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Perhaps more relevant than the political status of a lunar colony, we should be asking why. What is the benefit of this proposed colony? The costs of creating and supporting it are sure to be substantial, and to what benefit for the workers? Surely we don’t intend to do such a thing simply because we can, like the wasteful Americans did a decade ago?

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My fellow loyalists, we must not be reckless in these early years of the TN age. Our sacred duty is to the workers who make up our many nations, and it is to their benefit that we should be looking. I propose we we refocus our research to prioritize mining and industry. Perhaps once we have the ability to find these new minerals on objects in space, we can properly justify moving workers to them.

Furthermore, I say that in the interest of unity and stability across the Earth, we raise an official ComIntern peacekeeping force. Organized gangs, rebels, and yes, even capitalists, continue to abuse workers the world over. We should look to their defense, as well as the defense of our fledgling government.

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Research:B, A, C

NM-08: No

NM-09: Yes

B-11: Yes

K-10: Yes

JR-13: Yes

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If the Lunar colonists want to self-govern, I can think of no better readiness test than solving this mass murder. A government must have a benefit to the workers, lest it is just a new aristocracy. ComIntern is not building colonies just so hopeful despots and petty kings can claim workers to exploit.

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- Luna: CDBA
- Gladio: CBDA
- Survey Ships: B
- Survey Priorities: ABC
- S-17, Radiation Cleanup: Yes
- F-18, One Million Citizens Autonomy Requirement: No
- F-19, A Ship Naming Scheme: Yes
- JR-20, The No First Strike Policy: No
- A-21, the Lunar Self-Defense Forces: Yes
- S-22, Logistics Expansion: No
- Y-23, the Constructed Language Study: Yes

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Mister Bates posted:

JR-20, the No First Strike Clause, is currently winning by one vote.

Of course the weak will push to declare peace before a shot is fired! The same voices today that seek to limit diplomatic options before we even know what we face will be the first to call for military intervention when we encounter a species of slavers, tyrants, or capitalists. This resolution stands as nothing but a pointless boondoggle that will slow our military response when needed.

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August members of the legislature, we have once again been reminded of the importance of securing our position on the ground before stretching for the stars. Considering both our current bottleneck and our plans for off-world mining, I submit that we prioritize both mining technology and infrastructure. I fear our piecemeal approach to legislature in general will continue to generate these unexpected hurdles. I submit that we should return to the practice of long term plans to guide our annual sessions. The 5 and 10 year plans have served many member states well in the past, I see no reason they shouldn't continue to do so.

With an eye to the future, I argue that the Socialist Aid Program should continue until such time the true vision of Marx and Engels is made reality. We must never stop pushing for the ideals of a society without classes, where all goods are distributed fairly. This cannot be a reality while there continues to be homelessness, starvation, and unemployment under our many flags. Let us complete our perfect society, and show the workers of other nations the myriad benefits of the revolution!

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Rhjamiz posted:

Ah, thank you. Very useful. It would seem Lasers seem the most useful and versatile. I would recommend we focus our efforts there. They can be scaled down for fighters and scaled up for the backbone of our fleets.

Between the limited range of direct fire weapons and the need to scale their output to the size and energy production of the ship itself, I think this is a poor idea. It would be more efficient if we treated fighter craft as reusable torpedo delivery systems.

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I don't know much of anything about how the game works mechanically. Is it possible to pull off an Honorverse type weapon system?

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Sanev.Khan posted:

Which do you mean? Or do you want Mister Bates to bend the universe in our favor?

In David Webber's Honor Harrington series, a big limitation for naval engagements is that ships simply can't lay down enough missiles to reliably get through enemy PD and counter-missiles. Missile tubes take space, reloading takes time, etc. The solution ends up being "missile pods" that are either towed or stored internally and then deployed. The pods are basically external, one-shot missile tubes, which allow the navy to dramatically increase the weight of fire per volley. So while a standard cruiser might only be able to fire 4 missiles in a volley, a pod ship is only limited by it's fire control and available pods.



e; you asked which, not what. ill leave it as is for people who dont know WTF im talking about at all.

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Sanev.Khan posted:

It's alright, it's been a while since I read those books, too.
There used to be missile-carried bomb-pumped X-ray lasers like in HH in Aurora VB, but they're gone from C# now, they never worked right, I think.

Something that might put people off pods is that technically they can't be without crew and automated in-game, though it could still be fluffed as such I suppose.

That's too bad; bomb pumped lasers is basically the best answer to the beam vs. missile question.

Is there any mechanical reason pod analogues would be better than SRM fighters?

