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Yea that last review really sums up how absurd this all is. The movie is actually quite conservative in values and the entire point is the over-sexualization and rush to 'grow up' is bad and maybe we should just let kids be kids for a while. If it was a white mormon rear end movie it'd be on that godawful 'Pureflix' site or whatever and half these right wingers would be demanding to know why the sicko libs aren't nominating it for an oscar or whatever like they do whenever Sorbo makes a movie.
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Endorph posted:i mean, if you think we shouldnt use kids in movies at all, i can buy that argument, but thats an argument that extends far outside this one movie yea pretty much it's wild that somehow all these people suddenly decided the crusade of 'kids shouldn't be actors' needs to start right now because of this movie and not, ya know, years ago when literal pedophiles were running Nick and Disney was using its child stars terribly and all.
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Sep 14, 2020 18:39
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Also using Mara Wilson's thread as proof that the movie is exploitation is kinda rich, she herself said she's not really sure how she feels about it and her entire point was SHE got on child porn sites doing nothing but kid's movies, unless you think Matilda was also secret pedo code. The issue is how society treats women, even in their childhoods, and that issue is a lot deeper than 'movie bad'. Also the best way to fight that issue is to, you know, give space for women who have dealt with that exact conflict to tell their stories and speak to others, like this movie does.
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Sep 14, 2020 18:41
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Starks posted:I didn’t say it’s proof the movie is exploitation, my point was that there’s no way the children have the “agency” to understand these complicated feelings that child stars wrestle with well into adulthood, and that it’s not right to put them in this position. I think the story could’ve been told in a way that didn’t use twerking 11 year old actresses. but the point of that thread was that society as a whole treats them so poorly that children are sexualized loving walking down the street, and it's a much broader issue than 'hollywood issues'. The story is about children, that's just what it is, it's about an actual human being's actual journey that took place when she was an actual child, what are you going to do, have a stunt 21 year old gymnast for the dance scenes?
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Sep 14, 2020 19:03
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luxury handset posted:i believe there's a gendered component here where boys sexuality is often treated as a charming joke whereas girls sexuality is almost seen as dangerous and corrosive. and there's not a lot of implied threats about dads with shotguns threatening to shoot their cishet sons female dates for prom yea tbh this is the biggest annoying thing to me. Like, I do accept that there's a non-minor amount of people 'upset' over the movie who aren't Q freaks trying to say the scary black lady wants to abduct your children for a sex cult, but I can't help but wonder where all these people were when there were plenty of movies where young boys did lewd and absurd things as a joke. Like, if the stance is 'having a child around anything sexual is inherently exploitative of that child's lack of consent' that's fine, but where was this ~discourse~ during fuckin, I dunno, Bad Grandpa when Knoxville was having a kid talk about his grandpa's droopy prosthetic balls or something for a joke? Why was 'no see it's funny because it's a kid' a more valid reason than this movie actually trying to tell a story?
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Sep 14, 2020 20:10
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TrixRabbi posted:I get the sense is because the former makes your idiot brain laugh and the latter criticizes this practice, makes you feel uncomfortable and forces you to confront complex issues you would rather ignore. So it's easier to just get mad and say, 'No THEY'RE the ones at fault.' yea to be clear I'm not genuinely trying to be all 'oh wow so you guys have lady issues huh' or whatever, I do know 'haha that kid said he wants a blumpkin, he doesn't know what that fuckin is' and a more serious scene like the dance scene do hit different, it's just an annoying gap in the 'well it's all exploitative though' argument'.
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Sep 14, 2020 20:21
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Roth posted:I hate that my reaction to this stuff coming out is total non-surprise now. yea it sucks a ton of rear end that seeing 'oh yea and that director's been outed as, at best, a creep who made a lot of people needlessly uncomfortable, or at worst something far darker' just gets a 'ah, another then' reaction from me at this point.
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Sep 14, 2020 21:58
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Roth posted:You can switch it to French, though I'm way too out of practice with my French to tell if the subtitles are accurate. I'm also pretty out of practice but it seems like solid subbing to me
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Sep 15, 2020 22:17
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PT6A posted:No, that phrase is literally a component of the crime (at least here, and I assume by its inclusion, there as well). Even fully naked minors may be depicted if the work falls into one of those categories, because the law is against "child pornography" not "nude or near-nude children." The prosecution must prove that the work is pornographic in nature and I don't think anyone could make the case that's what happening here, even if one or more pedophiles get a boner. yea it's not just them being chuds, they literally have to show that there is zero artistic or political value in a story explicitly about a woman sharing her own experiences and hoping to reach parents of young girls like her to understand that perspective. Sharing one's perspective with the world is literally one of the definitions of art. Like, to be full on 'child porn' you have be making, you know, porn with kids, as in there's no real point to it other than getting the audience off, and it's a rough argument to make that a movie ending with the main character bursting into to tears in front of a shocked and disgusted audience is meant to give people a boner.
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yea I'm looking forward to the transcript of the obviously very normal and cool lawyer explaining how well OBVIOUSLY this movie about children is meant to be purely sexual as its primary function with nothing else to it, I mean just look at it, it's got, ya know, kids and...kids...and, you know...their bodies...the kids' bodies in outfits and all...I'm sorry what was the question?
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