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Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
4, 1, 3, 2

Baikonur currently has the biggest and most capable infrastructure but is limited in growth by the fact that it is located in the middle of nowhere, without good infrastucture outside the a rail-line. The same goes for the Dongfeng Aerospace City, but without the already existing infrastructure. Vandenberg is just a couple of military infrastructure, without industry, but being located near Los Angeles and San Francisco would allow for rapid growth.

Ascension Island on the other hand is located close to mayor shipping lines, mainly the Europe-South America as well as well as the Cape-bound traffic from Europe as well as the former US, which allows us to quickly ship massive amounts of freight to and from the launch-site. The place is located closely to the equator, greatly simplifying launch-procedures and allowing for the construction of a space-elevator at a later date. Furthermore the place is only remotely aligned with any major power, making the base a true symbol of international fraternity.

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Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
G-3 A strong industrial basis is the foundation of any society. We need to heal the scars left by the revolution, and for this we require the workers in the laboratories to provide the tools to the industrial workers.

F-6 To paraphrase the great Lenin: Communism is the international gouvernance of the Fifth International and the TNE-implementation in the whole industrial complex. Building only a few select TNE-combines would demonstrate a lack of resolve in easing the labours of our workers as well as demonstrating such a lack of resolve to the yet undecided political entities on Earth which might lead to a re-emergence of the outmoded capitalistic method of production.

Implement F-7 Unlike the western-imperialistic forces we can not abide slack in our technological efforts to spread the revolution.

Implement DP-05 While there's no immediate need for expansion, building a limited outpost in preparation of future endeavours would be beneficial. But I must stress the correct nomenclature of this project. A 'colony' is a tool of imperialism to exploit and enslave the workers. We should stress the fact that we will build an outpost, a shining beacon of the final liberation of mankind from the shackles of capitalism.
PS: We should totally name the place 'Lunagrad'.



NewMars posted:

As someone who is new to Aurora, is there any possibility of slash potential benefit to building gundam-esque orbital colonies?

Totally. They won't even need shipyards to build.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Well, we have been duped by the Hawaiians. Sadly, there's nothing we can do about it. Right now we can only accept the facts and keep a wary eye on them.

Furthermore I propose the Socialist aid program: Currently we experience a nuclear winter, with the massive ecological and climatological consequences we witnessed earlier this year. On top of this there still exist the massive amounts of refugees as a consequence of The Great Revolutionary War. Instead of stooping down to the level of the capitalist opressors and supressing unrest with jackbooted troops, I propose the production of modular, prefabricated housing to ease the rampart homelessness and the resulting criminal activities.

(in game-terms: Production of infrastructure, using the SM-function to delete the infrastructure and increasing our stability.)

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Research: B-A-C
We must currently put our focus on implementing the benefits of TNE-technology closely at home. We might modernize our industrial base wit a few select pieces of TNEs right now, but this is a far cry from the potential which modernized communications, tools and materials could reap all across the board.
NM-08: Yes
International cooperation is one of thecornerstones of socialism.
NM-09: Yes & K-10: Yes
We must do our utmost to fulfill our mission towards the victims of capitalist agression.
B-11: No
While tempting, Comrade ganthony summed it up perfectly: to expensive. We would need years to develop this technology to a point where it could compete with current farming and housing techniques.
JR-13: No
We will not turn our guns against our own population, as the imperialists did. While having some cadres ready to expand into a proper planetary defence force would be advantageous in the long run, a military buildup aimed against civilians would hardly be prudent in the current political climate.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Please consider the future of our space-program logically. Our current operations consist of freighters running across extremely short distances. While we assume there are at least two other spacegoing factions out there, we know basically nothing about them. As a matter of fact, we barely know anything about our own solar system. By beginning a comprehensive survey of the celestial bodies of our system, we will be able to collect vital experience in conducting long-range/long-duration operations in high-performance spacecraft, further scientific knowledge and identify critical sources of limited TNEs. Furthermore we might find further traces of extraterrestrial civilizations.

