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What source does it give for Hell, MI? The German investor story or something else?
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The names of 98% of the places in Oregon come from their founder's place of origin but they're always followed by more white supremacy
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Oct 2, 2020 06:43
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Atmore, AL, Red Level, AL, Axis, AL, and Talisheek, LA. Atmore wasnt incorporated until 1907 so its not in there but-The town was named after C.P. Atmore, General Passenger Agent of the Louisville and Nashville Railroad, who was a friend of Mr. Carney, who owned a sawmill in town and was a prominent citizen. No Red Level but lol. Red Level derives its name from a store that once existed in the area named Read's Level and predates the town by a few years. James Read, the owner the store, always pronounced his name with a silent "a," which prompted a misspelling of the name. Axis I cant find anything at all! Talisheek- The name is derived from the word talushik which means rock, gravel or pebble in the Choctaw language Coffeville- Town in Yalobusha County Mississippi (probably named after the same dude) Named for general John Coffee, noted indian fighter (genocide doer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coffee not a great dude. also a funny one near it, Coffee- creek in Humboldt county CA, so named for the occasion of a sack of coffee having been spilled in it. Hot coffee- nothing but, The community was established at the crossroads of two popular travel routes: the north–south Jackson's Military Road, and the east–west Natchez to Fort St. Stephens Wagon Road. An inn was built, and in 1870, L.J. Davis built a store and hung a coffee pot over his door, advertising "the best hot coffee around". His coffee was made from pure spring water and New Orleans beans, and molasses drippings for sweetener. He never served cream with his coffee, believing it ruined the taste. Local politicians would visit Davis' store and buy coffee for constituents and passing travelers. The popularity of Davis' coffee led to the name of the community.
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Oct 2, 2020 20:40
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USGS still has a database for this I just found! https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:1:::NO::: Provo- River and town in Utah County, Utah a contraction of the name Provost, the man for whom they were named. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne_Provost No Orem but At one time the area was known as Sharon, a Biblical name for a mostly level strip of land running between mountains and the sea, and the name of the Vermont birth town of Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. Another former name was Provo Bench.[8] In an apparent attempt to attract more investment to the town and provide an easy way for the large population of farmers with orchards to ship produce, in 1914 it was named after Walter C. Orem, President of the Salt Lake and Utah Railroad in the early 1900s. https://www.heraldextra.com/orem-was-named-after-a-man-who-never-lived-in-the-city/article_1ebfe722-dbcf-503e-bec5-d32a62bf8f2b.html
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Oct 2, 2020 20:46
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Barudak posted:When I was young I listened to a radio play on the naming of US towns, based I believe on this book. Of course, one was as far as I could tell made up which was Strange, Montana with the origin of finding a dead body with a note on it saying "strange is how I lived and died". Cant find anything about it at all unfortunately.
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Oct 2, 2020 20:47
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Heath posted:Is Chillicothe in there? Chillicothe- Cities in Ohio and Illinois and towns in Wapello County Iowa and Livingston County Missouri named for an Indian tribe, the word is said to mean town or city More Info: The word "Chillicothe" is derived from the ancient Shawnee Indian words meaning "Principal Place." It was the name for one of their clans. The main chief of the Shawnee could only come from the Chillicothe clan. When a village was called Chillicothe, it meant that it was home to the principal chief.
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Oct 2, 2020 20:51
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Mister Olympus posted:What source does it give for Hell, MI? The German investor story or something else? Nothing in the book but ill post all the hell ones after this. There are a number of theories for the origin of Hell's name. The first is that a pair of German travelers stepped out of a stagecoach one sunny afternoon in the 1830s, and one said to the other, "So schön hell!" (translated as, "So beautifully bright!") Their comments were overheard by some locals and the name stuck. Soon after Michigan gained statehood, George Reeves was asked what he thought the town he helped settle should be called and replied "I don't care. You can name it Hell for all I care." The name became official on October 13, 1841. The second theory is tied to the "hell-like" conditions encountered by early explorers including mosquitos, thick forest cover, and extensive wetlands. The third is that George’s habit of paying the local farmers for their grain with home distilled whiskey led many wives to comment “He’s gone to Hell again” when questioned about their husband’s whereabouts during harvest time. Hell Gate- Narrow pass in the East River, New York. Dutch word Hellegate, meaning gate of hell. So named on the account of the whirlpools which mad navigation dangerous. Hellgate, river in Montana named by Father de Smet Port de P'Enfer, "gate of hell" because by this way the Blackfoot reached his people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Jean_De_Smet Hell Roaring- Creek in Yellowstone Park, so named by a prospecting party, because one of them described it as a "hell roarer." Also I thought the next entry was interesting Helvetia- Name of a few places in the US settled by the Swiss and by them given the ancient name of Switzerland
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Oct 2, 2020 21:01
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:Very surprised Swastika, NY is not in the book considering how extensively it covers NY. Obviously, before the Nazis co-opted it, it was a good luck symbol often used on sports jerseys, product names, looking into it coca cola even made a swastika shaped bottle opener. Fuckin Hitler what a jerk. I did not know about Swastika, NY. I did know about Swastika, Ontario though, they don't want to change their name either.
