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BrotherJayne posted:Jerru, this maze is not for you nope that's Jane and rogers wedding, Margaret's is the Kennedy assassination
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They're not gonna know the context and are just gonna glaze over it. Your way overthinking it.
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Xealot posted:You're missing some other hard-hitters. Duck? Straight-up alcoholic. Stephanie? Pregnant and homeless, then abandoned her child. Rachel Menken? Dead from leukemia. It seems like nobody's life actually gets better as the story enters the 1970's, in any midcentury period fiction. duck does seem a lot better the last time we see him in season 7. getting outta advertising probably did him wonders
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GoutPatrol posted:the last time we see him he's back off the wagon trying to get into Pete's apartment. jesus I didn't remember that scene at all. I remember finishing the series and being glad he got away clean, drat. I disagree with the second part. I think ducks what pete would be if he hadn't made a break and got outta dodge at the end. Like the one dude said duck is absolutely terrified of making any sort of poor impression on people. And it make sense. He's a damaged war veteran who used alcohol to cope, whose whole career was based on telling people what they wanted to hear. His whole time spent in the early seasons of sterling cooper must've been a constant struggle to not make a single slip and destroy himself there like he did in London. And well we see what happens when he slips.
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sebmojo posted:The poem I posted above is very worth a read, feels like there's a lot of relevant meaning in there. Yes a lot of resonance with the show and this season in particular, however it also sucked. Dirty beatniks so self absorbed they can only write about themselves, disgusting. If you told me paul kinsey wrote that I'd believe you.
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I think it's like a lot of things in the show. a little column a a little column b. Don does use his looks and charisma to get away with poo poo that others couldn't. but mathis also totally hosed up dons advice and the fact that he couldn't figure out that he himself hosed it up shows he's never gonna be a player in the ad world the way don is.
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sebmojo posted:is he the one who eventually writes the star trek script about the Planet Negron Absolutely
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If he was merely mediocre he wouldn't have a problem. His problem is he's mediocre with a massive chip on his shoulder.
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Yoshi Wins posted:Listen, we all know the only way to meaningfully grow is to tell Hershey executives that you grew up in a whorehouse. I'm so eagerly awaiting the reaction to this. It's bar none the best ten minutes if television ever created.
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The quickest and most effective way to increase your ability to dissect a tv show is to take your smartphone and chuck it out the window.
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I remember the Hollywood Handbook with Jon Hamm was great. “maybe we re-do Veep. but, hold on, it’s called Beep. everybody in it is Cars.
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VinylonUnderground posted:I strongly disagree. Mad Men is way more a piece of its time, to its detriment. Breaking Bad is so good it actively makes me angry every time I watch it. Mad Men is nice. Breaking Bad also never really hit a doldrums period whereas at least two seasons of Mad Men could be easily excised. It's a real Sopranos situation where it just drops like a stone for a few seasons and spins its wheels. Breaking Bad was nonstop adrenaline throughout. Mad Men is also absolutely hilarious in a way that BrBa only hits with the pizza toss. Edit:I'd cut 90% of season two of Breaking bad before I cut a second of mad men
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Feb 18, 2021 05:56
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Breaking bad certainly has better cinematography, if there's one place that Mad Men falls flat it's there.
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The ultimate male fantasy. Dying alone at work penniless after destroying your relationship with your friends, family, and everyone you've ever known.
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Sash! posted:Jon Hamm was capable of desperate panic sweat better than any other actor that has ever lived and Don would be nothing without it. People love when he's cool, calm, and confident. But he sells desperate man walking on quicksand better than nearly any actor I could name.