The possible exinstence of a fascist terrorist organisation on earth and the moon is worrying in the extreme. In the light of current events I propose the detachment of one of our security battalions to the moon, either as a component of the scientific expedition under MOSAs control, of by passing operational control to the Lunar Socialist Republic, conditional on the future status of this body.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Doing away with the Five-Year-Plan:
Regarding the implementation of Project Cybersyn under the Inter-Network infrastructure
By Academician Kodos


Project Cybersyn demonstrated remarkable capabilities regarding the management of the means of production and transportation inside a modern economy. We should discuss the theoretical framework of implementing a similar system of measures, as well as techniques developed by capitalist entrepreneurs into the infrastructure of the Inter-Network currently being constructed.

Project Cybersyn linked individual factories with a central planning facility to transmit certain key-figures and allow the precise computation of production and required materials, allowing a flexible response to changing conditions, as demonstrated by the recent quick response to a foreign-instigated strike in the transport-sector. Currently the system utilizes telex-machines and manually operated computers to input data and enacting control over individual centres of production. By using a fully automated system of collecting and transmitting these data, the efficiency of such a system could be greatly enhanced.

The capitalist system recently developed similar principles to manage their means of production, albeit motivated by greed instead of a desire to eliminate wastage, called Just-In-Time manufacturing. Summarized briefly, this system strove to reduce inventories of material and intermediate products by synchronizing production processes deliveries. Such practices require precise measurement of stocks of materials, manufacturing times as well as highly punctual deliveries of the correct materials required as well as the distribution of the final products.

I propose the implementation of networked individual workstations (the current model Robotron 1715 will enter mass-production in October) on a widespread basis to facilitate precise planning and management of demand, bypassing a centralised infrastructure to allow for quick, flexible responses. Similar procedures are implemented art the end of supply-chains, such as shops, research centres and similar venues, to reduce unnecessary stock, especially of perishable goods.

Build upon this local planning infrastructure I propose a medium layer of planning in which bottlenecks in individual factories can be compensated by 'out-sourcing' (another capitalist term, initially denoting the utilizing of even cheaper foreign labour in their production processes) production to other factories, even from completely different sectors of industry with free capacities and the required machines. Furthermore existing capacities in the transportation sector can be utilized more efficiently by real-time transmission of shipping-orders and more efficient scheduling of trains.

Finally, large scale planning can be freed from the inflexible timetable of Five-Year-Plans, requiring periodically assessment of the state of the economy and the formulation of new plans. We will be able to know every relevant figure of the economy, down to the running-time of individual machines, at a moments notice while automated creations of factory-orders allow for quick changes even on large scales.

In summary, the implementation of technology currently in development as well as the utilization of existing techniques in combination with technology yet to be developed will yield massive gains in industrial capability, allow better provisioning of the population and enables us to rapidly respond to the challenges posed by the quickly changing circumstances we currently find us in.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Lunagrad: A - B - C - D
GLADIO: B - C - A - D
Survey ships: B
Survey: B - A - C
S-17: YES
F-18: YES
F-19: YES
JR-20: YES We are currently incapable of building economically viable warships and know nothing of the wider galaxy. While we know of an armed conflict having taken place between alien powers, without further knowledge to shape our doctrine, building ships now, which will be obsolete anyway within the foreseeable future, is merely a waste of resources. Maybe the construction of a small number of experimental vessels might provide a pool of experienced officers as well as gathering experimental data for future development.
A-21: YES
S-22: YES
Y-23: YES

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Did anybody noticed, how we are still using bourgeois ranks?
I hereby propose the Adaption of a revolutionary rank-structure.

Naval ranks:

Lieutenant Commander >> Junior officer 2nd Rank
Commander >> Junior Officer 1st Rank
Captain >> Ship Commander
Rear Admiral (lower half) >> Fleet Officer 3rd Rank
Rear Admiral (upper half) >> Fleet Officer 2nd Rank
Vice Admiral >> Fleet Officer 1st Rank
Admiral >> Flag Officer 2nd Rank
Fleet Admiral >> Flag Officer 1st Rank

Ground Forces ranks:

Major >> Major
Lieutenant Colonel >> Pdpolkovnik
Colonel >> Polkovnik
Brigadier General >> Kombrig
Major General >> Komdiv
Lieutenant General >> Komkor
General >> Komandarm
General of the Army >> Marshall

and the title of scientist should be: 'Member of the international Academy of Science' of short 'Academician'

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
I propose the Naval Deep Battle doctrine

Previous military experience gained in the capitalist wars of aggression showed the advantage of specialized hardware in battle. The battles of the great patriotic war demonstrated further the power of specialized systems operating close cooperation.
Our naval forces should consist of at least three, and possibly more distinct components, with unique lineages of design.