Also, is towing an asteroid at 5,000km/s to hurl at enemy stations/planets possible? I'm guessing they either won't move or will stop moving when you stop moving them.

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Servetus posted:

If they are missile fighters we can fill the magazines half full of sensor probes and half full of missiles and fulfill the requirements of that clause.

Instead of trying to find loopholes in this foolish legislation, let's just repeal JR-20.


e; proper name of the act

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Servetus posted:

FESTER hasn't been approved yet, I put it up for a vote this session The no warship clause was added to JR-20.

Fixed, thanks.

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Prefixes: D, A, B, E, F, G, C
Research: C, D, A, B
SAP: A, B, C
I-24: Yes

A-25, Service Medals: Yes
K-26, Adoption of a Revolutionary Rank Structure: Yes
F-27, Drunken Industrial Bear: Yes
F-28, Research Optimization Cleanup: Yes
F-29, A Ten-Year Service Medal: Yes
L-30, Low-Gravity Infrastructure: No
I-31, Five-Year Plans: Yes
H-32, The Mars Program: No
N-33, the TNE Reuse, Reduce, and Recycling Act: Yes
N-34, the Public Broadcasting Service: Yes
S-35, FESTER: Yes
A-36, Space Autonomy Model: Yes
A-37, A Common Language for Space: Yes

With the amount of participation we already have, I would also vote that it’s safe to require proposals to be seconded. We can revisit this if no one seconds my proposals, of course.

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What's the cost to increase the raw number of labs we have?

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Comrades, let us not ascribe sinister motives to disagreements of policy. We can disagree on the best path to Utopia without being enemies.

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Gen. Uvorvykishki (ret.), Ukrainian Delegate to the People's Assembly

The news from Luna is excellent, comrades. This vanity project has turned out to be quite the windfall. Let us hope that next time we leap before looking we are similarly lucky.

I agree with some of the other delegates that we should get at least one functioning mine and some sort of delivery system setup on Luna. While the material wealth will continue to be overshadowed by production on Earth, I believe that the experience we will gain in off-planet mining and logistics will be invaluable to our future efforts.

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There is no rush here. We should move cautiously to make sure we don't create a problem that didn't need to exist.

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Mister Bates posted:

It is commanded by Ship Commander PurpleXVI, selected for their combination of relevant skills and ironclad political credentials.

Never, ever trust PurpleXVI. Ever.

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Kitfox88 posted:

Please, Neo New York

No no, Neo New Amsterdam

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Pacho posted:

Is there a way for us to research an anti-missile, planet-wide defense system that could help us destroy potential NATO/Israeli/Japanese nukes before they reach their intended targets?

Any TN ship in orbit with PD should be able to obliterate just about any sort of conventional ICBM launch. The flight time of any ICBM is measured in minutes, and for a TN ship the travel time to any point in near-Earth orbit is seconds.

Our new sensors are capable of detecting minerals well below the surface of the planet. While the cores of nuclear weapons are shielded, they were never designed to shield against this new generation of sensors. Is there any reason we can't map out the location of every nuclear weapon on the planet?

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Gen. Uvorvykishki (ret.), Ukrainian Delegate to the People's Congress

I propose we dedicate our 5 year plan to design, research, prototype, and produce a space superiority ship by 1987. If this initiative passes, I would like to have a design contest where scientists and engineers can submit truly next generation ships for use in the defense of Sol. I suggest we commit 25 of our 40 labs to this project. Our remaining labs should be distributed between improvements in construction, mining, and research efficiency.

Our industry will continue to focus on the conversion of conventional industry to TN equipped structures, per the Drunken Bear policy. No more than 25% of our industry can be allowed to be diverted to other projects.

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Sanev.Khan posted:

everything proposed has been seconded, or even seconded several times already, no?

Well, almost everything, anyways. :smith:

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sebmojo posted:

I reckon we need the spaceships with the missiles woosh kablammo SECONDING whatever act will produce those

I can help you with that:

Gen. Uvorvykishki (ret.), Ukrainian Delegate to the People's Congress

I propose we dedicate our 5 year plan to design, research, prototype, and produce a space superiority ship by 1987. We should dedicate resources to building a dedicated 1000 ton shipyard, with at least 3 slipways, to the production of these ships.


