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CainFortea posted:It would be super cool if maybe everyone remembers the last time an AWB happened and how good that was for republicans and maybe perhaps learn from the past? Did the 1994 AWB enjoy the same level of political support that modern efforts at gun control do? I remember it sunsetting but don't know anything about its formulation.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:29
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Personally think instead of banning guns we should have gun socialism. Everyone making under 65k gets a gun. Lets see how fast it takes for republicans to start wailing about Gun Control.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:30
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Defenestrategy posted:Personally think instead of banning guns we should have gun socialism. Everyone making under 65k gets a gun. All’s it took was Black Panthers on the state house steps and Ronald Regan was pro gun control.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:31
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Grip it and rip it posted:Did the 1994 AWB enjoy the same level of political support that modern efforts at gun control do? I remember it sunsetting but don't know anything about its formulation. The only way it got passed was because of the sunset provision, from what I remember.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:31
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Grip it and rip it posted:Did the 1994 AWB enjoy the same level of political support that modern efforts at gun control do? I remember it sunsetting but don't know anything about its formulation. Well in 89 a gallup poll showed a support of 72% so yes.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:35
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Grip it and rip it posted:Did the 1994 AWB enjoy the same level of political support that modern efforts at gun control do? I remember it sunsetting but don't know anything about its formulation. It passed as part of a larger crime bill in the 103rd Congress, which saw a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. It passed the House 235-195 (46 Republicans voted yes, 131 voted no; 188 Democrats voted yes, 64 voted no), but that's for the bill itself. According to Wikipedia the AWB subsection itself passed the Senate 52-48, and only after they built in an expiration date. The bill also included the Violence Against Women Act, so it's difficult to really extract from the voting records how much support the AWB itself had.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:37
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CainFortea posted:Well in 89 a gallup poll showed a support of 72% so yes. And yet the Republicans were able to use it as a key wedge issue for the rest of the 90’s and early 2000s. Single issue gun voters peeled off enough support for Gore in 2000 that it led to the whole Florida mess.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:38
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davecrazy posted:Single issue gun voters peeled off enough support for Gore in 2000 that it led to the whole Florida mess. And there are probably a bunch out there this time too! Too bad nobody in Congress now was around to see that.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:41
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McNally posted:Yeah but that was almost 30 years ago, surely none of the people involved are still in Congress. Ponder this: Johnny Carson used to dunk on Joe Biden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9B4OeoQVfw
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Sep 30, 2020 20:41
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CainFortea posted:Well in 89 a gallup poll showed a support of 72% so yes. Keep in mind 89 was when that guy took an AK into a California school and that’s how the import ban and 922(r) comes from. I expect that number might have been tied to that. Also in expect to hear this from CHUDs on repeat news. https://twitter.com/isaacdovere/status/1311393485677907969?s=21
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Sep 30, 2020 21:01
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Keep in mind 89 was when that guy took an AK into a California school and that’s how the import ban and 922(r) comes from. I expect that number might have been tied to that. What's the story there? I'm unfamiliar with school shootings pre columbine except for mondays girl
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Sep 30, 2020 21:15
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Midjack posted:And there are probably a bunch out there this time too! Too bad nobody in Congress now was around to see that. It's both frustrating and satisfying to see my arguments 5 years ago coming back around.
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Sep 30, 2020 21:16
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Also in expect to hear this from CHUDs on repeat news. I have something dumber. Donnie's people have been saying that he won the debate 66-34. You'll never guess where he got that information! https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1311350729555152896?s=19
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Sep 30, 2020 21:23
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Milo and POTUS posted:What's the story there? I'm unfamiliar with school shootings pre columbine except for mondays girl The Stockton Shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(Stockton)
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Sep 30, 2020 21:37
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McNally posted:And there's probably an argument to be made that many of the people who want stricter gun control don't know what laws currently exist and just think you can buy a 249 at a gunshow. Technically you can! In semi-auto form, but gunborker vs a gun show. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879733210 I just don't see someone walking around with that kind of cash at a gun show though. Used to see expensive rear end rifles and class 3 poo poo at gun shows all the time though, so who knows?
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Sep 30, 2020 21:41
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Technically you can! In semi-auto form, but gunborker vs a gun show. Vendors at shows can usually take credit cards. I had also meant to specify "buy a 249 without a background check at a gunshow"
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Sep 30, 2020 21:52
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Yeah, something tells me you wouldn't just see a dude walking around with a saw on his shoulder and a sign on his back with a ridiculous price on it looking for a private sale. But 2020....
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Sep 30, 2020 21:59
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Yeah, something tells me you wouldn't just see a dude walking around with a saw on his shoulder and a sign on his back with a ridiculous price on it looking for a private sale. I picturing Bruce Willis in the sandwich board, but with a machine gun
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Sep 30, 2020 22:08
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We had two semi auto 249 at the shop I worked at. The full stock and the para. Sold both, one for cash. Someone paid 11k for that garbage.
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Sep 30, 2020 22:15
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RFC2324 posted:I picturing Bruce Willis in the sandwich board, but with a machine gun They could have left that scene on the cutting room floor and been fine. And written a better ending (did the dozens of battle hardened rifle toting terrorists just quietly surrender to the border patrol off camera?) Other than that, good stuff especially the Central Park taxi drive.
