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TropicalCoke
Feb 14, 2012
Bigly if true

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lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
that cannot be truwe

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
It's fake news but I believe in the proud ancient Iranian tradition of crowning Armenian leaders.

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Punkin Spunkin posted:

It's fake news but I believe in the proud ancient Iranian tradition of crowning Armenian leaders.

Somewhere in ankara, erdogan is throwing a chair through a window

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/AvetissianAn/status/1508539587416801298?t=d7TPf83GztF_R8sNE2zR3Q&s=19

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

New peace talks?
https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1509459942083895297?t=DO8xDE8uFr9PmYjX6q_5qA&s=19

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/Sudkaukasus/status/1518012182058999808?s=20&t=5DjURiqzYyc7K3NyQQsWuw

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


interesting

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Today is the anniversary of the beginning of the Armenian Genocide.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

only on the gregorian calendar

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/1542403466366255104

Lmfao "armenian controlled"

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/Ali_F_Alizada/status/1563200288470618115

Not good

zynga dot com
Nov 11, 2001

wtf jill im not a bear!!!

A dossier and a state of melted brains: The Jess campaign has it all.

https://twitter.com/Tigartsakh/status/1569430767100465153

not at all!

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/15730657 tass has some quotes from the azerbaijani side, they're obviously blaming the armenians for shelling their positions in lachin, dashkasan, and kalbajar. the last city was one of those retaken in the 2020 war.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Jermuk, Vardenis, Goris, and Tatev are all well within Armenia proper.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

OhFunny posted:

Jermuk, Vardenis, Goris, and Tatev are all well within Armenia proper.

:whitewater:

Weren't the prior conflicts at least in recent history over border regions? I imagine the recent EU deal + Turkey's blessing has emboldened them.

goochtit
Nov 2, 2021



https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1569488805933219840

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1569480726235738114?s=20&t=wmYSmigzC06R7nWgND-cZw


ooookey dokey

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Seems really bad. Reuters is reporting that 49 Armenian soldiers have been killed and Azerbaijan is shelling Jermuk, Goris, and Kapan.

So far this seems like a particularly muddled situation because it's lining up the US and Russia together with Armenia against Turkey and Azerbaijan. Turkey is taking the Azeri line that the attacks are a response to Armenian provocations and Russia and the US are calling for peace and diplomacy.

The analysis here suggests that Azerbaijan might be trying to get extra leverage in the ongoing peace talks or to force Armenia to create a demilitarized zone along the border. There are also Russian peacekeepers still deployed in the region, but indications over the past six months have been that they're ineffectual at stopping border clashes, Azerbaijan isn't afraid of them after seeing how poorly the Russians are performing in Ukraine, and their force composition might have been weakened by redeployments to Ukraine anyway.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/301arm/status/1569592781332520966

Is this real? That's over half the country.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lolll

https://www.newsweek.com/armenia-sides-russia-snub-azerbaijan-over-border-fracas-1742293

quote:

Armenia Sides With Russia in Snub to Azerbaijan Over Border Fracas

The border conflict with Armenia and Azerbaijan took a new turn Tuesday as Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said his country has sided with Russia, a move that cozies them with Putin and any ties with a reunion of former Soviet states.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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"border fracas" is a new one

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Kinda sounds like Russia's narrative against Ukraine for dumping Minsk II

https://twitter.com/NasimiAghayev/status/1569553117489860610

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Apparently Pashnyan said something similar, at least according to these european endowment for democracy freaks. He claims Azerbaijan won't say if they're happy with the current borders or want the borders from before the early 90s war.
I'd guess it's maximalist demands pushing for the southern corridor to their exclave they've been talking about.
FWIW, presuming their not actually talking about Yerevan, just the two provinces south of it, it's more like a quarter of the country and it's pretty sparsely populated, under 200,000 people or less than seven percent of the population lives there. Which is a reason the Azeris might see it as vulnerable.

https://jam-news.net/baku-is-torpedoing-the-peace-agenda-pashinyan-on-reasons-for-the-escalation/

quote:

The Prime Minister reported that Azerbaijan declares that it has no territorial claims against Armenia. But in the context of the demarcation and delimitation of the borders, Baku intends to “raise questions about some territories illegally transferred to Armenia.”

