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 if you don't need more convincing here's the do something thread. inspired by the gun thread this is a multi-disciplinary thread that will inevitably meld some other megathreads together ideally less about theory and more about praxis this is not a prepping thread, because prepping is storing nuts for winter. this is planting nuts so they grow. the ideal post is an affordable technique available to most and which is valuable in an optic of local, sustainable development at the micro and macro levels in the face of an unreliable social safety net youtubers:  Bored As gently caress posted:Seconding Primitive Technology. It's a great channel. Books:--------------------------------------------------------------------------  ~~Bushcraft~~ https://www.amazon.ca/Browns-Field-...ps%2C171&sr=8-1 critical reading:you need to adapt your ~~bushcraft~~ theory to your local environment. what happens if you follow a guide on reading the stars and you don't take in account that you are in the southern hemisphere? animal tracks: https://www.amazon.ca/Tracking-Art-...99060717&sr=8-1 mushrooms: https://www.amazon.ca/National-Audu...99060741&sr=8-2 edible plants: https://www.amazon.ca/Peterson-Field-Guide-Edible-Plants/dp/039592622X critical reading: learn how to use a dichotomous key philosophy: https://www.amazon.ca/Essential-Wri...&s=books&sr=1-7 I can vouch for these^ critical reading: i also highly recommend you go spend 4 days in the woods with nothing. to see how good actual civilization is please do it safely tho. tell someone where you will be and when youre coming back I would like it to be very clear to everyone that lone wolf survival in the woods, while doable, requires decades of on-the-field experience. For most people this is a non-option. Homesteading is the actual real option for most people. On the other hand, none of the skills you learn from dirt time in the woods are a waste. The forest is a great psychiatrist. ~~~growing edible food instead of having to eat disgusting roots~~~~-----------------------------  https://www.amazon.ca/Permaculture-...9059749&sr=8-12 This I could use a better ressource if anyone has^ https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07K15XHYR?linkCode=gs2&tag=420grow03-20 Gardening is a very simple activity and its very relaxing. You can do it anywhere! and then you can can your 5 trillion tomatoes Also wondering if it would be easy to grow edible (non-magic) mushrooms using the techniques used for the latter? Seems compact and adequate for a city apartment and such. Anyone try it? i'm aware ownership of land is a distant dream for most but price is extremely variable per region, and soil is the real gold Critical reading: hardiness zones ~~canning your produce~~~ (its way easier than you think)-----------------------------------------  https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/publications_usda.html Canners are cheap. Make sure you buy a pressure canner (they also sell pressure cookers). ideally buy a large one, canning is a large quantity type activity, not molecular cuisine ---Affinity groups and local resilience---------------------------------------------  More seriously, have a like-minded affinity-group with a set contact point in case of an event. this could be your family's place, someone's farm, the local mcdonalds, etc. Make sure this contact point is well-known and aknowledged. basic first-aid everyone should know https://www.amazon.ca/Johns-Ambulan...99065010&sr=8-5 how the amish deal with constant burns and wounds from using fire-powered heat: https://kb.osu.edu/bitstream/handle/1811/87098/1/JAPAS_Hess_vol6-issue2_pp144-158.pdf https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1085&context=anthro_theses please take a first aid class. they're cheap and like most of the stuff here, will do wonders for your mental health and peace of mind. GUNS and self-defense ---self-reliance absolute minimum---------------------------------- i recommend looking up the government guidelines for your local area on disaster preparedness kits. they are, in the parlance, "bug-out bags" tailored to your local dangers e.g. tornadoes, earthquakes, flooding. again, remember they will vary per region. mine has at the absolute minimum 3 wool blankets, because if the heat goes out in winter it's less than 2 days before the whole apartment is frozen solid. the peace of mind alone is worth the monetary investment.  share ur experiences, pictures of ur garden, etc Testicular Torque Wrench has issued a correction as of 18:21 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Ask me about growing shitloads of tomatoes as I did that this year.
