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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Powerful Two-Hander posted:

This is true and I'm kind of interested why this is, the rest of [UK] society hasn't significantly changed but I saw some article quoting the average student spending something like £40 a month on booze and that wouldn't have got me through a week back then even before you look at inflation.

With teenage social interation moving more and more online (both due to easy of use and parents letting kids out less) there's less meeting up in person, hence less opportunities to start drinking/smoking/ having sex. It's notable in most stats that both teenagers and 18-25s are more prudish and restrainted than previous generations, as/because they are more stressed and anxious than ever.

Also fruity ciders are the new alcopops - sweet drinks that don't taste like alcohol.

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


The Home Office is not fit for purpose, and the government itself knows this. There's a reason the new researcher visa boris announced as part of "Global Britain" isn't actually administered by the home office, but by UKRI - because they can't trust the home office to let people in that are wanted here.

Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Sep 7, 2020

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Guavanaut posted:


"Non-EU migration highest for decades" is something that the right wing rags decided to be mad about last month (graph is from The Sun so may just be made up).

It's still too much of a pain, but I think the government genuinely is opening up a bit, if only for the Bad Reasons (makes businesses and landlords money).

Like, the government announced opening up to 2.7 million Hong Kong residents recently. While I don't think the details have been announced yet and how many will actually leave isn't yet clear, it's still going to be big bump in numbers next year if even 50,000 decide to leave.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Darth Walrus posted:

Surprise, surprise, our very first shot at a vaccine for a wholly new disease doesn't seem to be working out, despite all the government hype:

https://twitter.com/carlsmcqueen/status/1303467185344479233?s=21

Yea this isn't any proof there's something wrong with the vaccine - it might be unrelated, might only be a risk to those with certain other conditions, might be a 1/100,000 event that doesn't make the vaccine useless - and has no bearing on it's effectiveness. You just can't continue to inject people with it till you know the answers to those questions, which is why vaccine trials take time.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


thespaceinvader posted:

Don't even bother stealing them, just email the author of record, chances are they'll be happy to send you a copy.

It's less effort to steal them, and given how often some academics take to respond to emails much faster to.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


goddamnedtwisto posted:

According to the news this morning this isn't even the first time the trial has been paused, and the expert (who might admittedly have been a pharma sales rep, it was fair and balanced Radio 4 after all) said this was just a thing that happens, and noted that it's almost always something completely unrelated or at least very unlikely to be related, and that the delays for this sort of thing are factored into the timetable for testing.

Which, if true, makes you wonder why this got so much publicity and would (in a world where actions had consequences) might lead people to investigate any large movements in AstraZeneca's shares over the last few days (or those of their competitors, for that matter)

The New York Times broke the story last night from a source they had who knew of the event, which happened in the UK. American journalists reaching out to transnational sources? Or someone reaching out to them with the news?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


The Question IRL posted:

So the Attorney General has made a statement about the upcoming Brexit legislation.


https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/status/1304066214596153345?s=21

As has been pointed out by others, that if a First Year law student tried giving that definition of Dualisim, you’d fail them.

Totally normal for 2020.

I don't think anyone ever challenged if it was legal or not? Just that it's a loving terrible idea.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Grey Hunter posted:

So what are the chances of another legal challange on the government? I know they were looking at some way of stopping them, as Boris doens't want to have to follow pesky laws.

Someone else may correct me on this but Legally this is something the government can do - parliamentary sovereignty and all - but it's a bloody stupid idea, and the attorney general gave a terrible legal defence of it even though it's something any law student should be ae to write a passing essay on.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


The sad thing is thats more effort than most uni admins have put into online planning.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Once you've done it for one meeting, it's the default for future meetings, so they can see your grandeur in the future.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


bornbytheriver posted:

Dear UKMT goons, I would be grateful for your advice on the landlord's notice requesting to vacate the property.

