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Research:B, A, C NM-08: Yes NM-09: No B-11: No K-10: Yes JR-13: No Servetus fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Oct 20, 2020 |
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Luna: ABCD Gladio: BACD Survey Ships: B Survey Priorities: BAC S-17: Yes F-18: Yes, I'm not entirely pleased by the simple population threshold, and wish that we could create a more nuanced system, but the right of workers to self organize must be protected F-19: Yes JR-20: Yes, and our armed ships should approach unknown vessels with gun ports open to signify our honesty and openness. A-21: Yes Logistics Expansion: No, we should wait until we have refined the technology a little Y-23: Yes Edited: Changed my vote on F-18 Servetus fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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Oct 26, 2020 20:54
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Realistically we aren't going to be ready for military shipbuilding until we solve some technical issues. Given that the "no warships" clause was added to the "no firing first" motion there is no reason we can't repeal it the moment we feel there is a need. Also, needing to fill half our missile magazines with sensor probes in peacetime will fulfill the requirements of the clause, so if we are building missile craft it will hardly restrict us at all.
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Oct 29, 2020 00:48
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Are ranges measured in straight distances, instead of using more fuel efficient but less direct transfer orbits? Because at it's furthest oint Jupiter is about 1 billion km from the Earth, and Neptune can be as much as 4.7 billion km from Earth. Those small survey "fighters" with 11.4 billion km range should be able to travel across all the inner system and a large part of the outer system. If we were to hypothetically find some way to travel between systems we would probably need the tender or another larger survey ship.
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Oct 29, 2020 18:16
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23 days to Jupiter at it's furthest point, 109 days to Neptune. With Foxfire's design it will be less than 8 days to Jupiter and around 35 to Neptune. At furthest distances in the orbits obviously.
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Oct 29, 2020 18:53
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The inner system trips should be easy in the Small Fry, but it's a long haul to explore the outer system without a faster tender/carrier to carry the Small Fry.Zurai posted:This is possible, although I'll note that it's micro-intensive for the person actually playing the game. The good thing about a survey carrier is that it doesn't need to be a military ship, although civilian hangars don't stop the maintenance clocks on ships they hold. This does beg the question: would making a "military" carrier with military hangers to carry our civilian survey craft be consistent with our present no warships regulations?
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Oct 29, 2020 19:06
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Comrades, the recent violence shows clearly that we cannot fix our gaze solely on the Cosmos; the suffering here on Earth will hold our attention whether we will it or not for the time being. While our current aid efforts have done incredible work finding homes and new lives for the refugees, many of those we helped will suffer for years and decades from the effects of radiation poisoning. We are uniquely positioned to help in this regard; space is more radioactive than all but the most inhospitable fallout zones, and research in managing and alleviating the consequences of radiation exposure has been a part of space exploration since the first cosmonauts. I therefore propose that, upon the conclusion of our next current research project, labs are to be allocated to studies in Biology/Genetics with an emphasis on treatment of radiation poisoning. This will be vital for the people of Lunagrad, bereft as they are of a protective magnetic field and atmosphere, as it will be for so many back on earth. I do not have a good name for this proposal. The capacities of our new sensor systems astound, and offer the opportunity for us to quicken the end of the continuing conflicts. While some of the Fascist groups causing this terror hide amongst the populace others hide in the wilderness. Sensors that can resolve an oar powered that sunk two thousand years ago could easily resolve a fascist base or convoys. We could then pass information to friendly governments and autonomous zones. Or, if the situation truly demanded it, we could do a weapons test. I therefore call for the Friendly Eyes in Space To Extinguish Reactionaries: We should find a way to provide sensor coverage of known fascist redoubts outside of urban areas, and maintain surveilance on them. This could involve satellites, the Small Fry design, or any other method of maintaining surveillance using our new tech.