The main force should consist of heavily armoured vessels specialized for close combat. These should be able to dictate the range in battle and be capable of defending themself to some degree.

A fire-support force will cover their approach with massed missile fire to degrade their ability to respond in a useful way to our approaching main-force.

Finally a highly mobile force geared towards extremely close engagements will delivery a 'fighter shock' by massed salvoes of short-ranged missiles or guns.

These three main-components will be enhanced by a small number of additional craft, consisting of, but not limited to the following:

long-ranged patrol craft

carrier/FAC-tender

anti-fighter/missile escorts

stealth raiders / recon-platforms

tanker and ammunition/maintenance-supply carriers

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Rhjamiz posted:

How effective is cloaking tech in this game? My understanding is that it just delays the enemy's ability to spot you on the approach and you can't do Romulan or Submarine style hit-and-fade attacks where you appear, shoot some missiles, and then disappear again.

Pretty much. To start a small effort-post here:

Cloaking-device (picture an 'grav-dampener' or similar):

they reduce the target-cross section of a ship. Functionally, they appear as a smaller ship to active grav-sensors.
Initially, they are huge. You need to dedicate about a third of your ship to such a device, and you require a substantial number of RPs to build even that. We're looking at 18k just to research the basic technologies and another 3125 for the actual cloaking device.

Below is the smallest, most basic cloaking device we could build. It reduces our signature by 74%, so the ship would look like a 938 ton FAC.

code:
Max Ship Size 75  (3,750 tons)
Size 25 HS  (1,250 tons)      Efficiency 3    HTK 5
Cost 312.5    Crew 50
Development Cost 3125 RP

Materials Required
Corbomite  312.5
But this is a cloak only if you consider active sensors, you still need to worry about passive sensors.

Thermal reduction

To reduce thermal signature, you need to design special engines, the technologies are quite affordable, 25% reduction clocks in at 1500 RP, and a 50% reduction at 3000. By checking the appropriate tech, you build an engine with reduced thermal emission, but at much increased costs in RP and resources.

The only way to prevent detection by EM-sensors is not using any active sensors.

So, to have your maximum stealth-ship, you will need an expensive cloaking device, low-power, baffled engines, powerful thermal and em-sensors to evade possible hostiles and finally a weapon system. As you can't use active sensors, beams are out of the question outright. Missiles would need to be equipped with on-board sensors and possibly a low-powered lower stage to get separation from the launch point before you light active seekers and have the required stand-off range. Having a stealth-carrier would need a much better cloaking device (efficiency is the measure for the weight of a ship which could be cloaked by a given weight of cloaking device), but could infiltrate an enemy system and strike at will.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Foxfire_ posted:

I think trying to do big sweeping plans doesn't end up working that well since doctrine voting and implementation voting don't mesh up and we don't have the pieces needed for the doctrine. What would this mean in terms of research focus or shipbuilding right now?

My idea ran mostly along building specialized hulls geared towards a specific role, unlike the Star-Destroyer doctrine.

But from the top of my head I would propose the following bullet-points:
Plan our shipyards-expansion to have slipways ready for a 10 -15 kton Hull, this yard will alternate between successive frontline and support-vessels.
Have a 5 kton hull with multiple slipways for escorts and specialist craft and possibly a FAC-yard, unless we go the fighter-route.
Make a decision regarding our primary beam-weapon as well as weather we should build our missile/fighter-defence around coilguns or anti-missiles.
Will we equip our small combatants with short-ranged missiles or beam-weapons? Do we use swarm of coilgun-armed fighters?
Do we use civilian support-vessels for our small craft or military carriers, which would in turn eat into our capital-ship construction capacity.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Prefixes: E - G - D - A - B - C - F

Research: C - B - D - A

Socialist aid: A - B - C

I -24: No

A-25: Yes

K-26: Yes

F-27: Yes

F-28: Yes

F-29: Yes

L-30: No

I-31: Yes

H-32: No

N-33: Yes

N-34: Yes

S-35: Yes

A-36: No

A-37: No

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Speech by Academician Kodos upon the inauguration of the research project tasked with the improvement of TNE mining.

