Debate Liveposting Thread - WILL YOU SHUT UP, MAN?

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Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Fox news is pretty much starting this night by hitting on Biden's senility.
Whoever says to heighten expectations is merely part of the the ride that is Fox and Trump's campaign not actually in charge of anything.

Sucks to suck.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 01:14

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Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Conrad_Birdie posted:

Stop doing this, it�s lovely. I loving hate Joe Biden but I�m gonna vote for him, but it is totally understandable for Americans to think, in this moment in time especially, that we�re hosed. People aren�t fantasizing that things are really bad. Things are really loving bad and voting for Joe Biden is literally the least I can do and there�s a good chance his presidency will amount to poo poo and we�re even closer to complete disaster. This isn�t catastrophizing, this is recognizing trends in our country and where those logically lead.

I feel ya man. Voting for biden is a vote for palliative care. Not to someone who's in a miracle going to be pressured to change or be defeated by people. That's certainly an option but it's about as useless to bring up like whatever Tea party 3.0 is gonna come.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Noted Centrist Jimmy Carter.

This is literally the first time i hear he's not.
He's associated with Clinton policy wise and wikipedia finds him moderate at least in how he campaigned what's the objection to that?

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 04:40

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Kreeblah posted:

I agree. How do you do that if they know you'll vote for them no matter what?

"Well we don't know the future...Maybe it'll be easier next time or the party can change from within."
-2016
Ah well nonetheless. /s
Miracles can happen but there not called miracles because people should expect them and take them into account when making tactical decisions. .

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 04:44

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

ElrondHubbard posted:

Yes, this will work out great, just like after 2000 and 2016 when we suffered through terrible presidencies due to close margins and yet after all the suffering a socialist utopia didn�t materialize. Maybe if we do it again...

Since Sanders wouldn't bring that utopia I'll call that a strawman. poo poo people have been clear that sanders was a compromise candidate.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 04:46

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

OwlFancier posted:

Is biden planning to reform immigration so that people are not living with the threat of the next hostile administration doing that?

There wouldn't be one if you just VOTE! /s

Seriously people have used "Shouldn't you be campagiging" argument against voter shaming. If didn't work then why should it work now?

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 04:52

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

illcendiary posted:

This no joe poo poo is so tiresome lol

Blaming people with valid reasons to gently caress the system for trump somehow winning against all polling data is tiring to.
If I can separate any bad thing Biden would do with my vote why the hell would i care for third partier who didn't stop him winning?

I mean gently caress accelerationist argument but this derail was started by "Who dare these people not support biden? You just want Diamonds"
Shun the people who literally want to vote trump. Disagree with those who just want you to vote green and let yourself cooperate with them in any post-biden win activism. All this labeling nonsense isn't really to going to make anyone change their drat votes at these stage either it would be the audience or fellow posters and is just going to be divisive nonsense.

Rockit fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Sep 30, 2020

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:10

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

if you are using the luxury of living in a deep blue state to vote third party, or you were never going to support Trump or Biden, why are you subjecting yourself to this discussion or participating in this thread?

You can ask the same of every poster in this thread mate.

GreatGreen posted:

Good idea, I was going to vote for Biden but let's show him who's boss by voting 3rd party and splitting the vote, handing Trump a landslide victory.

What the gently caress is wrong with you.

Your vote or even all SA's votes aren't going be the key one that swings the EC. That's catastrophizing.
The party will just ignore them like the rest of the third party candidates.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:18

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

JT Jag posted:

Oh we're just posting qanon talking points in here now I guess

"Right wing ideologies are enabled by class disparities" is an sensible take as long as it isn't reductionize to be the only thing behind right wing politics.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:21

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

fart simpson posted:

i think you have me confused with someone else. i didnt say that.

You have the same tag and didn't aruge against them shouldn't that mean you are the same?/s

I don't get myself accused of liking concertation camps just because I voted for joe. Same thing here.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:26

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

illcendiary posted:

Correct

Yeah the polls thread gets real dumb when it's like that. Yeesh.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:27

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Nix Panicus posted:

The democratic party already ignores me, the threat of continuing to be ignored isn't the threat you think it is.

That's probably because it's not a threat. It's your prerogative to keep on keeping on i'd suppose.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:29

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Popete posted:

I can %100 agree with people saying Joe Biden sucks and will not actually bring about any real reform or change in a 4 year term. Where you're losing me is how handing Trump the reigns for another 4 years makes things better. Is this what 4D chess is???

Yeah...if that could have happened we'll be talking about Bernie vs him rn.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:32

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Space Gopher posted:

The structure of American politics creates two major parties that hold essentially all national political power between them. It's theoretically possible for a party to collapse completely and be replaced (like what happened to the Whigs), but it's extremely difficult and rare. Meanwhile, we've seen a major political party taken over by an internal movement within just the past decade The racist/nativist wing of the Republicans went from subordinate to the business interests, to vice versa, over the course of the Obama administration. That's why Trump is president instead of Jeb!

It's possible to use the same mechanism for positive leftist change in the Democratic party. And, it's much more likely to be effective than voting for a third party that can't hope to hold power at the executive level without winning a majority across the majority of electoral votes.

If you really want to break the cycle of running towards the center, look at the Tea Party, and emulate what they did for better ends.

There's nothing stopping people from doing both. The parties don't really look at voting history.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:34

Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

Do you know what the Proud Boys are?

I get the feeling you reached the opposite side of the "X will get y better /Don't they wouldn't" argument.

You don't have to think that Proud aren't bigoted assholes propped by past republican bigotry to think that Democrats having actual good policy would reduce their power.
If having Trump not having a president plafotrom impacts people why not the actual people in power doing goods things.

No one is claming that Proud Boys are just people who have economic anxieties just that having a good economy for everyone would hurt groups like them from recruiting and forming.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:39

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Rockit: Feb 2, 2017

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

Beside that, though, I don't think the group we need to think about reaching through progressive policies is the farthest right, dangerous fringe of violent white nationalists and instead of, uh, I don't know, the other 99.99% of America. I do not think demographics are destiny, but yes, there is going to be a violent, ultra-racist fringe, and I am not particularly interesting in explaining their behavior or solving the riddle to what motivates their violent hatred.

Ok that was a dick move i'd grant and i shouldn't skipped that part. I'm sorry. That wasn't PK's argument for instance however.

Trump being gone wouldn't convert the already militant people but it would remove a little bit of their power to make new converts and actions. Same thing here.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2020 05:46

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