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Nov 1, 2020 00:32
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Rhjamiz posted:Speaking of Q-Ships, Orbital monitoring of any launch facilities in non-Comintern-aligned nations? Maintaining a small body of fighters that can scramble in the case of an emergency? Maintaining a larger warship near our shipyards? FESTER does make provisions for orbital monitoring. We clearly don't have anywhere near the knowledge to create ships that would stand up to the Roswell craft, and we should probably be more worried about hijackers on our freighters than a military strike. Still, there are reactionary groups with access to military assets on the surface and the possibility of a strike on orbital facilities is not completely beyond possibility if a nation chooses to ally with these fascists. Edit: I don't know if even making little fighters or FACs would be a waste of resources right now, but it is possible Servetus fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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Nov 1, 2020 21:01
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Rhjamiz posted:Would designing a Fighter capable of spaceflight go against the anti-Warship clause? I am uncertain how restricted we are in that regard. FAC absolutely would, I suspect, being built in the Shipyard. But ground-based fighters who just so happen to be space-capable seems like it might have wiggle-room. If they are missile fighters we can fill the magazines half full of sensor probes and half full of missiles and fulfill the requirements of that clause.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:10
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I ride bikes all day posted:Instead of trying to find loopholes in this foolish legislation, let's just repeal FESTER. FESTER hasn't been approved yet, I put it up for a vote this session The no warship clause was added to JR-20. quote:The development or construction of warships is banned, with the exception of those strictly necessary to ensure the defense of humanity. In game terms, this means that any armed spacecraft larger than 1000 tons must have either a deployment time of less than three months (to allow for defensive and short-ranged patrol vessels), an explicit and specific scientific or exploratory role for which its weapons are necessary (subject to the interpretation of the People's Congress), or one of the following: a Diplomacy Module, Geosurvey or Gravsurvey Sensors, large passive sensors, or a missile magazine that is kept loaded at least 50% with sensor drones/buoys or survey drones/buoys during peacetime. CIWS do not count as weapons for the purposes of this restriction, and this restriction is immediately voided should the Comintern ever find itself in a state of war with another spacefaring power or civilization. FESTER is the acronym for Friendly Eyes in Space To Extinguish Reactionaries. Servetus fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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Nov 1, 2020 21:22
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Foxfire_ posted:Are people interested enough in fighters for it to be worth writing up a proposal for research headed in that direction? Seems like there is at least a little pro-fighter lobby. The engine boost techs would also cross-over with missiles or FACs. I'd definitely like to see what building up a fighter centered navy looks like. In the other LP we went for big laser armed battleships and blazing speed.
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Nov 1, 2020 22:33
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After looking over Foxfire's list of technological research to create fighters I would like to withdraw Friendly Eyes in the Sky To Extinguish Reactionaries (FESTER). It is clear to me now that without research in some foundational technologies responding to a hijacking situation is as yet beyond us, and we would be better served focusing on aid, industrial conversion, and basic research. I plan to resubmit this legislation at a later date, but the time is not right. Edit: And the legislation ended up in anyway, fortunately in a form that won't break our resources. Servetus fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Nov 2, 2020 13:23
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Prefixes: AGFBEDC Research: DABC Socialist Aid Program: BAC I-24 No A-25 yes K-26 Yes F-27 Yes F-28 Yes F-29 Yes L-30 Yes I-31 No H-32 Yes N-33 Yes N-34 Yes S-35, FESTER:Yes A-36 Yes A-37 Yes
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Nov 5, 2020 01:38
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I agree with Comrade Cryo. We need to to be careful; both the protect our cosmonauts from whatever hazards the site must entail but also to ensure that we do not damage the site. Make sure no one approaches the site until we can create an appropriate set of protocols and assemble a team.
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Nov 8, 2020 01:14
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I expected us to manage surveillance of a few remaining military holdouts; like that group in America up in the mountains who just declared their leader another president. Get some goodwill with friendly governments, keep an eye on their hot spots while they had to deal with Gladio infiltration. I never expected to see this much of the Gladio network; I never expected...this. Drinks another shot of something strong It's fortunate that Gladio put their faith in the technology of their radio network instead of good fieldcraft.