Comrades, all of you are aware of the current crisis faced by our ongoing effort in TNE-based industrialisation. Our demand of Neutronium has outstripped our ability to mine this mineral and depleted all stock we managed to accumulate. Without such a super-hard material we cannot produce the nearly indestructible machine-tools and wear-resistant bearings needed for any kind of modern applications.
While implementing purpose-build machinery for the productions of TNEs will be a necessary first step into the future of mankind, we must boldly investigate further into the scientific mysteries of these minerals as well as the surrounding phenomena to achieve a better understanding of the cosmos.

TNEs are condensing out of the Aether inside of gravity-wells such as planets, asteroids or even the stars themself. Most curiously, this process is not as uniform as it seems, leaving distinct loads of TNEs, surprisingly similar to the conventional minerals we are mining right now. By sinking shafts and galleries into the space dimensionally 'adjacent' to such a load and installing the machinery to penetrate the dimensional barrier, we are able to distil these materials into realspace where we can put them to use. Obviously this process pays little or no respect to the surface-features of the planetary body in question, with deposits located under the oceans, mountains or deep within the mantle, further complicating the extraction.

By understanding the way these deposits are formed, we will be able to better understand the extend and location of these bodies of TNEs, we will enable a much more precise and economic placement of the access-shafts, conserving materials required for scaffolding and allow for a more economic placement of the distillation-plants.

The design of these plants themselves will need to be formalized, replacing the crude and improvised pre-TNE-plants as well as the individually build and designed generation of mining-equipment with a modular, mass-produced system of distillation-plants as well as formalized set of operating procedures, configurations and manuals, allowing each individual plant inside a mining-complex to be fine-tuned to the location and desired product. Having such a universal system of equipment will obviously have even more benefits, as we can replace the current apprenticeship system of training with modern, scientifically managed schools for future mining-engineers with safe training-equipment, a formal syllabus as well as theoretical and practical textbooks.

Comrades, we have a monumental task ahead of us, don't dawdle, mankind requires nothing less than our utmost to deliver upon these promises made.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Pacho posted:

Is there a way for us to research an anti-missile, planet-wide defense system that could help us destroy potential NATO/Israeli/Japanese nukes before they reach their intended targets?

Memorandum by Academician Kodos in response to a request by the PVO of the Soviet Union

Missile-defense was ruled out as ineffective in the years prior to the revolution by several studies conducted by your organisation. Conventional weapons, such as SAMs or anti-aircraft artillery are incapable of engaging the hypersonic RVs of missiles plunging in from space, while the later could theoretically throw of a screen of exploding shells, the logistics of such a defence are plainly ridiculous. Nuclear tipped SAMs are considered an option, but will produce substantial fallout when employed in the required density to blot out incoming missiles and will degrade future electronic tracking.

TNEs will change the correlation of forces substantially.

Most theoretically envisioned weapons will be capable of destroying missiles (or aircraft in flight for that matter) to some degree. While missiles equipped with TNE-based engines are much more manoeuvrable than conventional units, their speed is still limited by having to traverse the atmosphere, which will rule out ground-based anti-ship missiles as well. Missiles fired from outside the atmosphere for an engagement at the apogee of the missiles trajectory will remain possible. LASERs and Meson-based weapons will prove effective as well, but will require substantial support-equipment, such as fast-traversing turrets, reactors and sensors for tracking and fire-control. As such, they are only useful when mounted on an orbiting vessel. While Coilguns will suffer from similar hindrances, with the exception of not requiring a high-power source of electric energy, the Red Navy hinted at a possible solution. Engineers from the Red Banner Northern Fleet have demonstrated the AK-630; a small, self-contained gatling-gun, equipped with sensors and capable of autonomously engaging incoming targets. Such a CIWS could possibly be implemented with TNE-enhanced sensors, power-systems and a coilgun as its main-weapon and fed from normal electric infrastructure.

This leaves us with two possible avenues of implementing any kind of global missile-defence:

- a fleet of small orbiting vessels, armed with weapons capable of engaging missiles outside the atmosphere.