I live in London, in an old house divided into 3 flats. Last Friday, the letting agency that is managing the property on behalf of the landlord sent an email to all 3 tenants advising that the house has been sold and that the new owner intends to remodel the house in light of which they want all tenants to leave by Nov. 20th.

I've lived at this property since 2012, never missed paying rent.

When I signed the assured shorthold tenancy agreement in July of 2012 for the intial term of the tenancy of 12 months, the landlord was working with a letting agent that never bothered renewing the contracts despite me calling them in 2013 when the first 12 months expired and later in the year to ask if they are going to formalise an extension of some sort, they said: no, if you are staying, don't worry, you are fine. Fast forward to 2018, this letting agent shut its offices and transferred everything to the letting agency that is now requesting to vacate the property. The current letting agency had never bothered asking if I have any plans to move either, the only thing that I had to do differently is to pay rent to this agent rather than the landlord. But when they sent an architect to assess the building 4 months ago, they had repeatedly told to all tenants that the new buyer was going to continue letting the flats and that we had nothing to worry about. This, of course, was a flat out lie.

What are my rights in this situation? I am really frightened to go out and look for another flat in a covid laced city and surroundings, and have nowhere like family to park temporarily. According to Shelter, 'if the notice is served between 29 August 2020 and 31 March 2021 inclusive of, the minimum notice period is six months, unless exceptions apply'. Do I understand correctly that I can tell the letting agency that I would like to exercise my right to stay 6 months? Can they do something to counter this?

Thank you.

Others have gone into more detail but yea the letting agency are having you on. Selling a house with tenants in situ does nothing for their rental contract or rights, if the new landlord wants to kick the tenants out how has to go through the whole months long process. Often sale of a property is conditional on tenents moving out for this reason.

If you know the letting agent has a key to your place you might want to change the lock to prevent any funny business but tell them to gently caress off - if the landlord wants you out faster than 6 months you could try asking him to pay you off, but that's if you find somewhere else to move via virtual viewing.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


NotJustANumber99 posted:

Need the two other flats to be in on it.

Also yea you should let the other two flats know they dont have to leave either - tenants knowledge of rental law is atrocious in the UK and letting agents get away with breaking it all the time because people don't know they are breaking it.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


forkboy84 posted:

The Royal Astronomical Society say they think they've found evidence of microbes in the clouds of Venus, something to do with phosphene. Anyway, that's maybe cool

There's probably some extremophiles floating around up there, and they know this because they are releasing phosphine to replace for not having any oxygen to make CO2 with. The really interesting bits are in what this signifies - either life evolved up there (which I'd find insanely unlikely as it's such a hostile enviroment for complex biochemical to evolve from nothing). Or it's the remnants of what life used to live on Venus, before it became ths hell pit it is today. Either way, the value of a venus probe just shot up - if we could get samples of these things, it would be a huge moment in our understanding of biochemistry and the beginnings of life. Do these things even usr DNA or RNA? Are they even carbon based? How do they solve the myraid problems of living, and what do similarities and differences tell us about the origin of life?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


goddamnedtwisto posted:

It's autumn, they're grabbing everything they can while they can.

Speaking of, I've started noticing gaps in the bog roll shelves.

You sure that's not just students going back?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


It's easy to just look at 60,000 dead, and think that it is a terrible number, that more should come of it. But 600,000 people die every year in the UK. 660,000 dying instead is a bump - one that registers more in statistics than our feelings, especially when those who die are those most cloistered from society to begin with.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


The Tories killing 60,000 people is obviously a bad thing - but it's important to understand why others don't realise what we do, and to think about how to convince others of the scale of the crime committed, rather than just rage at the world for not coming to the same understanding we do.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


What the media and Keir are studiously ignoring is that most of the votes labour lost in the red wall didn't go to the Tories - they either didn't vote or went to the brexit party. Tory vote share didn't raise much, labours just plummeted.

For Example, Vale of Clwyd, which was the first-reporting seat of 2019 and indicated the night to come.