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Feb 22, 2021 03:52
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JethroMcB posted:I'm up through mid Season 5 in my watch and something I really love is the running joke of Roger pulling hundreds, occasionally thousands, of dollars out of his pocket at a moment's notice, prompting the person he's negotiating with to ask him some variation on "...wait, is this what you normally carry?" Even after he and Joan get mugged on the street, he continues walking around with a strip club roll of large bills. That's the season where Peggy extorts him for the whole roll when he needs her to make an entire campaign in a few days right? I loving love roger, piece of poo poo but drat is he funny as hell Jeffrey make Ctrl-s Spoilers for godsake, who even uses strikethrough
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The Klowner posted:someone mentioned it a while back but all of Peggy's/Roger's interactions with each other are gold. They are at completely opposite ends on every axis in life and it makes for some really funny conversations. It's great, they have so few scenes together but they;re all gold, the scene near the end with roger on piano and Peggy just skating around the empty office is just fantastic.
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JethroMcB posted:
Every time someone reminds me this happens I think they're making poo poo up, It's such a weird thing to do, The version of the weird wipe in the sopranos
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:I just finished a rewatch inspired by this thread and Don's entire second marriage is pretty clearly presented as the actions of a pathetic man trying to improve on his last marriage while being fundamentally unable to overcome his personality flaws. For the first time in his life he ends up in the beginning of a somewhat-healthy relationship with a woman (Faye) before throwing it away to marry his secretary because she is: a) nice to his kids and b) happens to be in California when he's vulnerable so he is able to tell her about himself. After an entire season of acting like a baby because she won't be the kind of woman he wants her to be, Season 4 ends by implying that he cheats on her because she expressed some minimal independence. It is clearly not an enviable way to be, despite the glamorousness of Don's life. I do think his reasons for going back to cheating are a little more complicated, It's wrapped up in his weird views of the transactional nature of sex. He cheats after he helps her get the acting gig, with all his baggage about being a whore child, I think the second that that happens something in his mind breaks and he decides, that shes just using him so it's fine if he bails on the relationship and goes back to loving around Is you're username a reference to that loving Kenmore Ad?
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Shageletic posted:Don Draper and women are pretty weird. He's the opposite of someone who uses women to burnish his image, like soft headed wannabe alpha men today. It's all way more complex, and hosed up then that. The first woman to show kindness to him he could remember hosed him, while being kind to him (not the act of course, which is statutory rape, but before at least). The dude was literally being fed soup and being bundled up after his stepmother cast him into the basement, before the caretaker jumped his bones. yeah season six does a lot to make some of the subtext text, especially the episode where he's searching for that piece of copy with the matronly figure, and how his cheating with Sylvia is done In the same style as the people at the brothel he grew up in. it's one of the reason I'm not fond of the people who disregard don as just a fake alpha male. dude has a lot more things going on then just a desire to use women to increase status and delving into them will lead you to a much deeper enjoyment and appreciation of the media.
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GoutPatrol posted:S4 and S5 chat That final line was such a gut punch, you knew it was coming, the whole season led up to it, but every fibre of my being was hoping it wouldn't happen
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The Klowner posted:That song is just amazing in its own right too. I hadn't seen "You Only Live Twice" the movie before so the song was completely alien to me. The best musical cue in the show is the string pluck right between "Are you alone?" and "And love is a stranger..." Haunting, seductive, and maddening because you know that's the very moment Don decides to throw away everything he's worked towards the past two seasons Fun fact the version used in the movie is cut from like four different takes Nancy Sinatra did, they had originally wanted Frank to do the theme but he suggested she do it, she was so nervous she kept making mistakes.
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Seasons 4 and 5 are the best as far as I'm concerned, and they start using music I've actually heard before
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I disagree
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Lol shut the gently caress up dude
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BrotherJayne posted:LIGHT THE JERU BEACON Let him work on his own time. It took what eight years for the series to finish, if you must have more read his gta san andreas let's play. It's truly something to behold.
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"Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" https://lparchive.org/Grand-Theft-Auto-San-Andreas-(Screenshot)/
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Shageletic posted:I was just reading the wiki about that episode. Jesus can you imagine if the show ended at tommorowland, absolute insanity. If he ain't lying ill give it to weiner for sticking to his guns, cutting cast and shorter episodes would've destroyed the show.