- a network of ground-based CIWS-installations distributed over the territory of the COMINTERN


However none of the technologies discussed here are currently in or even close to being effectively deployed in the foreseeable future.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
SK-38, Expand Interkosmos Academy YES
SK-39, Repeal Five-Year Plans NO
HC-40, Integrate North America YES
S-41, Research and Deploy Spying Technology YES
A-42, Surveil the Mars Ruins YES
JR-43, The Extraplanetary Focus Discovery Act YES
I-44, Administrative Overhaul NO
I-45, Diplomatic Overtures YES
P-46, Venera Initiative 2.0 NO
NM-47, the Trans-Newtonian Global Network Project YES
F-48, Organizational Capacity YES
F-49, Long-Term Research Efficiency YES
P-50, X-COM YES
Z-51, IRPA YES
I-52, Armed Spacecraft Development NO
W-53, Lunplan Expansion YES
W-54, Medals YES
W-55, Rename the Comintern YES
H-56, More Medals YES

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
OK, comrades. This is officially weird.

What do we currently know:

There are structures on Mars, they generate power and possibly contain a human-compatible atmosphere.
A possible, and I stress this fact, possible sighting of an alien flying object. All we have is a sighting of a shape being spotted in highly degraded visual conditions.
A morse-signal claiming to come from a ship lost during the tail-end of WWI originating from the ruins mentioned above.

whereas we have a bunch of questions:

Was the ship transported to Mars, the crew and passengers miraculously survived, presumably by being transported to a pressurized room with an oxygen atmosphere, survived for 60 years on a hostile planet while continuing to send a distress-signal? After all this time a second generation must have taken over, the original crew and passengers must be well over 80 now. Most ship-to-ship communication happens over medium frequency, which they knew wouldn't penetrate Earth's atmosphere (this frequency-band was chosen precisely because it is reflected of the ionosphere). Why do they keep sending such a signal? Why not saying 'Help, survivors of USS Cyclops stranded on Mars.' or something similar, which gives someone not in orbit at least a clue about what has happened?
Are they kept on display in some kind of zoo, and managed to cobble up a primitive transmitter (a spark-gap transmitter is fairly easy to build and a possible signal-man would be versed in construction and operation of such a device)?
Why didn't a radio-telescope in Lunagrad picked this up? After all, we are able to probe a frequency-band previously inaccessibly to astronomy.

This is a trap. Think about it. Aliens sank USS Cyclops on purpose or by accident, recorded the emergency message and are now broadcasting it as a lure, as we begin to probe their installation.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

zanni posted:

I'd like to propose the Face of Mars Act. The basic aim of the FMA is to ensure that the rescue, debriefing, caretaking, and exploration process are kept under civilian jurisdiction and be focused on scientific study and humanitarian aid.

There are incredible implications behind the abductions, the working cryogenic technology, the apparent proof of past and current extraterrestrial interference in human life.. but the heart of the matter is there are a lot of stranded human beings down there that have up to 70 years of lost time and are going through an unprecedented and likely traumatic experience. This is a humanitarian crisis first and foremost.

We need food, shelter, doctors. Translators as well, we don't know how many people are there and what backgrounds they have. Engineers and scientists to study the cryo process so we can avoid any accidental harm from this unknown technology. People who can answer the abductee's questions on what the hell happened to them and what's happened back on Earth while they've been gone. Mental health services to help these people to cope with what they're going through, and with the loss of everyone and everything they knew.

And we need to eventually let the population back home know. I'm not saying we must share literally every detail, but this is too important to the fate of our entire species to keep hidden.

There will of course still be need for security services. The mention of this 'zeppelin' is worrying in the extreme. But the last thing we should be focusing on right now is a military coverup.

Get down there, help them out, find out what happened to them, and figure out what we're going to tell the rest of humanity once we know more.


Seconded

Right now we aren't under a bigger threat than before. We know that extraterrestrial life is out there. We know multiple factions to exist and engage in conflict. We have some kind of idea about the level of technology they possessed several decades ago.

Studying the installation on Mars, rescuing the abductees and trying to integrate them back into modern society should be our immediate concern. We should make efforts into preparing the technological means of defending ourselfs, but right now the immediate humanitarian and political problems back on earth have a priority over engaging in an double-blind armsrace with an enemy we know basically nothing about.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

The Awake: C
The Asleep: D
The Site: B
The Discord: abstain

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Crazycryodude posted:

Minor note: I'm not a native German speaker but I think that "Genosse" is the kind of comrade you read little red pamphlets with while "Kamerad" is the kind of comrade that's a random soldier next to you in the trench, and in the post-30's era can carry far-right connotations. Not that these dudes from 1918 would know about the Freikorps and Adolf and all that, and everyone here's military so it still makes sense.