2017

Labour - 19,423
Tory - 17,044
PC - 1,551
Lib Dem - 666

Turnout of 68%

2019

Labour - 15,443 (-3980)
Tory - 17,270 (+236)
PC - 1,552 (+1)
Lib Dem - 1,471 (+805)
Brexit - 1,477 (+1477)

Turnout of 65.7%

The Tories didn't win anymore votes in 2019 than they did in 2017 - which we almost won. The 2017 labour coalition of voters collapsed, due to Brexit and sustained media attack on Labour. And Kier isn't trying to bring them back, instead of focusing on this mythical Labour-Tory swing voter.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


You need something like... 40 MPs to force a labour leadership election IIRC? And ths SCG is about 30. If you think that Starmer would lose a leadership election now, there's paths to forcing him out, either by rules or by violence.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Tarnop posted:

Still waiting to your path to socialism through voting Labour

still waiting to your path to socialism through not voting Labour

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


But it was not a consensus position at all that a second ref was bad - while the priority FBPE put on it was mocked, losing the young city dwelling intellectual voters to the lib dems would have been as fatal as losing Brexit supporting northerners to Labours chances. A muddle through compromise abd trying to focus the election on domestic politics - as we did in 2019 - was supported by many people here, and trying to pretent "we were all always against a second ref" is just mythmaking.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Tarnop posted:

Good job no one is doing that then

Of course, no one here has said Starmer personally masterminded the brexit policy to sink labour and become leader at all. Or ignored the fact that many party members on the left were pushing for a 2nd ref position aswell. We lost the last election because of brexit, but that brexit position wasn't masterminded by the right, it's one many here thought would work at the time.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Once you are in government, you can implement whatever policies you want. It's getting their that's the tricky bit.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Stormgale posted:

This is a pretty dangerous path to go down, wherein someone is trans because of a biological state that is "empirical". Someone is trans because they are they state so and nothing more, and I'd really feel uncomofrtable going beyond that as how does this idea work for non-binary people for example.

While I appreciate the concern - that a trans person would have to be tested to be "truly" trans - there being an element of biological determinism in gender identity doesn't change the fact that societies construct most elements of it or that soceities can and have created more gender labels to people to identify with. I don't think it's a easy discussion to have though.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Darth Walrus posted:

This is a... surprising point of principle for him to stick to:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1308817247675256833?s=21

Yea, while "the scottish people have the right to their own self-determination, even if I personally don't think independence is good for them" is a good take, that's the principle he holds to against the tides of gammons declaring otherwise?

Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Sep 23, 2020

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


feedmegin posted:

Soooo, just found out my landlord is trying to sell the house I live in, lads. He arranged a 'viewing' yesterday but was cagy when my wife asked him what sort of viewing. Well, when they came round one of them let slip they were his agent from Foxton's, so, I did a bit of sleuthing, and behold I found the ad online.

Now, I live in the ground floor of this place - https://www.foxtons.co.uk/properties-for-sale/ig11/chpk2939519 (the upper two floors have all the doors locked, everything shut off, so no, I'm not enjoying a giant three floor mansion like I'm Hugh Hefner or anything). The landlord has tried and failed twice to get the council to give him planning permission to have it as a HMO with rooms for a bunch of single people, which was his original plan; he's made a third application, pending as of last month. How up front he's been with potential buyers about that I don't know, but planning applications are publicly available online so if I thought to check I assume they do too. Not that the landlord has said word one to me about any of this, of course, I had to have the sense to look it up online.

My tenancy comes to an end in January or so. How does this work with giving notice of tenancy etc? I know that there's something due to Corona where right now landlords have to give six months' notice. Does that happen with a tenancy coming to it's scheduled end too, i.e. he'd have to give me notice right now if he wanted me out before April?

So tired of moving house. I've had to do it each and every year to 18 months since moving back to the UK 8 years ago and about half the time it's been because of the landlord selling the place out from under me.