Sanev.Khan posted:

ship designs proposals from the Centre d'Analyses Techniques Spatiales (CATS), one of 1000 tons and one of 3000 because I had the time to faff around.
code:
A1 class Patrol Craft      999 tons       31 Crew       78.6 BP       TCS 20    TH 50    EM 0
2503 km/s      Armour 1-8       Shields 0-0       HTK 7      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 0      PPV 3
Maint Life 3.09 Years     MSP 17    AFR 23%    IFR 0.3%    1YR 3    5YR 40    Max Repair 25.00 MSP
Lieutenant Commander    Control Rating 1   
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Morale Check Required    

Nuclear Thermal Engine  EP50.00 (1)    Power 50.0    Fuel Use 175.78%    Signature 50.00    Explosion 12%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 10.3 billion km (47 days at full power)

10cm Railgun V10/C3 (1x4)    Range 10,000km     TS: 2,503 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 10,000 km    ROF 5       
Beam Fire Control R20-TS2500 (1)     Max Range: 20,000 km   TS: 2,500 km/s     31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Pressurised Water Reactor R3 (1)     Total Power Output 3    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor AS15-R100 (1)     GPS 700     Range 15.5m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor AS2-R1 (1)     GPS 5     Range 2.8m km    MCR 253.9k km    Resolution 1

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


Alternatively, should people prefer to stick with existing shipyard infrastructure, the following design would do well:

Sanev.Khan posted:

code:
B1 class Patrol Ship      2,996 tons       88 Crew       255.9 BP       TCS 60    TH 150    EM 0
2503 km/s      Armour 2-18       Shields 0-0       HTK 24      Sensors 5/5/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 9
Maint Life 3.48 Years     MSP 80    AFR 48%    IFR 0.7%    1YR 10    5YR 151    Max Repair 37.50 MSP
Commander    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Morale Check Required    

Nuclear Thermal Engine  EP75.00 (2)    Power 150.0    Fuel Use 143.52%    Signature 75.00    Explosion 12%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 10.5 billion km (48 days at full power)

10cm Railgun V10/C3 (3x4)    Range 10,000km     TS: 2,503 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 10,000 km    ROF 5       
Beam Fire Control R20-TS2500 (1)     Max Range: 20,000 km   TS: 2,500 km/s     31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Pressurised Water Reactor R9 (1)     Total Power Output 9.1    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor AS17-R60 (1)     GPS 780     Range 17.8m km    Resolution 60
Active Search Sensor AS2-R1 (1)     GPS 5     Range 2.8m km    MCR 253.9k km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1.0-5.0 (1)     Sensitivity 5.0     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  17.7m km
EM Sensor EM1.0-5.0 (1)     Sensitivity 5.0     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  17.7m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

On Earth, I propose that we stay the course with our conversion efforts for conventional mining and factory establishments. I believe we should put a strict limit of no more than 20% of our terrestrial industrial might going to any special project for the next 5 years.

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Zurai posted:

Isn't producing a dedicated warship a direct breach of law? We'd have to repeal the law banning warships before we started work on one.

3 month deployment time, thus strictly dedicated to home system defense.

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Foxfire_ posted:

Is this proposing to research and build these ships specifically (also have you checked that it is even possible to research all the precursor stuff, components, and build a yard for it in 5 years), or just to set a goal and have a future session do designs?

Like many great politicians, I have no fricken idea. I don't actually play this game, and I want to be involved. That's about it.

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SK-38, Expand Interkosmos Academy NO
SK-39, Repeal Five-Year Plans NO
HC-40, Integrate North America YES
S-41, Research and Deploy Spying Technology YES
A-42, Surveil the Mars Ruins YES
JR-43, The Extraplanetary Focus Discovery Act YES
I-44, Administrative Overhaul YES
I-45, Diplomatic Overtures YES
P-46, Venera Initiative 2.0 NO
NM-47, the Trans-Newtonian Global Network Project YES
F-48, Organizational Capacity YES
F-49, Long-Term Research Efficiency YES
P-50, X-COM NO
Z-51, IRPA YES
I-52, Armed Spacecraft Development YES
W-53, Lunplan Expansion NO
W-54, Medals YES
W-55, Rename the Comintern YES
H-56, More Medals YES

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There’s a lot of discussion on how it could be done, but I think the main question is “why?” I realize there’s likely no in game benefit, so I’m curious what people think the fluff advantage is. Other than being rad as gently caress.

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idhrendur posted:

I firmly agree with proposals to have a quarantine of some form. We will do our best to make it a pleasant one, but bringing them to Earth too quickly has the potential to be completely disastrous.

Seems like it would be easier to keep them quarantined on Luna. Or, how long would it take to setup the infrastructure to support them on Mars? A couple weeks, maybe?

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The Site: A
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