As a native German-speaker I was in the process of posting something similar. lthough Hans could possibly refer to our Cosmonauts as fellow communist soldiers.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
While the current offer is certainly interesting, it leaves a rather bad taste. The implications of dealing with Japan on a equal base outside of the established structures of Comintern far outweighs the possible détente. We should not offer to construct modern vessels without formal membership, especially not for some intangible gains in regards of an already obsolete organisation and the remains of one of its former members.

We should engage in a piece of haggling ourselves by making an equally unpalatable counteroffer:

Japan decolonizes Hokkaido and Ryuko, the former being granted the Kuril-island chain as well as the southern tip of the Sakhalin peninsula as a gesture of mutuality by the Russian SFSR. This will visibly move the Comintern and its member states beyond the obsolete concept of empire-building.
Japan formally starts the admission-progress to Comintern, dependant on adaption of a truly democratic constitution, retaining the office of, although not its current inhabitant, emperor, remaining as a religious figurehead in a similar fashion to the pope. If the Japanese are so fond of sacrifice, then Emperor Hirohito should demonstrate something of this fondness himself.


This offer will most likely be rejected, but we publicly demonstrate the willingness to deal with Japan on our terms without looking like an aggressor.
A more workable final deal might contain the offer of full(well, almost full) operational control of the assets requested by the Japanese in exchange for the GLADIO-spies either used or outright controlled by the empire of Japan.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

SavageGentleman posted:

Was the Mars enclave the hideout for a mixed group of Roswell species rebels/ exilants / outsiders tjat were eventually found by the official military and exterminated? But yeah, its very strange that the winners/attackers did not bother with the recovery of their own fallen...did all attackers die AND all defenders, too?
Btw did the team find any Roswell kids or elders?

The situation looks strange indeed. But we must not make the mistake of employing human ethics to what is literally an alien civilization. Their values and practices might not consider the bodies of their fallen as deserving of respect, simply to be discarded. Various religious or ideological reasons could be constructed which could explain such a behaviour. Maybe they consider a dead body simply as a empty shell, devoid of anything deserving a respectful treatment. maybe their fallen are considered to have 'failed in their duties' or disgraced themselves by allowing themselves to be killed. Maybe individual lives are considered worthless in relation to the collective. The presence of specialized camouflage and seemingly improvised weapons by the 'defenders' might hint at them representing a guerilla-force, fighting against an overwhelming party. This might point at ideological differences between these factions. The lack of heavy weapons being used against planetary targets seems odd. maybe another cultural imperative exist, forbidding their use. Maybe pressing military needs precluded their employment, although I cannot comment on possible scenarios and like to refer such speculations to qualified specialists.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Developing Saturn or Neptune as our primary sources of Sorium is currently infeasible. While Sorium could be harvested and refined in a single step from the atmosphere of a gas-giant with some modifications to our current protocols under development, we are nowhere near having such infrastructure ready for use. Furthermore, to extract any industrially relevant amount we would need massive installations to house the machinery, store and transship the fuel as well as house the crews required for everything. We're talking about space-borne cities here, comrades.
The Sorium-industry on earth will be secure for decades to come.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Ian McDonald had the freaking cool idea of having a train containing a solar-powered smelter and foundry mounted in a train, permanently circling the moons equator to stay in the sunlight. Lunar trains are best trains.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

TDS posted:

A good point. Allow me to propose an alternative:

The SHIELD project
To ensure a basic level of defence against both rogue asteroids and unknown lifeforms, this act mandates the creation of a system of surface-based TNE railgun emplacements, capable of tracking fast-moving objects in earth's atmosphere or orbit, with integrated sensors for target acquisition.

AKA exactly the same thing, except we don't put the fact it's supposed to shoot down ICBMs right in the name.

To go hand in hand with it, I also propose the:

TNE Arms Industry Act
This act mandates an expansion of our ground force training facilities on earth, with the creation of three more facilities.