Selling the house doesn't change your rental contract or remove the 6 month notice requirement for your new landlord, so you won't have to move till August at the earliest anyways.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Powerful Two-Hander posted:

This is an interesting one because if you take their justification at face value (lol) it's that it's coal used for steel production etc. and this gets into the not often discussed problem that industrial production of steel ( and notably concrete) is a massive carbon producer that just gets quietly ignored because it doesn't tie to something most people can relate to.

Like coal burns, generate power, waste it posting on the Internet is a clear line. Coal burns, steel gets made, widgets get produced, widgets used to produce more widgets which are shipped by amazon less so.

Coke for Steel production is about 3% of global carbon emissions last time I checked, which doesn't sound like much but when you realise that's on the same scale as all air travel worldwide it's quiet a big deal.

It's also why planting forests/developing carbon offsetting technologies is so important - not all emissions can be stopped, so offsetting the stuff that produces GHG naturally like steel/cement/cows is as important as stopping emissions from fossil fuel use.

That swedish pilot plant is interesting, we'll have to see if if ends up viable or they find it isn't workable or cost efficent in practise.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Guavanaut posted:

Don't forget that Rhodes' race fetishism was specifically for the 'Anglo-Saxon race', as part of a system where Irish were questionably 'white'

and 'Scotch' Highlanders ranked lower than high caste Indian princes


White supremacy is not just 'darker = worse', it's a whole system of stupid bullshit to justify why failsons in Hertfordshire should be superior to everyone else.

I don't like using white supremacy for the brand of racism that ran the british empire for this reason - white supremacy better describes the American outlook where the lowest white ethnic minority was still far above black people in delivered respect, while the racism that ran the british empire was happy to discriminate against you for speaking the wrong language with the wrong accent and following the wrong religion regardless of your skin colour.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Endjinneer posted:

We've had hydrogenchat on this thread before and there is such obvious low hanging fruit here. You could take surplus energy from the Yorkshire coal biomass power stations and North Sea windfarms, turn it into hydrogen and rebuild the dying steelworks at Scunthorpe as a zero-carbon process. All you have to do is copy the Swedish plant which is aiming for market production in 2026.
Shall we do that?
No. Let's spend the next five years digging a coal mine 150 miles away from the steelworks along crap, overloaded railway lines. I doubt we'll even have any domestic steel production left by the time they get the coal out.

Imagine having surplus energy. And hydrogen is a bitch to transport or store away from the site of use, because it's so light and mobile it floats through things. 150 miles is a heck of alot shorter than sourcing the stuff from Poland, Brazil or china aswell.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


I remember someone running the numbers on how big the explosion would ne if it went off after Beruit and thankfully it's nowhere near as bad - mostly just shatting windows in the nearest coastal town and a small surge. Still kinda stupid to leave it sitting their though.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

The Channel 4 news segment points out that there's a giant gas storage facility in the blast range though. And container ships full of gas sail by it all the time. Did they run the numbers on that?

Blast range is bit that can get hit by shockwave, not range of fireball, it's not going to suddenly ignite the place If a gas ship went over the top at the same time (or anything with volatile cargo) it would be very messy indeed, but given it's not gone off spontaneously for 75 years that's a pretty low risk

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Well I got a list of about 15 jobs, but one of then was what I was already doing at least.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Guavanaut posted:

Also Africa is handling it pretty well, because they're throwing the epidemic control teams built up from HIV, Ebola, and cholera at something comparatively weakass.

The West are either ignoring this or saying its because all the sick Africans already died because God forbid a bunch of Old Etonians do something as uncivilized as learn something from a Black person.