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 A skunk or a cat got this mouse and left it intact in the yard, so I tanned its hide. compared is a moose vertebra and some sort of mystery small skull?? Sylink posted:Ask me about growing shitloads of tomatoes as I did that this year. How's your setup? My brother grew some weed using a space bucket and I was thinking of using it to grow some tomatoes
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things ive bought this year: two 25lb bags of beans, 25lb bag of rice, Glock 22, AR-15
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lmao if you think there will be "wilderness" to run off into when a collapse of civilization happens guess what, it will be you and millions of other prepper idiots with a shotgun scrambling into the woods and trying to hunt anything bigger than a chickadee the only hope you have is to be in a place with strong, resilient community networks and actually establish meaningful, mutually supportive relationships with your neighbors and friends which means most goons are gonna die lmao
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sitchensis posted:lmao if you think there will be "wilderness" to run off into when a collapse of civilization happens i suggest you read the op before regurgitating your bile
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i actually know the area since I've spent a ton of time out there and they're pampered cul-de-sac cowboy dipshits so I will simply best them at the Most Dangerous Game, OP
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:
I posted a bunch in the Gardening thread. I use soil in a place called outside so I don't have to rely on buckets 
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sitchensis posted:the only hope you have is to be in a place with strong, resilient community networks and actually establish meaningful, mutually supportive relationships with your neighbors and friends yeah, organization is the single tool that all of civilization was built with
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:yeah, organization is the single tool that all of civilization was built with our modern social organization rests on the shoulder of giants how do you effectively organize a non-atomized community in a north-american setting? has there been a single succesful commune (does the ZAD count?) 
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Perhaps we should look towards the success of cults as models for community organization after the collapse
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a good skill to have would be to fix the structure of your house if the normal getting spots are hosed and you have no access to normal tools and supplies. this skill applies if the supply chains are borked or if you are dirt poor. you are unlikely to be evicted from your home if poop hits the fan, so what are you supposed to do with a perfectly fine home that usually has windows and water service, heating and cooling during the different seasons and as the structure starts to get damaged and the utilities are either non existent or spotty at best. this seems like the most likely failure mode for society. rather than running out and fabricating a cabin in the woods.
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:Perhaps we should look towards the success of cults as models for community organization after the collapse Isaac Asimov's Nightfall is written on this exact subject. A doomsday cult on an alien planet (which is an exact copy of ours) with permanent sunlight prophesizes the fall of night and the appearance of something called Stars, which will drive people crazy. They take precautions and get ready while people call them crazy. A group of university scientists eventually discover after the fact that the cultists are a non-religious rational organization which believes patriarchal authoritarianism is the best chance to rebuild their totally destroyed civilization.
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honestly prepping other than being vegetarian and able to maintain seed stores, and hoping no one takes them from you, is about all thats possible in most of the USA? you might think, oh I'll hunt for food. There are like 35 million deer in the USA. If somehow everything just stops, those deer are all dead in like two weeks. We don't have millions of bison roaming around, either. And if you live somewhere that gets cold, imagine every tree is now cut down within a winter because you need to keep warm. i suppose the best bet is somehow 99% of the population dies without destroying everything like The Stand.
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Torpor posted:this seems like the most likely failure mode for society. rather than running out and fabricating a cabin in the woods. i feel like people skipped over it and that it bears repeating from the op quote:i also highly recommend you go spend 4 days in the woods with nothing. to see how good actual civilization is i am fully of the opinion that non-atomized groups will be the only succesful way to endure any major societal stress. however i don't think there is easy space in these groups for people with modern skillsets like computer building. this thread is a call to action for people to learn valuable skills
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buy a gun with the lowest required maintenance easily replaced parts
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Even in the Mad Max series it wasn't like Fury Road right away. I suspect we'll go through, and seem to be currently in, a Judge Dredd phase.