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Sep 30, 2020 22:17
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Hyrax Attack! posted:They could have left that scene on the cutting room floor and been fine. And written a better ending (did the dozens of battle hardened rifle toting terrorists just quietly surrender to the border patrol off camera?) Other than that, good stuff especially the Central Park taxi drive. Honestly the movie works so well despite Willis and because of Samuel L Jackson and Jermey Irons. Also for bullshit plot excuse logic. They were in Canada and figured they wouldn’t be extradited to the US due to the death penalty and Canada would be an easy prison run. 
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Sep 30, 2020 22:23
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After last night, if you are still on the Trump Train, I no longer view you as a fellow Countrymen.
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Sep 30, 2020 23:43
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A house divided against itself cannot stand. Here comes the troubles. 
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Sep 30, 2020 23:56
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bulletsponge13 posted:After last night, if you are still on the Trump Train, I no longer view you as a fellow Countrymen. Just after last night? And aren't we already having low-level Troubles? Just with pickups instead of car bombs?
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Sep 30, 2020 23:58
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What's wrong after last night? He put the Proud Boys on standby, after all.
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Oct 1, 2020 00:09
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stealie72 posted:Just after last night? Doing some wikipedia calculations I was able to figure about ~130 casualties on average every month during the Troubles. The average population hovers around 4.5 million during that time period. So .03%, equivalently in the US we'd be seeing 99,300 casualties every year or 8275 per month. So a twenty-fifth as bad Troubles would be about 331 casualties every month.
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Oct 1, 2020 00:14
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Defenestrategy posted:Doing some wikipedia calculations I was able to figure about ~130 casualties on average every month during the Troubles. The average population hovers around 4.5 million during that time period. So .03%, equivalently in the US we'd be seeing 99,300 casualties every year or 8275 per month. So a twenty-fifth as bad Troubles would be about 331 casualties every month.  that this calculation has become a monthly feature of the CE threadE: cause I did it last time
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Oct 1, 2020 00:27
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I never in a million years imagined we'd come full circle -- just work in a mention of COVID and this could have been written yesterday: https://youtu.be/HVGg_5grOTg
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Oct 1, 2020 00:44
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https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1311448238499737606?s=21
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Oct 1, 2020 00:49
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But that is not what my favorite good (great) President said last night. I'm beginning to think this Trump character might not be trustworthy
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Oct 1, 2020 00:56
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Midjack posted:I don’t think we can pin the entirety of the 1994 elections on gun control backlash but I could see 2022 being a repeat if Party D takes Congress and the Presidency in 2020 and starts huffing their own farts out of a scuba tank. Good chance Roberts will finally let some gun measures be heard, and with a solid conservatives majority due to RGB's replacement...
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Oct 1, 2020 01:05
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TCD posted:Good chance Roberts will finally let some gun measures be heard, and with a solid conservatives majority due to RGB's replacement... Actually it’s Roberts whose been holding those up. The other conservatives don’t think they can count on his support. With ACB he becomes somewhat irrelevant.
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Oct 1, 2020 01:11
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shame on an IGA posted:
What is old is new again! The cycle of posting life.
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Oct 1, 2020 01:14
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Actually it’s Roberts whose been holding those up. The other conservatives don’t think they can count on his support. With ACB he becomes somewhat irrelevant. Oh, the irony that I got into guns to defend myself and my POC wife against chuds post-Charlottesville and that it may be chud appointees who ultimately allow me to continue to do so while the party that I agree with on every other issue wouldn’t.
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Oct 1, 2020 01:29
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Oh, the irony that I got into guns to defend myself and my POC wife against chuds post-Charlottesville and that it may be chud appointees who ultimately allow me to continue to do so while the party that I agree with on every other issue wouldn’t. Welcome to the club.
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Oct 1, 2020 01:35
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Oh, the irony that I got into guns to defend myself and my POC wife against chuds post-Charlottesville and that it may be chud appointees who ultimately allow me to continue to do so while the party that I agree with on every other issue wouldn’t. Yup.
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Oct 1, 2020 02:02
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Keep going left and you get your guns back.
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Oct 1, 2020 02:26
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Back in the 90s almost nobody gave a poo poo about assault weapons. The only people into guns were the old gomer hunters and people who wanted some little handgun for self defense. The handful of AR15s and magazines floating around became modestly more valuable as pre ban guns, and there were still loopholes for imported guns. I personally sold a shitload of AK47s during the 90s. It wasn't really a law that affected many people or even got a lot of notice in the gun community at the time. Some people still freaked and sold anti-Clinton T shirts at gun shows of course, but it would be a totally different story today. I don't even know anyone who hunts anymore. They didn't even have anti-tilt magazine followers or light barrels or anything back then, AR15s were just kind of lovely guns.
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Oct 1, 2020 02:29
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I had a ban era mini-14 and it shot better than my uncles' AR15 did at the time. Like, '95ish, because I bought it new. There were definitely some poorly built mini-14s at the time though too. But Ruger branded 30 & 40 round mags fed like a dream.
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Oct 1, 2020 03:06
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Not to derail gunchat but, in honor of our current president, I present to you the current song: https://youtu.be/qBvU-mZi3Xw6 I just realized I'm rambling, but I can't stay sober right now. E: I just realized I said some stupid things so, I'll just leave this with the link I originally posted. Shaddak fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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