Eh, the demographics (lots of young people, not many olds) are in their favour as far as deaths go, but yea having policies from the start of "our healthcare is poo poo so don't let it get bad enough for hospitals" is much better than having to switch to that mode of thinking this year only.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Eh, given the greens were running at about 2% most of Corbyns tenure shows that Starmer is actually pulling more libs into voting labour, they are just balanced out by lefties leaving to vote green. Who'd have though people don't vote for you when you break your promises?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


SpicePro posted:

Thanks for reminding me of this, hey £50 is £50, that's one bag of rice in 2021 UK brexit.

For anyone wondering the link you need is here

On the topic of "free money", several banks are offering £100 bonuses for switching atm. Some of them require you to put a certain amount of money in, but the Lloyds one doesn't - if you open a bank account with monzo or starling via your phone, then "switch" the empty account to a lloyds one they'll give you £100 for a few hours paperwork. Details here from MSE

Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 9, 2020

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Continuity RCP posted:

Who do I have to bribe to earn 30 grand

Do something less useful which moves numbers on a spreadsheet around instead.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Endjinneer posted:

I think the better treatment is a big factor here. Fatality rate is in effect a function of infection rate. We're not yet rationing hospital capacity so positive cases can get treatment. Once hospitals fill up with COVID or flu patients and we're back in the "call 999 only after you stop breathing" territory like in April the disease will become more frequently fatal.

We also are much better at treating those who do go into ICU than we were back in March/April. We've got a better idea of the causes of death, and know what to look out for rather than sticking patients on ventilators. Also we've got evidence a few existing drugs work at lowering mortality (Remdesivir decreases death chances in severe patients by 30% for example), Of course, this is only useful while we have the beds and staff for treatment.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


ThomasPaine posted:

If the French government was acting the way ours is, there would be ongoing riots, and indeed there frequently have been over the past few years. You're right that probably the great majority of Brits are, if not well-off, managing to scrape by just about alright, but there's something beyond that. There is absolutely something in the character of a significant segment of British society that considers any kind of political discussion poor etiquette, and finds the idea of actually physically doing anything to change things extralegally abjectly horrifying.

Sure, but the French are unusal in that regard, not the British. Liberalism as an ideology and culture distains the use of violence to change society, and does not glorify the history in which liberalism was borne of violence, unlike some other ideologies.

This seeps into all western culture - where the only legitimate use of force is to enforce the laws of the state. To use violence for your own gain and goals is at best tragically flawed and usually a sign of villainy and uncivilized behaviour (superheros). And in many ways the newest generations are the most liberal and cosmopolitan of any in the past - tolerant of many more cultures and expressions of sexuality than their forebears. With this also comes the pacifism of liberialism, the belief that indervidual violence is both morally wrong and counterproductive.


Tl;dr: it's not the british it's liberalism.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Communist Thoughts posted:

TBH choosing between all the countries on earth to be born in the UK wouldn't be that high no.

I have friends and family from all over the world and there's nothing that intrinsically makes the UK super great in comparison to any of these places. Off the top of my head... We used to have prestigious universities?

I dunno, saying Britain is near the TOP of countries in the world to be born in is mega old man in pub energy. If you were to say upper half that seems reasonable.

I don't understand how barbaric people like that think the rest of the world is.
Generally even comparing developing countries to the UK you're trading good stuff for bad stuff in both directions

By population, you're landing in the top 10%-20% globally by being born in the UK I'd reckon. That's a pretty lucky place to be, and fairly near the top.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Collapses are rarely predictable in their timing, but if anything america will go first.

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Darth Walrus posted:

America is half a continent with massive material wealth and military power, and it hasn't just slathered itself in barbecue sauce and leapt into the lions' den that is WTO trade without a great power backer. No deal Brexit is going to be far more catastrophic for the UK than any of Trump's mad bullshit, because the UK really doesn't have anything going for it as an economic entity except extremely portable (and therefore removable) financial services and rapidly-evaporating imperial nostalgia.

Sure, but the american state and institutions are looking a hella more fragile right now than the british ones, and as we all know wealth means jack poo poo if those in power refuse to distribute it to solve problems.

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