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IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Just because lovely people are criticizing something for the wrong reasons doesn't mean something is actually good and needs to be defended.

Also, yes the actual issue with the film is how it was made, not the content or message of the film. I think it was made with good intentions, and has a good message. You can debate the merits of the film all day, but it doesn't change the fact that the film was made using 11 year olds that were deliberately sexualized. The film might have shown how horrifying and terrible this is and in context its obviously not meant to arouse. It doesn't change the fact that real children who are not able to fully give consent were used to make such scenes. When they grow up, they might be fine with the message and agree that it was worth doing, but that might not be the case and they might regret the film being out there. The damage can be long lasting which is why the film was made in the first place.

Also, children don't have complete agency. if children had complete agency, then the movie would have no reason to exist. No matter how mature an 11 year old may seem, their brain is literally not fully developed yet.

Roth posted:

The movie itself simply has a message of "The sexual exploitation of children is bad, and don't blame the children for it" and the only conversation with that is a never ending back and forth on if the things it does to achieve that point are justified or not. I'm not sure how you can have this kind of story without showing it happening, and it's a conversation that reminds me of people arguing that a movie with well shot violence is saying that violence is cool.

It could have been animated or used adult actors. It might not be as effective, but if prevents potentially hurting young actors then that is something that should be done. Simulated violence *usually* doesn't actually hurt anybody.

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IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Roth posted:

Are we certain the actress' were harmed by filming the scenes?

No we are not, and it will probably be awhile before we find out, but the problem is that the potential is there, because otherwise the film wouldn't need to be made in the first place.

IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Sep 14, 2020

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