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Sylink posted:you might think, oh I'll hunt for food. There are like 35 million deer in the USA. If somehow everything just stops, those deer are all dead in like two weeks. https://business.realtree.com/business-blog/america%E2%80%99s-deer-harvest-numbers posted:"Year in and year out, the whitetail deer reigns as America’s No. 1 big-game animal, with an annual harvest of roughly 6 million animals. Figures from 2015 as reported in the National Shooting Sports Foundation’s 2017 Industry Intelligence Report put the tally at 5,801,978." I wonder how that would translate in a social collapse. Less people would be able to go out hunting, but more would have a solid incentive to.
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By the way I run a bunch of webscrapers and made a category of survival books, I can look into making this list available (https://ghostbin.co/paste/h2mmc) if it's not considered a bannable offense ( )edit: looking at that list, i need to work on my classifier. dang
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Ask me about growing oyster mushrooms in a bucket.
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Lol at people wanting and adapting to live in a collapsed capitalist hellscape by growing small amounts of trash vegetables and collecting rainwater. Give me revolution or death.
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err posted:Lol at people wanting and adapting to live in a collapsed capitalist hellscape by growing small amounts of trash vegetables and collecting rainwater. Suicidal ideation itt. Go Weatherman some poo poo right now. Posting about revolution, lmao.
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i built a small solar power rig for about 700 bucks and it's really nice because the power in my denver suburb goes out three times a week. it's sized just so that if poo poo got weird i could keep the fridge running as well as all my gadgets and be able to use power tools
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Jonny 290 posted:i built a small solar power rig for about 700 bucks and it's really nice because the power in my denver suburb goes out three times a week. You should look into a chest fridge, they use significantly less power per unit^3 than a full upright one. The geometry of a chest vs a cabinet allows for better insulation in the chest shaped one.
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:Ask me about growing oyster mushrooms in a bucket. which strain? how strict is your temp/humidity control? which sterilization method are you using? what's your subtrate mix?
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:I wonder how that would translate in a social collapse. Less people would be able to go out hunting, but more would have a solid incentive to. You’d also have to add back the 1-2 million deer that get killed by cars every year
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:Suicidal ideation itt. Go Weatherman some poo poo right now. Posting about revolution, lmao. Maybe you can develop some sort of Soylent drink in a rusty wheelbarrow during collapse, soycuck.
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err posted:Maybe you can develop some sort of Soylent drink in a rusty wheelbarrow during collapse, soycuck. Hell yeah that sounds awesome.
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Trabisnikof posted:which strain? how strict is your temp/humidity control? which sterilization method are you using? what's your subtrate mix? Sure, this is what I do. Ingredients: Spores Grain Spawn Wood chips Bucket trash bag Spores Make a spore print from fruiting mushroom, or purchase from a third party. You can do a spore print, then store on an agar plate (which I've done), or you can purchase a premade agar print or spore syringe from a third party). I store the spores in a box in my refrigerator. They last for years in a dormant state and can be used indefinitely as a starter culture. 2. Grain spawn I use organic rye seed, but I hear good things from bird seed. For rye seed: hydrate in a bucket with 1 part coffee, 3 parts water, 1 tbsp gypsum for 24 hours. Take mixture and dump into pot, and bring to boil on stove for 15 min. Afterwards, drain and wash seeds in sink under cold water, then spread on baking sheets to cool. Let cool and dry out to the touch, usually takes 24 hours. Afterwards. put into half-full mason jars with aluminum foil top, or into specialty grain spawn bags. Pasteurize in pressure cooker for 120 min full pressure. Let cool off and remove from pressure cooker. Store bags on shelf somewhere for about a month. If there is no growth at the end of a month, and no condensation on bag, congrats, you have a sterile growth media! 3. Inoculate Inoculate growth media with a sliver from agar plate, or from spore syringe. Make sure you do this in a sterile environment with gloves on. I use a bunsen burner burning in front of inoculation spot to minimize air contaminants. Let the grain spawn colonize for about 1 week. take a look and make sure growth is completely white. That means it is healthy. Any discoloration on growth, throw out grain, as it is contaminated. Inoculation takes about a month. 4. Wood chips I use Aspen wood hamster bedding from pet store. Cover with hot water in container, and let sit for 24 hours. A way to sterilize media. 5. Bucket Take a 5 gallon bucket and lid and drill a bunch of 1/4 inch holes all over it. Use rubbing alcohol and wipe down all of inside and outside of bucket. Layer the wood chips and grain spawn over each other like you're making a layer cake. About an inch per layer til you get to top of bucket. cover with lid. cover with trash bag and place in dark corner. After a week, smell the bucket. If it smells like nothing, you've got a healthy spawn. After about a month, take the bucket, take the trashbag off, and put on a dark corner of your porch. Leave inside if temperature outside is above 80 degrees or below 65 degrees, in freedom units. 
