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Judge Dredd Scott posted:is the Seattle DSA better than it was a few years ago. i left because the # of sex pests, i got groped at least once at a meeting so i got the hell out 1) It’s not better from how I first found it a few years ago. 2) Your experience will depend a lot on the branch and the actions you go to. It is more demanding on the average member than DSA. Although there’s always some drama going on, it’s usually on political issues and not personal. I have not heard of sex pests in the Seattle organization and I’ve only seen people interact respectfully toward each other. (My totally subjective spider sense experience — I got a “vibe” from ISO that told me to stay away; I don’t get that from SA. I looked into PSL, too, and it felt similarly iffy, even if I prefer some of their stances.) What I liked most by comparison to being a DSA member was the cohesion and the action orientation instead of endless debates, book-club-only comrades, and no shows. There’s always something to be done, and people will tell you what to do. If you like Kshama, you like SA’s decisions (at least when it comes to governing a city and using the position as a platform). I left because I couldn’t get on board with their positions on China and some specifics about campaigning in pandemic times (which worked out better than I expected as I was wrong in my assessment). Check out one of their events online or IRL. These days there’s a focus on defending Kshama from recall. Ps, it’s fun to be hooting and hollering in city hall when that was a thing mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 10:24 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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mawarannahr posted:1) It’s not better from how I first found it a few years ago. genuine bummer about the DSA. i know its easy to dismiss them as cops/libs but i'd rather they be good, so its sad to hear. happily surprised with what youve said about SA though, i'll give it a look once i get vaccinated, thank you very much for this post!!!
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Mar 17, 2021 10:30
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bit e/n but i can't find any other place to post this poo poo is there anything one can do to help with political burn out in organising? i organised with various different groups and people in my city for the past few years before i totally crashed and fell apart from it, both from physical and mental burn out as well as traumatic experiences. these days i can't get any positivity or joy out of politics, and i can only really find things to critique in movement work rather then wanting to participate in it and help build. because of past experiences, just the thought of doing organising again gives me horrible anxiety and makes me avoid anything beyond discussions and reading groups. at most i've been trying to run a few reading groups and slowly build myself up again, which is something i'm working on doing with good people. if anyone has some kind of advice as to how i can get trust, faith and passion back in organising again, i'd really love to know. i miss organising greatly but i've got so many mental blocks that stop me from getting involved in anything again that i can't figure out how to move beyond.
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Aug 23, 2021 02:29
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Hefty Leftist posted:bit e/n but i can't find any other place to post this poo poo burnout is real, don't feel bad that you're experiencing it! take some time to yourself, talk to a therapist or another professional, maybe accomplish some personal goals. if, for example, there's some political writing you've always wanted to do, by the time you've finished it you'll probably be itching to get back out there and organize again.
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Aug 23, 2021 02:52
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why dont you join by frickin balls over here
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Aug 23, 2021 03:21
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Yet another thing with no action? No thanks
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Aug 23, 2021 03:28
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agreed OP. it's good to be in a political org
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Hefty Leftist posted:bit e/n but i can't find any other place to post this poo poo
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Aug 24, 2021 02:52
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nice try fbi
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Aug 24, 2021 03:00
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wouldn't joining anything remotely progressive just be adding my name to a fascist kill list
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Aug 24, 2021 05:35
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Suspicious posted:wouldn't joining anything remotely progressive just be adding my name to a fascist kill list being spied on by your local PD is Pog
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Suspicious posted:wouldn't joining anything remotely progressive just be adding my name to a fascist kill list If you remotely pass as a normal looking cis het white dude you'll probably be fine if you're not in an area where folks just regularly have accidents. If you're black rip tho like I've been recorded by the fash dozens of times at rallies and poo poo, but my nose is clean and I'm just square cracker with no criminal record and a white collar job Coolness Averted has issued a correction as of 06:12 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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Aug 24, 2021 06:10
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im joining my local larouche set, op
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Aug 24, 2021 15:20
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Suspicious posted:wouldn't joining anything remotely progressive just be adding my name to a fascist kill list thats what got me into it but sadly im still alive
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Aug 26, 2021 22:47
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Fight the TradCaths; join the Catholic Worker Movement
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Victory Position posted:bumping thread, get invovled with SAlt or PSL, local orgs in your area no
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breadnsucc posted:since some people are still being willfully ignorant re official organizations and just organizing, have some fun with this, i could go through all the super liberal garbage like greenpeace or indivisible or our revolution or whatever but lets focus on the favorites, at least in my neck of the woods lol @ this post
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Aug 12, 2022 05:49
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Gritty sez go to your next local DSA meeting
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:lol @ this post Why
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Aug 12, 2022 06:00
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check the username
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Aug 12, 2022 06:01
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the author later did some newsworthy praxis
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Aug 12, 2022 06:02
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Oh lol rip
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Aug 12, 2022 06:07
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join antifa guys we can shoot some toes and then (?????)