We need to train ground forces in the form of our railgun defences, where we want a lot to help make sure nothing gets through. We will need ground forces to deal with GLADIO. We will need ground forces for peacekeeping and garrisoning once we expand further. We also need construction and xenobiology forces to help excavate the mars ruins. Having just a single facility, the one on the moon, will not be enough long-term.

I second these. While I, as well as everyone else, hopes for a peaceful future, the historical process showed a persistent resistance against socialism. Sadly, the revolution still requires guards. Having the means to nullify nuclear missiles will at least restrict the destruction to the battlefield.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
This is interesting: The report of my young colleague mentioned a curious name: Mangala
A Hindu deity associated with Mars.
Do we have any Information whether Dr. Fujiwara has any knowledge of Hindu mythology? If not, this might hint at an external origin of this term, possibly coming from one of the frozen Roswells.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Asterite34 posted:

Deep-water aquaculture could certainly benefit from corrosion-resistant high tensile strength materials and compact energy generation. We have a planet to feed and people can't eat Duranium.

Deep-water aquaculture is possible even without TNE-based technology. Unless you mean deep-sea aquaculture. But right now we still have an abundance of potentially arable land. We would be better of by distributing low-maintenance tractors, equipment for converting agricultural waste into fuel as well as using boronide-sieves to purify sea-water.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Everyone on the sonar would know how hopelessly outmatched they were. They had been located in what they believed was a perfect hiding-place, basically impossible to find with pre-war equipment, MAD, active or passive sonar and even SOKS. They were ambushed by a hostile sub, which snuck up basically to point-blank-range and called them by telephone. When they went active, they saw a whole squadron waiting for them. They can't be that indoctrinated to mindlessly commit suicide, without even the slightest chance of even striking back.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Academician Kodos flopped onto the sofa of his hotel-room and helped himself to a generous measure of local liquor. A day of presentations and endless negotiations over industrial standards had finally ended, finally hammering out an agreement over palletized cargo for space-going freight.
A glance at his watch, a battered Ruhla Quartz-LCD, told him, that it was almost 7:30 PM, the jet-lag and the negotiations made it feel like midnight. Hefting the mobile computer to the table, thirteen kilo of Californian electronics stretched the definition of 'portable' to its utmost, he waited for the Osbourne 2 to boot up and took a sip from his drink. Like everyone he knew about the phenomenal discoveries made on Mars, and although he had already been briefed upon many of the technical details involved, he couldn't help but admire the sheer guts and ingenuity of the poor sailors stranded on a hostile planet.
Dialing into the electronic real-time chat maintained by his colleagues he looked forward to browsing the gossip and rumours circulating between some of the brightest minds of the planet.

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He raised an eyebrow, on Ascension island it was closing on 4AM, usually nobody would be present at this time of the day, except a few technicians watching long-term experiments or a researcher burning the midnight oil, but this amount of activity was exceptional.

code:
     KODOS666: What's up? Party at the lab? Why am I not invited?
     RED_SHARK: haven't you heard? Big strike against GLADIO happening all across Europe.
     LE_MECANO: Merde, Lyon is on fire! Nazis fighting the militia in the streets!
     STARGAZER: Grapewine has it, that they captured a NATO-sub over at your place, ready to launch their missiles.
     RED_SHARK: I heard that there was a huge battle, a full squadron of our U-Boats going after that missile-boat.
Well, that secret leaked quickly. This morning he had been contacted by a very serious looking man in suit and sunglasses, requesting his presence at a dockyard tomorrow in order to 'examine an captured piece of equipment from NATO/GLADIO' and quickly briefed him on the recent operation.

code:
     NOT_ROCKETSCIENCE: poo poo, the KGB just locked down the whoel place!
     STARGAZER: What are you talking about?
     NOT_ROCKETSCIENCE: Baikonur! They talked about a loose nuke
     LE_MECANO: I heard the Japanese Monarchists supplied the bombs, they had them hidden all over europe.
     KODOS666: I heard something similar, but then they realized what they were doing, and dropped the bastards faster than a hot pierogi
Well, that at least was the very condensed version he managed to puzzle together.