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err posted:Maybe you can develop some sort of Soylent drink in a rusty wheelbarrow during collapse, soycuck. you could sand the rust away with horsetail  or just sand and a wet rag  Ferdinand the Bull posted:Sure, this is what I do. i'll try that this winter
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Make friends with your neighbors so they might hesitate to kill your marxist rear end
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:Sure, this is what I do. Thanks! I had done a bit of research but its always good to hear from people who've actually done it. Oysters do seem just incredibly easy to grow.
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you don't NEED a pressure canner unless you want to can low-acid things like non-pickled vegetables, meats, soups, stuff like that. if you just want to can things like all types of pickles, chutneys, jams, jellies, fruits, sauces, hot sauces, etc. then you can just get a regular water bath canner, which is really just a huge pot with a rack. really, the variety of things you can can with just a water bath canner is pretty high. I do water bath canning and have a couple shelves of stockpile, though it's all getting pretty old unfortunately. We didn't go through it or give it away fast enough. I'm not an expert but I know mostly what I'm doing, so AMA if you want. if there's interest I can make an effort post for beginners, or something too. There's also a GWS canning thread which I recommend, with a really good op: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3437802 e: here's an old photo of my canning shelves  top shelf is all jams, bottom is pickles, salsa and hot sauce Crusty Nutsack has issued a correction as of 22:48 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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I'm 100% of the opinion that if things get so bad we're trying to survive off bucket mushrooms we're all hosed and the only possible way to survive is by forming mutual aid communities with your neighbors and within your town and even then you're probably dead anyway, so I don't worry about it. But, it's a lot of fun to grow your own food, learn how to shoot, learn some basic carpentry skills, etc. I'm starting to get in to backcountry camping and it's been a blast. I'm going to do 4 nights in Garden of the Gods later this month and I can't wait!
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ive watched like 200 Townsend videos on youtube so i think im prepared
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for example, did you know you can make bricks out of some dirt and water and its relaly loving boring and exhausting and you'd rather be dead than do so?
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Giga Gaia posted:for example, did you know you can make bricks out of some dirt and water and its relaly loving boring and exhausting and you'd rather be dead than do so? "really loving boring and exhausting and you'd rather be dead than do so" describes a lot of things in my life so i could probably do it
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Has there ever been a real disaster where a bunch of self-reliant cottagecore skills actually matter at all? In real life it seems like when things go real bad you just become very poor and then operate under the limitations being very impoverished brings and not become some sort of low tech pioneer surviving on your wits in the wilderness. Like why don't poor people right now just get some aspen hamsterwood and grow mushrooms if they want to eat? If they aren't doing that now under a full society why am I going to be able to in a situation that is 1000x more dysfunctional? Am I just the protagonist and thus better at it all? Like a fun fantasy about an apocalypse is a nice way to motivate learning a fun DIY hobby recreationally but if you look at real situations, slums or refugee camps or homeless people or whatever, there is skills that help them, but they aren't really overlapping with the middle class people larping as homesteaders as a hobby skillset. Like these threads always come off as "well if I was homeless I'd simply DIY myself a home on my lathe" where it's missing the point of what limitations are and aren't relevant to people in those situations.
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