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Aug 12, 2022 07:58
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quote:demystifying guns to the unwashed masses
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quote:The most effective form of political organization as far as I can tell is small, local, autonomous, groups, untethered from such simple ideas as becoming "official" or even tying themselves to "official" political ideologies, ie socialism or communism or whatever the gently caress other political organizations are wasting their loving time on. quote:Thus the very premise of petty-bourgeois radicalism is that it is impossible to win the working class in the struggle against capitalism. From this it follows that mass concepts of struggle are not possible, necessary or realistic. This leads to actions based on small elite groups––or to individual action. Because this concept is not concerned with winning over masses, it promotes and condones actions that alienate masses. There is an inner logic to this path. Specific actions are taken because there is a lack of confidence in mass–in class–actions. These ill-considered actions result in widening the gap between the petty-bourgeois radical movements and the masses. This widening gap then becomes “proof” that you cannot win masses and therefore the line of conduct of these movements is justified. Each step leads to a further isolation. This is the inner logic of petty-bourgeois radicalism.
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Aug 12, 2022 08:55
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Retarded Goatee posted:im joining my local larouche set, op
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What do people think about PSL?
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unwantedplatypus posted:What do people think about PSL? They’re useless socdems like all U.S. communist parties are
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Aug 12, 2022 19:30
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Can you explain your reasoning?
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Aug 12, 2022 19:59
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PSL is more hosed up and more rapey than SAlt in my area. However SAlt are also huge dweebs and neither are very appealing
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Aug 12, 2022 22:26
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What if, and hear me out, there was a party that wasn’t rapey, had an actionable model for growth, and was interested in expanding beyond large cities primarily on the coasts or lakes.
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Aug 12, 2022 22:31
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unwantedplatypus posted:What do people think about PSL? My opinion as a DSA member is that they are too small to effectively do much of anything, which is a problem you could potentially help with. From people I know in the org, they have pretty robust and occasionally heated internal debate, people who remain with the org are therefore typically people who don't take that personally. Once they reach a consensus they are good about everyone acting together. They are usually pretty good about not airing drama on social media, which is one of the worst things DSA does constantly. They do some things I disagree with like run a candidate for presidential elections, which I think is a waste of their time, effort, and money. Organizing with them will take more of your time than DSA as they ask more from their members. Joining PSL is better than not being a part of any org.
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Aug 12, 2022 22:36
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fermun posted:My opinion as a DSA member is that they are too small to effectively do much of anything, which is a problem you could potentially help with. May I ask what are the pros and cons of the DSA in your view?
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Aug 12, 2022 22:37
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unwantedplatypus posted:May I ask what are the pros and cons of the DSA in your view? it's big, there are lots of members and so if a chapter is able to organize its members to do something, the chapter can accomplish it. you can put in as much time as you're comfortable with and so you probably won't wind up burning out. that's a con as well, dsa chapters are often bad about getting all of their members to show up, there's a problem of a lot of paper members that pay dues but never go to meetings or actions or canvassing, etc. DSA is also big-tent, it's multi-ideology from socdem left, and that creates a lot of internal conflicts about what people want to do and there's a bunch of anarchists in dsa as well so chapters often try to do everything all at once with no effective organization about how exactly they're going to do what they're trying to do. dsa members also constantly post whatever interpersonal or organizational drama that is going on on social media. the chapter structure is also something of a weakness because there's nothing above a chapter than the national organization, which makes it harder to organize things between two chapters that border each other. you can also wind up with vastly different structures and goals between two chapters that border each other, like one might focus exclusively on trying to get candidates elected and another might try to help a unionization campaign. dsa candidates also just run on the democrat party line and they rarely go to dsa events if they take office and there's nothing that holds them accountable to what dsa as an organization is supposed to stand for. there's a lot to complain about on how dsa is organized, but if you have a local chapter that is good, then it's probably very good. my local chapter has unionized some workplaces. we've passed a bunch of ballot measures and stopped a police union written one from passing. we have an elected member of the board of supervisors that is an active member that shows up to meetings, tries to do what the chapter stands for, and all his aides are members. we've written a ballot measure for this coming november election, and generally we punch way above our weight in city politics. the organizational structure means that state assembly districts cross multiple chapter borders, so even my chapter, which i think is probably one of the best, has a hard time doing anything above city politics.
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if youre genuinely interested in getting involved in a political organization you should email or message or call the organization or one of its chapters or sign up online or whatever and talk to someone about it because if you ask people online and especially in this forum you get replies like SorePotato posted:PSL is more hosed up and more rapey than SAlt in my area. However SAlt are also huge dweebs and neither are very appealing which is nice because the implication is that organizations have the character or quality of being rapists and that getting involved in one makes you either more or less of a rapist, but never a non-rapist, which is a normal thing to think and say about an entire group of hundreds or thousands of people. 99% of people that you interact with online are weirdos who talk about politics online precisely because they dont have anyone to talk to about them irl. they all just accuse every group or organization of being rapists, being a cult, being problematic, whatever. just talk to an actual human being in the organization and a few times and see if you agree with their politics and methods.
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unwantedplatypus posted:What if, and hear me out, there was a party that wasn’t rapey american communists grossly misunderstanding what ho chi minh meant when he repeatedly admonished his party for not doing more to get the women involved
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Aug 19, 2022 05:30
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Seems like MN DSA is actually getting people elected which is cool so maybe I will try find something to sit in on. I do NOT want to talk to people.
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apropos to nothing posted:preferably a socialist organization. its difficult to get involved in socialist or left politics because there isnt a mass socialist or workers party in the US and so if we want something like that we have to build it. im a member of socialist alternative and would encourage anyone here looking to join a marxist political organization to check us out and feel free to pm me if you have any questions or wanted more info but also can look at our website: https://www.socialistalternative.org/get-involved/
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AxGrap posted:I do NOT want to talk to people. this doesn't work the word Social is right there in socialist
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