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DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

i legitimately feel that we are on a sinking ship and the best thing we can do is rearrange the shattered wreckage around us to live as comfortably as possible (and improve material conditions for the highest number of people) before the ship finally sinks, killing us all, within the next 75 years.

Why? What's the point, if you think that the human race will literally go extinct? I mean wouldn't the sensible case be to spend the rest of your life advocating for as many people to commit suicide as possible, before committing suicide yourself?

How many more years do you think you have left? How much longer do you want to live?

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DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

evilweasel posted:

...no? i'm inevitably going to die but that knowledge doesn't make me want to kill myself

Because the death of the self is not isomorphic to the death of the species. Your actions and the things you accomplish in life can have beneficial, positive impacts on other people presently existing, and can continue to have positive impacts on future people who come to exist after them, long after your death. If you sincerely believe that the human race is going to go extinct imminently, and in a violent and agonizing way, then the greatest good to be done would be to prevent as many future generations from existing as can be done - to get as many people to die now, while things are not as hellish. I am fine with dying in 50 or 60 years as long as I know that the human race will continue to exist, and that lives will get better overall, in the long run, than worse. But if I were to be convinced that the human race will end before that time, or to continue onwards until the natural extinction period of biological species is reached while living in a hellish, debased state of agonizing suffering and nihilistic war of all against all, then my calculus changes significantly.

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