According to Pashinyan, sometimes they start from the border village of Nrnadzor, continue through the entire Syunik region located in southern Armenia, and end in Yerevan.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Reports today that Azerbaijan is striking not just Armenian military targets but also civilian areas and even Russians deployed in Armenia:

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1570023513095868418?cxt=HHwWhMC4saOE7MkrAAAA

Armenia invoked the CSTO's mutual defence clause and so far the CSTO has responded by sending an observer mission but not actually any defensive troops.

It's a bit confusing trying to figure out exactly what's going on at the moment, but it seems like Azerbaijan might simultaneously be invading southern Armenia (not just Nagorno-Karabakh) and calling for a ceasefire. If both are true, it seems like they're loudly trying to claim provocations by Armenia to justify troops crossing the border.

vyelkin has issued a correction as of 16:40 on Sep 14, 2022

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Armenia says 105 of its soldiers have now been killed.


The Azerbaijani Army has reportedly crossed the border.
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1570094732440924160?s=20&t=g1sUp3EGgFAZSMzdVFY6tw

goochtit
Nov 2, 2021



https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1570738316743524352

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1570756121908088833?s=20&t=uOagbJhLjq0SsDmC3MW6qw
https://twitter.com/AvetissianAn/status/1570774528804163587?s=20&t=uOagbJhLjq0SsDmC3MW6qw

Seems not great

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Supposedly Kazakhstan has already stated that they wouldn't be willing to contribute any troops to a CSTO mission to Armenia, and Russia is busy. Word is they withdrew 800 soldiers from their 2000-strong peacekeeping force in Armenia back in the spring due to losses in Ukraine, and never replaced them, so it looks like they don't even have the troops to spare for their existing commitments let alone for a mutual defence treaty response mission.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

as per the rules of honor, armenia is duty-bound to invade russia iirc

edit does the prestige hit against russia for cancelling the alliance affect their ability to import machine parts

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Does anyone have any good reading on Pashinyan? From just glancing around he seems like he'd like nothing more than to cozy up to America.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Weka posted:

Does anyone have any good reading on Pashinyan? From just glancing around he seems like he'd like nothing more than to cozy up to America.

Here's an in-depth article on his foreign policy and foreign policy decision-making process: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14683857.2022.2111111

The short version about the cozying up to America is that it seems like it was primarily done for domestic political reasons, to try and strengthen the 2018 revolution's democratic credentials and to cultivate a certain image of Pashinyan himself as a populist leader - it hasn't actually resulted in any tangible realignment with the West, and the US has had very little interest in cultivating ties with Pashinyan as long as he maintains Armenia's close ties to Russia. The authors' argument is that Pashinyan's foreign policy has been characterized not by some long-term strategy like realigning Armenia's position in the world, but by an inconsistent and incoherent flailing from one position to another for domestic political reasons, which has left Armenia geopolitically isolated and been ruthlessly exploited by Azerbaijan and Turkey.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
America's Test Kitchen just released a video on how to make Lahmajun and I thought about the Dr Oz ad. They fuckin did it, they became the most American Americans in America and I'm happy for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBYfw4UTtOE

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

"dr oz lahmajun" doesn't give any results on yt

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/LindseySnell/status/1577021380192653313

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Nic- no wait

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

KirbyKhan posted:

America's Test Kitchen just released a video on how to make Lahmajun and I thought about the Dr Oz ad. They fuckin did it, they became the most American Americans in America and I'm happy for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBYfw4UTtOE

They didn't hit it with a fistful of parsley and lemon juice...wtf

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/simonwiesenthal/status/1578542780434960386

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Congratulations to the Armenian people. Through their unity, solidarity, and strength of will, they have successfully bullied a Turk. Can't wait to see more of it, thank you for your service.

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Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


Aliyev beating the war drum again

https://twitter.com/presidentaz/status/1637316961016135683

https://twitter.com/NKobserver/status/1637888483917275136

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