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Solkanar512 posted:Why the gently caress do channels keep insisting on this with their best pretsege shows? If you want to be taken seriously, it's going to cost money and the one way to gently caress that all up is to go cheap and alienate your audience. Look at SCFY and "The Expanse" I wonder if it's better or worse than murdering the show because you didn't understand the legs it had. RIP Carnival and Rome
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Honestly, force of habit in this thread. Have you read the ideas they had? I don't know how well it would've worked out.
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Well you see he was engaging with the show on the same terms Jerusalem was or some such nonsense. Dude honestly sounded like one of those guys who just discovered the more mainstream thoughts of criticism of media, and leapt right in to try and prove how intelligent he was. While I don't agree with many of Jerusalem's takes, he's consistently proven himself to be a keen observer of subtle details of emotion and able to frame his understanding through that lens. Vinny's takes we're extremely facile in comparison, completely lacking in the understanding of the inner lives of the characters, he instead latched onto some tired argument from Truffaut and tried to shove his square block of an argument into the circular hole of Mad Men, then blended it with some bizarre assertions about Mad Men relating to Bush's America. His core argument seemed to be something about Weiner being too infatuated with high class society to truly criticize it. No examples were given, and counter examples were waived away simply by refusing them to be accepted as criticism. It would've been ignorable except for his dedication to constantly F5'ing and repeated posting. He made it to the fourth or fifth of the postcount list despite not starting until near the end of Season 2. You missed absolutely nothing by not reading his "Criticism" Them lashing out at this cruel injustice and getting probed is the only mildly interesting thing that relates to them in this thread. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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I posted that I thought it was in this very thread. Mad Men is the most memorable show that I constantly mix up details of, or order of events, it's got a weird quality that way Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Peggy's mom is just the mom from Everybody Loves Raymond, but in a drama and not a comedy.
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I had not realized she was still a working actor.
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Yoshi Wins posted:Herp a derp derp. Edited the "one-off" out. Thank you. I think they were trying with Dawn, but by that time they had so many plots and Char's that they couldn't really figure out how to work things out in a satisfactory manner.
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pentyne posted:Britain didn't have the same epic levels of racism America had so they doubled down on class discrimination. I'd be willing to bet there's quite a few Indians,Chinese, Aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Africans who would disagree.
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Beamed posted:Just got to the Suitcase on my rewatch. Still just an absolutely incredible episode, holy moly. There's an abundant intentionality to that episode for sure
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I can’t recall her doing that to him. It probably didn’t even register with me. Which is probably telling. their whole dynamic is hosed to hell I'm ready for Season four and the show finally gets out of the growing pains and hits it's stride
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:In just the last decade we’ve had movie stars like Brendan Frashier and Terry Crews be subject to some men in power over them grabbing their genitals and in Frashiers case speaking up about it internally helped end his career. And that’s in the 2000s. I can’t imagine how in 1962 or whenever if a man ever even hinted that he was uncomfortable with someone, especially a gorgeous looking woman, grabbing their genitalia without permission how that’d be received. They’d likely be labeled as a queer and ostracized. I don’t know if Don cared but maybe he did. And if he did he knew there’s sure as hell nothing he could say about it. I'm too drunk to remember where Jerusalem is at. Are we at Sal's firing yet. Cause that poo poo is the exact same, Even today, I've been groped in "Jest" by my female managers. That poo poo wouldn't fly if the roles were reversed but you're just supposed to take it as a man.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:We are not there yet. I am both excited for and dreading that write up. I wonder how hes gonna take it, Some peeps have been taking it really negative towards don which I just don't see, at least not towards their reasoning. Don's got sucha hosed up transactional view of sex, Sal loving Cigarette man seems absolutely natrual to him if it means not losing their golden goose, hell he'd do it himself if he was gay. I don't think the dude is judging Sal at all for his Homosexuality but rather for his instability to gently caress a client to keep them It's hosed but it's wrapped up in the same hosed up swamp of sexual feelings he's had since he grew up in the Brothel, I really think analyzing that aspect of his character brings a lot more understanding to don than just saying he's a bad lad.
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