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Popete posted:Imagine watching that debate and thinking there is even a choice here. Joe Biden loving sucks but the alternative is, I don't even know what the hell that was. Imagine after watching that debate that you think your vote can change anything at all. Biden stood on that stage and told everyone he wasn't going to do anything. Defeating Trump doesn't even pause the clock on the death of America, much less set it back. Biden will continue everything that brought us Trump 1, and we're still going to get Trump 2. Nothing can stop that at this point. America is already dead
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How are u posted:Are you really going to do the whole right-wing thing of calling them the "democrat" party? Biden literally announced 'I am the Democratic Party' within the first five minutes of the debate Vincent Van Goatse posted:Please take some time to familiarize yourself with catastrophizing, it can have serious consequences. Oh, well, if we're talking about catastrophizing then why do you think Trump is so bad? He's just another president that will come and go. America will endure. Don't vote for Joe because Trump isn't that bad I guess.
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Sep 30, 2020 04:26
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is spectacularly obtuse. Stop catastophizing. America will survive Trump. This election is just another road bump. I, for one, am voting my conscious on this one and not voting for Joe and will encourage others to vote third party
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Sep 30, 2020 04:32
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MakaVillian posted:Obama being black and Hilary Clinton being Hilary Clinton led to Trump's election c'mon Obama won the people you now think are unreachable racists. He won them twice. It wasn't Obama being black or Hillary being a woman that sunk them
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Sep 30, 2020 04:36
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spacetoaster posted:I think showing them that we're capable of not voting for them is a way to move them in the direction we want. Voting third party indicates you were willing to jump through the hoops required to vote and decided Biden wasn't worth your support. Third party voting is the only way to register disagreement with the democrats, which is why they hate it so much they're actively trying to suppress third parties
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Sep 30, 2020 04:39
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Space Gopher posted:I mean, a few hundred thousand DACA recipients might die or have their lives ruined, but what does that matter against the true light of ideological purity?
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Sep 30, 2020 04:41
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ascii genitals posted:This is a stupid loving idea. Voter suppression via removing third parties from the ballot because of massive insecurity over voters having any other choice? Yeah I agree thats real loving dumb, and yet the democrats keep doing it
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Sep 30, 2020 04:42
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Fellwenner posted:And how has that worked so far? Worked really well for Nader voters in the 00's, also worked really well for Green/Libertarians in '16. Gore didn't win his home state, or any of the other states that would have clutched without Florida. Thats hardly Nader's fault that Gore sucked If you assume Green voters 'belonged' to Clinton (which is gross as gently caress by the way, and really the alternative to no Greens on the ticket is staying home) you must also assume Libertarians belonged to Trump. In that scenario Trump crushes Clinton even more decisively *and* takes the popular vote. Third party voters saved Clinton an even more humiliating defeat, because she sucked rear end beyond belief.
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Sep 30, 2020 04:46
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OwlFancier posted:Like I dunno I'm reading up on this daca thing and like, creating a class of people whose right to live in the country is determined by their continued job-having and they can never become citizens or have the right to vote and must continually justify their existence seems pretty bad to me but the guys who created it are the good guys because they're not deporting as many people? The League of United Latin American Citizens opposed Biden's 2007 immigration bill because the temporary worker program "would create a new underclass of easily exploited workers who would be forbidden from realizing the American Dream."
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Sep 30, 2020 05:01
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ascii genitals posted:Oh it absolutely is the other way around. Your vote for Howie Whatshisname is a vote for Trump. Make no mistake, you can vote 3rd party up and down the ticket all you want--but the presidential election is Biden vs. Trump. Whatever nonsense scenario you're playing out in your mind that says otherwise is a farce and a mistake. I'm going to vote for ascii genitals so you know theres a Trump vote in your name and you can't stop me
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Sep 30, 2020 05:03
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Votes for no-hoper third party candidates automatically favor the incumbent why do people not grasp this. Sounds like catastrophizing to me
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Sep 30, 2020 05:05
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Minrad posted:things don't seem that bad. mostly just looks like sand? 3.6 years. Not great, not terrible. Stop catastrophizing!
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Sep 30, 2020 05:17
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TyrantWD posted:Ahh yes, the famous “economic anxiety” argument being made by progressives, once again giving credence to horse shoe theory. Gangs are the natural reaction to an unsafe environment. They're affiliation groups that provide security and fraternity for members of the gang when the rest of the world is hostile. Many turn to crime because there are few legitimate options available, and as a response to crackdowns from whatever authority exists. When you don't protect or care for your people they will take steps to take care of themselves. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 30, 2020 05:22
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Rockit posted:You can ask the same of every poster in this thread mate. The democratic party already ignores me, the threat of continuing to be ignored isn't the threat you think it is.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:27
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:You are justifying the beliefs of literal Nazis by blaming the Democratic party. How about the counter-narrative of "Jews shouldn't be gassed" you loving idiot. Black man Barack Obama won two presidential terms largely around lying about helping people. I don't think racism is the invincible force in America you seem to think it is. Really it seems like promising to help people cuts across racial divides and unites the people, unless the people in question are hateful old people who already benefit from socialism and seek to deny any aid or comfort to anyone under 50.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:32
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Space Gopher posted:The structure of American politics creates two major parties that hold essentially all national political power between them. It's theoretically possible for a party to collapse completely and be replaced (like what happened to the Whigs), but it's extremely difficult and rare. Meanwhile, we've seen a major political party taken over by an internal movement within just the past decade The racist/nativist wing of the Republicans went from subordinate to the business interests, to vice versa, over the course of the Obama administration. That's why Trump is president instead of Jeb! The Tea Party was complete astro turf to cover for even more concessions to business interests. For fucks sake the Tea in Tea Party was a shoddy acronym for 'Taxed Enough Already'. Trump has been funneling unprecedented amounts of money to the already ludicrously rich with bipartisan support. Your entire theory of power is wrong.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:36
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Do you know what the Proud Boys are? Inconsequential boogeymen for fearmongers to use to drum up votes for their garbage hero?
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