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the President of the United States went on TV and told a violent militia group to "stand by" and people are debating about the loving Green Party, lol'ing forever
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Popete posted:"Joe Biden would have vetoed the Green New Deal" I smugly reply as my ballot for the 2022 midterms is rejected under the new Trump Fair Voting Act. smugly nodding to myself that Joe Biden didn't say "defund the police" as I bleed out after being shot at a Proud Boy checkpoint for being Jewish
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Sep 30, 2020 05:09
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if you are using the luxury of living in a deep blue state to vote third party, or you were never going to support Trump or Biden, why are you subjecting yourself to this discussion or participating in this thread?
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Sep 30, 2020 05:12
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Yea sure I sincerely hope Trump gets the boot, but I am no longer complicit in a system that forces me to choose between steady decline and rapid decline. Moralize all you want, but we'll ultimately be right back here having this same discussion about the next most evil candidate ever. so you want Trump to lose, would be happy he'd lose... but don't want to help that process? Are you going to thank Biden voters for their service at least?
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Sep 30, 2020 05:14
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PerniciousKnid posted:Militia groups are growing because Democrats have done nothing for most of the American people for decades, and this thread is really self-conscious about it. This is the worst post in awhile. Militia groups are growing because a segment of Americans are violent racists, you loving moron, and the President is giving them a loving platform and cheering them on. Stop going to bat to defend literal anti-Semites and Nazis you dipshit.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:15
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like, if I already decided that I wasn't voting for either, I sure as gently caress wouldn't watch this trainwreck of a debate. Go do something else!
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Sep 30, 2020 05:17
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PerniciousKnid posted:Militia groups are growing because Democrats have done nothing for most of the American people for decades, and this thread is really self-conscious about it. Highlighting this trainwreck of a post for a new page, by the way. Going to bat to defend literal loving Nazis here.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:18
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Minrad posted:uh, did you even watch the debate? biden said that racism doesn't exist anymore Biden said that systemic racism exists.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:18
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fart simpson posted:and he should know! So you admit that you were wrong when you said Biden claimed racism was over?
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Sep 30, 2020 05:20
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PerniciousKnid posted:I'm not going to bat for Nazis, I'm begging the Democrats to offer a counter-narrative while the planet burns. You are justifying the beliefs of literal Nazis by blaming the Democratic party. How about the counter-narrative of "Jews shouldn't be gassed" you loving idiot.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:22
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Nix Panicus posted:Gangs are the natural reaction to an unsafe environment. They're affiliation groups that provide security and fraternity for members of the gang when the rest of the world is hostile. Many turn to crime because there are few legitimate options available, and as a response to crackdowns from whatever authority exists. When you don't protect or care for your people they will take steps to take care of themselves. The Proud Boys are not a "gang", they a white nationalist Neo-Nazi terrorist group.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:22
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I didn't realize that "Nazis are bad" is both a honeypot and a controversial opinion. Delusional thinking.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:24
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PerniciousKnid posted:If you're so smart, explain why the power of racism is ascendant in America while also allegedly being an immutable characteristic that is completely independent from external factors. Really bending over backwards to try to excuse members of a literal Neo Nazi terrorist group. Some "very fine people", am I right?
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Sep 30, 2020 05:29
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Yeah only non-whites have gangs, silly billy! The proud boys are not a gang, they are a literal white nationalist terrorist group. They are not the Juggalos.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:30
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Nix Panicus posted:Black man Barack Obama won two presidential terms largely around lying about helping people. I don't think racism is the invincible force in America you seem to think it is. Really it seems like promising to help people cuts across racial divides and unites the people, unless the people in question are hateful old people who already benefit from socialism and seek to deny any aid or comfort to anyone under 50. Do you know what the Proud Boys are?
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Sep 30, 2020 05:33
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PerniciousKnid posted:I think we should have leftist antifa candidates that actually fight racism instead of enabling it, which is why I'll never vote for Joe Biden. And what does that have to do with admitting that the farthest right fringe of violent Neo Nazis probably aren't a group reachable through progressive policy, and perhaps their behavior and beliefs can't be explained by "the Democratic Party failed them", especially when the core tenant of that belief is "there are too many minorities and we should kill them." Sometimes its ok to just condemn Neo-Nazis without excusing their behavior or somehow working in a sick burn on the Democratic Party.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:35
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Loucks posted:Is this a non sequitur, or does this poster really think Juggalos are a "gang?" The juggalos are actually a literal gang now, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo_gangs quote:Juggalo gangs are criminal groups using the name and associated imagery from Juggalo culture, dedicated fans of the rap group Insane Clown Posse or any other Psychopathic Records artist.[5][1][2][3][6] As a result, Juggalos have been classified as a criminal street gang by government and law enforcement agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation,[3] the National Gang Intelligence Center,[2] and the states of Arizona, California, Pennsylvania, and Utah.[2][3] Juggalo gang sets have been documented by law enforcement in at least 21 states,[3] including those that do not recognize Juggalos as a gang at the state level.[2]
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Sep 30, 2020 05:40
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Rockit posted:I get the feeling you reached the opposite side of the "X will get y better /Don't they wouldn't" argument. Nix Panicus posted:Inconsequential boogeymen for fearmongers to use to drum up votes for their garbage hero? Beside that, though, I don't think the group we need to think about reaching through progressive policies is the farthest right, dangerous fringe of violent white nationalists and instead of, uh, I don't know, the other 99.99% of America. I do not think demographics are destiny, but yes, there is going to be a violent, ultra-racist fringe, and I am not particularly interesting in explaining their behavior or solving the riddle to what motivates their violent hatred. Seven Hundred Bee fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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Sep 30, 2020 05:41
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I mean, yes there is literally a Juggalo gang that participates in activities that gangs do. I thought most people knew this? Is this somehow controversial? This is not the same thing as the Proud Boys, which are explicitly a Nazi terrorist organization.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I gotta say it truly exceeds expectations that when reaching to identify any white people as gangsters, the guy calling everyone else Nazis dug deep and came up with a pan-racial group of rap fans so we're pretending that white gangs don't exist and the Juggalos aren't a gang (independent of people who are fans of ICP but aren't part of the gang), gotcha.
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