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I have brought my laptop down to Beer Spot and am going to get drank and watch the debate and yell at Crusher. Good use of a Tuesday.
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Very confused by all of Collins's answers so far, she is saying normal National things but her eyebrows are raised so she is joking?
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Sep 22, 2020 08:10
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lol i thought it started at 7:30 https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-stream-first-leaders-debate-jacinda-ardern-v-judith-collins
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Sep 22, 2020 08:17
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Has jacinda talked about judith's hole yet
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Sep 22, 2020 08:19
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judy really isn't a great debater, but she's definitely bought into her own hype lol
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Sep 22, 2020 08:36
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"Ardern says now is the time to invest on those who are on the lowest wages, and Labour will do this by paying the minimum wage to contractors for the government. Collins says small business owners cannot pay the bills now. She says it's "really important" to double the depreciation rate." THE DEPRECIATION RATE
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Sep 22, 2020 08:43
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thats the first I've seen 'Learn to code' as a solution to employment problems in this country
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Sep 22, 2020 08:46
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exmarx posted:judy really isn't a great debater, but she's definitely bought into her own hype lol In The Hollow Men, Nicky Hager talks about an internal memo from Bill English that was leaked to him that basically says this.
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Sep 22, 2020 08:51
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Lexusbeat posted:thats the first I've seen 'Learn to code' as a solution to employment problems in this country im hugging my clipboard like john campbell
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Sep 22, 2020 08:55
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rma reform will solve poverty... gently caress yes dude !!!
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Sep 22, 2020 08:59
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https://twitter.com/jo_moir/status/1308305957932249089
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Sep 22, 2020 10:59
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that's my politics sandwich thank you i yield my time
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Sep 22, 2020 11:00
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who won the debates friends the neoliberal or the other neoliberal?
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El Pollo Blanco posted:who won the debates friends https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1308320877163900928
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Sep 22, 2020 11:23
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judith was so incoherent i can only assume it was a tactic. commentariat is saying she won.
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Sep 22, 2020 11:25
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did judy really defend her ownership of multiple homes by saying she didn't own them, her family trust did?
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it came off as less a defense than a legal requirement to make sure her acknowledging personal ownership of them wasn't caught on record.
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quote:Trish Sherson: Collins was pitch perfect quote:Morgan Godfery: Ardern is impossible to beat quote:Ben Thomas: Ardern was strangely hesitant Who won depends on who you already supported, like always. quote:Toby Manhire: Everyone is knackered quote:Justin Giovannetti: Who’d have been swayed? unless you're an editor at a news organisation that misspells its own name, in which case you have to stay ~*~neutral~*~
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Sep 22, 2020 11:41
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Most of the things I have seen suggest that Arden had a bad debate but still easily won it despite being a bit flat and boring. Also surely the sound bite from the debate is "My husband is Samoan. So talofa."
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Sep 22, 2020 11:53
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Finally some honest political analysis https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1308322028353585152?s=20
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Varkk posted:Most of the things I have seen suggest that Arden had a bad debate but still easily won it despite being a bit flat and boring.
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Sep 22, 2020 11:57
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farmers have anxiety because people in cities criticise them for not believing in climate change :'(
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exmarx posted:farmers have anxiety because people in cities criticise them for not believing in climate change :'( poor darlings. maybe we can give them a tax cut to make them feel better? perhaps relax some environmental protections?
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should I vote greens or top, plz advise
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vote top if you're a bottom.
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Gentle Autist posted:should I vote greens or top, plz advise If you're into being naive but well-intentioned, vote Green. If you're smug and perpetually wedged up your own butthole, and really get off on huffing your own farts, vote TOP.
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Gentle Autist posted:should I vote greens or top, plz advise TOP are dumbasses even if theyve managed to copy a handful of decent policies from the Greens and the Maori party this time. And also they don't really stand a chance of getting into parliament so you might as well be voting Aotearoa legalise cannabis party. Hope this helps.
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Varkk posted:Also surely the sound bite from the debate is "My husband is Samoan. So talofa." could someone clip this bit for me? It was so awful I must have it
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bike tory posted:lol doesn't surprise me, rocket lab is full of angry white wing dudes and the founder is a personal friend of a bunch of National party MPs (current and former) Hey we're not all bad  Although you're absolutely right about everything you said and more.
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Vagabundo posted:If you're into being naive but well-intentioned, vote Green. but i’m both of those things
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I know everyone likes to dump on TOP for being a bunch of urban technocrat smuglords, but AFAICT they are the only party who seem to actually acknowledge that insanely spiralling house prices are a giant ponzi scheme that are having massive negative impacts. The cost of housing has risen wayyyyy faster than other cost of living components and its creating this huge inequality where a large swathe of the population can sit on the untaxed capital gain of perpetually rising house prices, which basically just enrich the banks while entrenching inequality. Labour seem super conservative economically now and raising the top tax rate is good and needed but not imo without commeasurate increases for lower income earners. the bottom tax bracket needs to be raised at the very least. TOP's UBI/negative tax rate model + land tax seems like a pretty good system to me. I get that they will never get into government or even get a seat but I think having someone in there advocating this stuff is useful to try to shift the conversations/overton window (lol). look at the impact david seymour has had with one seat TOP also take climate change seriously. Green are generally pretty cool bros who move labour left. They do seem to wobble and gently caress up quite a bit - but on balance they seem to do a lot of good imo
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Gentle Autist posted:I know everyone likes to dump on TOP for being a bunch of urban technocrat smuglords, but AFAICT they are the only party who seem to actually acknowledge that insanely spiralling house prices are a giant ponzi scheme that are having massive negative impacts. The cost of housing has risen wayyyyy faster than other cost of living components and its creating this huge inequality where a large swathe of the population can sit on the untaxed capital gain of perpetually rising house prices, which basically just enrich the banks while entrenching inequality. The greens and the maori party talk about this constantly too. TOP is for dudes who think that the greens are too effeminate or too focused on soft ~social justice~ issues and that the maori party is only for maori people. Oh and also single issue UBI freaks I guess.
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