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Oct 2, 2020 21:05
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Still waiting to hear what the book says about 'New England'
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Oct 3, 2020 03:10
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Barudak posted:When I was young I listened to a radio play on the naming of US towns, based I believe on this book. Of course, one was as far as I could tell made up which was Strange, Montana with the origin of finding a dead body with a note on it saying "strange is how I lived and died". Live by the strange, die by the strange.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:17
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This thread inspired me to do some research on place names where I grew up, and I discovered that "Aptos" is one of only three locations in the county that have maintained their original Indian names from the Ohlone people. There used to be an Ohlone village where (what is ironically called) Aptos Village is now. Of course by this point, after the Spanish missions and their genocides not to mention America's expansion west and seizure of all lands, there is precious little remaining of those people. I've always loved names from native sources, they often have a beautiful ring. Bit sad though too to look around and see that nothing really remains to show that they were even here
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Oct 3, 2020 03:34
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:Chillicothe- Cities in Ohio and Illinois and towns in Wapello County Iowa and Livingston County Missouri named for an Indian tribe, the word is said to mean town or city It's funny that it lists the one in Illinois as a city on par with Ohio, because it's quite small and a suburb of Peoria.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:36
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Johnny Aztec posted:Live by the strange, die by the strange. Somewhere roaming the montana woods is the Sexquatch, destroying wayward men with chance encounters
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Oct 3, 2020 03:46
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I was wondering a while about toponyms that ended in -ford and -bridge; basically river crossings. Ford is pretty drat common and bridge isn't incredibly rare. But are there any other places with Ferry or is Harpers the only one?
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Oct 4, 2020 14:58
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oh god this is going to be hard to look up but Ill try haha
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Oct 4, 2020 15:03
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Milo and POTUS posted:I was wondering a while about toponyms that ended in -ford and -bridge; basically river crossings. Ford is pretty drat common and bridge isn't incredibly rare. But are there any other places with Ferry or is Harpers the only one? There is a Millers Ferry, AL that I know of, and I am sure that's not the only one. It's right near somewhere called Crumptonia, which is a weird name.
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Oct 4, 2020 15:24
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dickshooter, idaho was named after a guy, dick shooter
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Oct 4, 2020 16:00
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Heath posted:It's funny that it lists the one in Illinois as a city on par with Ohio, because it's quite small and a suburb of Peoria. 113 years can make a place change in size
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Oct 4, 2020 18:27
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RFC2324 posted:113 years can make a place change in size That's what I mean, what was considered a city then is a small town now. To my knowledge the town wasn't any bigger than it is now
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Oct 4, 2020 18:34
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Here's an easy one: why the fuckin poo poo are there so many Springfields in US and A?
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Oct 4, 2020 20:15
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wesleywillis posted:Here's an easy one: why the fuckin poo poo are there so many Springfields in US and A? Any place with a reliable crop of springs was highly sought after during the industrial revolution.
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Oct 4, 2020 21:29
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:Helvetia- Name of a few places in the US settled by the Swiss and by them given the ancient name of Switzerland Might as well ask about Sacramento, now you have me wondering. Obviously Sacramento is just Spanish for Sacrament, but does it say why it changed?
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Oct 4, 2020 22:07
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Outrail posted:Still waiting to hear what the book says about 'New England' New England is not in the book, but the descriptions for most other places beginning with "New" just say "named for the city/county/town in [European country]." For example, New Hampshire is "named for the county in England." So I would imagine the description for New England would just say, "named for the country of England."