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Nov 9, 2020 04:09
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GunnerJ posted:So the game is modelling GLADIO as a whole AI-controlled empire? Can it build spaceships? That's a chilling possibility. I propose we divert labs to ELINT research as soon as possible. We need to break GLADIO's codes quickly. We also need to locate that transmission source around the North Sea; I suspect a NATO nuclear submarine.
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Nov 9, 2020 14:55
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Asterite34 posted:The signal in the North Sea could be a problem. If it turns out to be the Revenge or some other NATO remnant nuclear submarine, then it might be something of a "Dead Man's Switch," with orders to fire a nuclear payload if it goes without regular check-ins, an insurance policy if the rest of the organization is hopelessly dismantled. We have a surveillance advantage at the moment, but if we tip our hand too early, even with a simultaneous coordinated raid on every identified likely Gladio site, it could be disastrous. However, if we wait too long, Gladio might find out about FESTER and decide to burn all their compromised assets, and us, in nuclear fire. We need to find and neutralize that mobile signal. It is possible that they are simply using a civilian freighter as a cover, to keep their command mobile. Until we know we have to assume the worse however. Cracking their codes is a first priority, once we've identified the transmission source we can compare ship movements to see if it is a surface vessel, and search for a potential submarine. We should also start looking into a plan for dealing with the submarine, if it exists: what would be the most effective weapons platform for cutting the head off the snake. A meson turret may be most effective for stopping a missile launch, but we need suggestions on how to destroy the submarine without it getting a message out or launching.
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Nov 9, 2020 19:33
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Trying to find every bit of radioactive material in the world is a little outside of our current needs. We need to identify and locate one vessel, possibly a nuclear submarine, and work out what kind of resources we need to deal with Gladio. Tracking down every scrap of Uranium in the world or building a global missile defense shield are a little outside of our current needs.
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Nov 10, 2020 00:13
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I would like to put forward my own plan. I propose that we make the capability to decrypt the GLADIO network a research priority; and until we achieve that capability and have it deployed in the field we play our cards close to the vest. We should keep our disruptions of their network minimal to disguise our surveillance until we have broken their codes and identified the North sea contact. Then we can determine the best way to launch a decisive strike. As an addendum; while this is not part of the main proposal I would ask that comrades well-versed in military design weigh in on the design of craft or ground batteries with point defense capable of stopping a pre-TNE missile attack. Should the worse come to pass and GLADIO possesses a submarine still capable of launching a missile attack, we must be ready to defend the people.
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Nov 10, 2020 23:50
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Foxfire_ posted:Minimum is researching (1) some sort of direct-fire weapon, (2) finish theoretical active sensor research, (3) a specific turret design to mount it, (4) a specific fire control sensor, (5) a specific active sensor design, (6) a ground formation to contain it. Basic gauss cannon is 1500RP, but it's one of the fields we're good at (2.2X research speed). The specific designs afterwards are all small change, about a couple hundred total at most. I there a particular reason to use a ground formation over a satellite for this purpose? Foxfire_ posted:Proposal: Organizational wealth Capacity Both proposals Seconded
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Nov 11, 2020 01:00
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Foxfire_ posted:Not huge ones. Gauss cannon might need to be cut down a bit to fit into a fighter/satellite. Also our ability to manufacture fighters will be dropping away as CI continues to convert into not-fighter factories. Probably still have enough if we did this soon since there's a lot to chew through still. Depending on what finances looks like & what we're planning with research, we might want to redirect some of the CI->organization center conversions into fighter/ordnance factories (1RP costs 1 wealth, so more productive labs are more expensive) I'm concerned that if we use ground formations it may give away the situation to GLADIO. They might connect a buildup in anti-air/anti-missile batteries near the North Sea with our target and warn them. If the cannons are mounted on a satellite or vessel in orbit it would be harder for them to recognize it. In addition, we have that proposal to arm Comrade PurpleXVI, and I would much rather give the good comrade plenty of point defense instead of missiles or carronades. Less chance of an incident.
