matter to me if Terry Pratchett�s final novel is a worthy epitaph or not, or if he wanted it to be pulped by a steamroller. I have never read a single one of his books and I never plan to. Life�s too short.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2020 23:00

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gh0stpinballa posted:

i'm seeing lots of intense emotional investment on the TL today, not much humour. which i could understand up to a point, but it's exhausting just seeing the same poo poo rehashed every single day. can't imagine what anyone involved in these arguments is getting out of it anymore. it's pretty obvious labour is not going to be a vehicle for what you want if you supported corbyn or whatever.

I think a lot of the very online left people were extremely invested in Labour as a project; for many of them it's still an ongoing discussion into whether the party can be saved, given the lack of other alternative parties.

It's also worth using the heuristic that "the purpose of a system is what it does" from a radical left perspective: Labour as a system does a fantastic job of being the left-wing political equivalent of the kind of person who turns every discussion into a discussion about them and their problems. A vacuum, in both senses, of radical(ish) or potentially radicalisable left-wing energy.

# ¿ Nov 27, 2020 12:58

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stev posted:

Now I have "You shall have a Rishi on a little Dishi. You shall have a Rishi when the boats come in" in my head. Thanks.

utterly cursed. begone, foul fiend

CancerCakes posted:

random generated motion

thispoopdoesnotexist.com

CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 27, 2020

# ¿ Nov 27, 2020 17:01

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Guavanaut posted:

Add on top of that a big dash of grown up centrist "most people that make it to be an MP are decent people who want the best for the country and just have different ideas what that should be" and you see him stepping on a bunch of obvious Labour Right rakes.

"1) Eject Corbyn 2) Piss off the membership 3) Empower donors" might be written on an MI5 whiteboard, but it's definitely written on Stephen Kinnock's, and Keir Starmer: International Man of Mystery sounds too cool for him compared to Keir Starmer: Wet Egg.

It's interesting to consider whether the state and capital in general would benefit from a destroyed Labour Party and a bunch of ejected lefties running around outside doing new and interesting things. That seems like an unpredictable situation with emergence as a possibility. Compare it to the old predictable Labour Party, in favour of restrained capitalism, that contains a demoralised, marginalised left constantly trying to gain control of the party and failing, or partially succeeding and getting forced into compromise with the party right then being stabbed in the back. Not exactly a threat to capital or the state, is it? After all, restraints can be overturned eventually with application of enough money.

Thinking about it this way, if Keith is a plant, he's tremendously incompetent and keeps tripping over his own dick over and over again in precisely the wrong way to stabilise the party; I'm not discounting that possibility tbh

# ¿ Nov 28, 2020 20:22

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election time is but a window.

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Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1333036330130018305?s=20

the dreaded JEBEMY ORCEBYN strikes again!

no sign of this being a process with multiple decision-making participants or anything with multiple facets to it; no recognition that any of Keith's decisions could have helped lead to this point

actually, thinking about it, he's admitting that he's purely reactive; his responses are determined only by the actions of the dreaded CROBYN. NPC Starmer

# ¿ Nov 29, 2020 14:57

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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Look, it's very simple: Keith and friends are Centrism Automatons, magical ham constructs, whereas Jeremy Corbyn has free will. so it's unfair to blame the leadership and everything is Corbyn's fault.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2020 17:46

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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an inspiring message!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1333498533521936384

# ¿ Nov 30, 2020 21:10

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# ¿ Jun 3, 2024 02:24

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

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Arnie as the Terminator was more capable of conveying genuine human emotion than Keir "T600" Starmer

# ¿ Nov 30, 2020 21:30

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