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Oct 10, 2020 17:22
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wesleywillis posted:Here's an easy one: why the fuckin poo poo are there so many Springfields in US and A? There are several origins for this name, actually. Springfield, Massachusetts was "named for the town in Essex County, England." Springfield, Nebraska was "so named because of the abundance of springs." And Springfield, South Carolina was "so named by its founder because he 'expected to see a town spring up in the old fields.'" Simpsons bonus: Shelbyville (in Illinois, Indiana, and Missouri) was named for General Isaac Shelby, former governor of Kentucky.
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Oct 10, 2020 17:28
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Simpsons Springfield is confirmed to be the one in Illinois, right?
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Oct 10, 2020 17:36
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vermont i think
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Oct 10, 2020 17:43
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Knormal posted:Sacramento, CA was originally New Helvetia for this reason. It always makes me think of the Helvetica font. The book makes no mention of New Helvetia, either as its own entry or in the description for Sacramento. Sacramento does mean "the sacrament," but according to Wikipedia the city was named after the Sacramento River, which was named by Spanish cavalry officer Gabriel Moraga for the Santisimo Sacramento (Most Holy Sacrament), referring to the Catholic Eucharist. The Wikipedia article for New Helvetia has this explanation: The Swiss pioneer John Sutter (1803–1880) arrived in Alta California with other Euro-American settlers in August 1839. He established an agricultural and trading colony, with the stockade Sutter's Fort, and named it "Nueva Helvetia." It was located at the confluence of the Sacramento River and American River. In English the name means "New Switzerland", after Sutter's home country...The site of "Nueva Helvetia" is just a few miles east of where his son, John Sutter, Jr., established Sacramento, and is on the eastern edge of present-day downtown Sacramento.
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Oct 10, 2020 17:49
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What was Worcester, MA named for? I hope it’s something that ties into it being a godawful shithole.
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Oct 11, 2020 01:27
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Nesquehoning, PA definitely an indian word, curious about translation
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Oct 11, 2020 01:31
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Ugly In The Morning posted:What was Worcester, MA named for? I hope it’s something that ties into it being a godawful shithole. Definitely sounds like old English so probably just named after some random English town
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Oct 11, 2020 01:31
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Play posted:Definitely sounds like old English so probably just named after some random English town Do you have a sauce for that?
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Oct 11, 2020 03:09
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Mississippi is a third world poo poo hole
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Oct 11, 2020 04:04
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TeachesOfPeaches posted:The book makes no mention of New Helvetia, either as its own entry or in the description for Sacramento. Sacramento does mean "the sacrament," but according to Wikipedia the city was named after the Sacramento River, which was named by Spanish cavalry officer Gabriel Moraga for the Santisimo Sacramento (Most Holy Sacrament), referring to the Catholic Eucharist. Play posted:Definitely sounds like old English so probably just named after some random English town
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Oct 11, 2020 05:26
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:IIRC -kill as a suffix is a Dutch thing that means a creek or marsh or inlet and shows up in a lot of areas of Dutch settlement-as in fishkill, schuykill Huh, I never put that together because it's pronounced very differently but if it's from 'kuil' (which is a hollow or a pit) those would be Fish Pit and Hidey Hole.
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Oct 11, 2020 08:56
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Rural Pennsylvania supplies such fun names as Panic, Home, and Bird-in-Hand. Are any of those listed?
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Oct 11, 2020 10:02
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Home, Pennsylvania was the setting for the inbred hillbilly house episode in X files
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Oct 11, 2020 13:37
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Knormal posted:
Also there are a lot of East Coast towns ending in -minster which is based off of the Old English word for church.
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Oct 11, 2020 14:31
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Knormal posted:Thanks, I never heard they were actually separate settlements from what I assume was a "gently caress you dad, I'm starting my own city" moment. I know Sutter's Fort was abandoned and fell into ruin because Sutter was apparently a pretty lovely businessman, so I guess everyone just kinda moved west a bit to live with Sutter 2. I guess it makes sense your book doesn't even mention New Helvetia then, since it has nothing to do with a current place name. Sure. There's a lot more in depth information about it in the History of Sacramento article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sacramento,_California) that you might find interesting. I didn't read the whole article but New Helvetia is discussed in the top portion.
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Oct 11, 2020 15:31
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Ugly In The Morning posted:What was Worcester, MA named for? I hope it’s something that ties into it being a godawful shithole. It was named for the county in England, so that tie would probably be British colonialism.
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Unfinish3d posted:Nesquehoning, PA Nesquehoning; stream and village in Carbon County, Pennsylvania. An Indian word, meaning "black lick." Not sure what a black lick is, though?
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