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Nov 11, 2020 04:02
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Antilles posted:I was looking at the list of researchable techs posted ages back, and got to wondering... is ship-to-ship boarding in this game? If so, there's an argument to be made that ships focusing on microwaves and boarding would be a great fit to our current 'space coast guard' limit on our navy. According to conversations in the other thread boarding is in the game. We would have to build a fleet around very close engagements.
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Nov 15, 2020 22:16
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Kitfox88 posted:Can Microwave tech shoot out engines? Or is it just for sensors and other sorts of disruptions? This is kind of the key question. Otherwise it's more like "shoot the enemy up with lasers or carronades, use microwaves to blind sensors so the enemy can't get so many hits in, and board whoever is left".
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Nov 16, 2020 02:19
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Antilles posted:Hmm, so a point ship loaded with microwaves and point defense to soak damage and blind the enemy (maybe a few mesons, space permitting, to gamble on hitting the engine) combined with a fast low-armor unarmed assault troop ship could work? Are the boarding troops just generic crewmen, or do we get to design them like ground troops (f.ex. giving them power armor)? Try docking with something that can reach speeds of thousands of kilometers a second with nigh inconceivable acceleration. I'd be amazed if anyone survived the docking attempt. Frankly the stealthy torpedo bomber model seems the most practical one suggested so far.
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Nov 16, 2020 03:24
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Make radio contact ASAP, and start working to be able to send the fullteam in a few weeks. We may have to move local resources before then if they are in immediate humanitarian emergency, but if they have lasted for decades a few weeks before we can send the full team should be OK. We won't know until we talk to them and get more information though.
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Dec 16, 2020 03:15
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But why would aliens choose to sit around sending that message to trap us? They have the technology to strike at us on Earth or Luna, and have had that capability for quite some time. If they want to hurt us they can reach us easily, they don't need to lure us.
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Dec 16, 2020 21:59
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OK, so we need a quarantine facility for the people we rescue, either at Barsoom or Lunagrad. We will need psychological support for the debriefing as well, and we need a transport ship out there ASAP to bring in supplies and start ferrying people. Keeping the site pristine is no longer a priority, Earth bacteria is already spreading down there. We still need to worry about alien bacteria getting into our habitats, but bacteria are unlikely to spread quickly on Mars or Luna.
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Dec 19, 2020 14:03
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Redeye Flight posted:Fletcher somehow looks even more tired than usual; the scene behind him is the set of a minor Berlin news network's main stage, commandeered in haste. Seconded
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Dec 20, 2020 15:53
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Asterite34 posted:Fair point, no one here in the People's Congress is (as far as I know) an infectious disease expert, best leave it to the trained professionals and just focus on policy priorities. As long as they're being properly quarantined to avoid any Thing shapeshifters or, more likely, a Spanish Flu outbreak. These guys ARE from 1918 after all. Fortunately the risk of that threat is minimal at this stage. The 337 who are awake have been so for a year, and the flu would have gone through that population if any of them had it. If more people wake up there could be a lot more pathogens the survivors, and us, could be exposed to.
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Dec 22, 2020 04:59
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Telsa Cola posted:As an IRL archaeologist we wouldn't really be pissed depending on what you actually did. Replica American flags wouldn't be a huge deal but all the foot prints would given that one of THE major site components would be the foot prints of the astronauts. This would 100% be a site that would be recommended for preservation. So, raise a framework around the actual site, so it can't be disturbed by micrometeorites or footprints or future hypothetical terraforming? I'm trying to think of what would be involved in preserving the site when the important thing is some footprints in the dust.
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Z the IVth posted:I do hope it's "Bollocks, we're rogered." And not. "Bollocks to this, fire torpedoes!". It could also mean "That's a load of Bollocks, you're bluffing". It's quite an ambiguous word.
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Jul 16, 2021 01:32
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