code:
     NOT_ROCKETSCIENCE: drat, I thought they locked this place down! A shuttle just launched, no countdown or anything! Nearly blew out the windows
     STARGAZER: KGB launching a daring mission?
     NOT_ROCKETSCIENCE: not bloody likely, the way our new friends look
     RED_SHARK: give some details!
     NOT_ROCKETSCIENCE: can't see much, but the trajectory is much to flat for a launch, and going the wrong way. due west.
     STARGAZER: Depressed trajectory! Not Ascension, or america.
     RED_SHARK: It's the verdammte GLADIO! They have a nuke on board and try to bomb Europa!
     LE_MECANO: The Air-raid sirens just started. It has been nice knowing you.
     STARGAZER: Well, say hello to world war four.
     RED_SHARK: All I ever wanted was a hot Arkonid babe, not another nuclear war...
Academician Kodos was suddenly wide awake. He watched helplessly as the world slipped into another crisis.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Kitfox88 posted:

Oh, I thought you explicitly needed a breeder reactor :nyoron:

Well, this depends. If you are serious about building a professional nuclear arsenal consisting of hundreds of weapons, you will need breeder reactors, as the plutonium you can get from reprocessing spent fuel is usually contaminated by a large amount of Pu240, lowering the yield by what is essential the equivalent of pre-ignition in a petrol-engine.

if you are a dictator bent on building a working nuke, not caring about achieving the most optimal yield, spent fuel is perfectly fine.

Historically the Soviet Union accepted inefficient weapons, as they could supplement purposefully bred plutonium by low-grade plutonium reprocessed from spent fuel from cheap RBMKs.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Minor bodies Survey and Utilization Act

We currently have the technological means to extract precious TNE-minerals from the minor bodies of our Solar system. I propose the design and construction of a testbed for asteroid mining, capable of independently surveying and mining objects in the asteroid belt and having sufficient endurance for longer mining-expeditions. This would supplement the Krusenstern Initiative by shouldering a part of the workload and will yield important minerals on the side as well as allowing us to gain proficiency with industrial processes in deep space.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Asterite34 posted:

We are a long way from any kind of qualitative parity with the Roswell stuff, we're still not sure what their qualities even are. We have only guesswork about their speed, maneuverability or weapons. We know they use missiles, but they could be filled with loving antimatter for all we know.

The best info we have is on the raw strength of their ship hulls, a material we as yet can't perfectly replicate. Heck, do we even know if our railguns can penetrate the stuff? Has anyone taken an Excalibur to the test range and lobbed a few shells at some Roswell hull sample? Because THEY sure as all hell have weapons that can tear through it like cardboard. Some of these concerns might be alleviated once we get a proper engineering team to dissect the intact Face ships, but that's a ways off yet.

That being said, we can hardly say we're skimping here, this is literally the most advanced weapons platform humanity has ever built, so it's kinda either this or some obviously worse alternative. The only other currently viable choice of armament is nukes, which we're all leery of sticking in orbit. Though frankly even these designs are all potential weapons of mass destruction by themselves. Just because they don't throw fallout everywhere doesn't mean that ten seconds of sustained fire from this thing wouldn't be as devastating as any tactical nuke.

To quote the imperialists: building a ship takes three years, building a new tradition takes three centuries. Vice-Admiral Sergey Gorshkov had already noted similar arguments for the necessity of a blue-water navy for the Soviet Union. We need to start building this tradition ASAP. It doesn't matter that our equipment is currently inferior to everything a potential opponent might pack. We need to build a culture for our Red Fleet. We need training regimes, doctrines, tactics, logistics, design bureaus, academies and all the small things which turns a bunch of hulls into an actual fleet. We need to show the population what an interplanetary fleet might be capable of, why we have to sacrifice the fruits of their labour. and finally we need a cadre of experienced crews to form a nucleus for a future fleet, if we are forced into building such a blunt instrument of the states power.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
B, the fast attack craft

and whoops about the mining vessel(s).

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Interkosmos station attack – final report

Condensed version for press release. Full text available at request

Overview of Interkosmos Station

The stations core consists of a cylindrical structure constructed from a geodesic structure of tritanium-aluminium trusses, with key structural elements manufactured from duranium-based alloys. This structure served initially as a small yard for space-borne construction but was relegated to a fabrication and storage area during subsequent expansion and modification of the station. Living space consists of several toruses rotating on rails on the central cylinder, simulating a gravity of .6g on the outer decks. Around the equatorial plane of this main structure a high-strength truss manufactured form a neutronium-duranium alloy forms a hexagonal ring onto which the slipways were mounted. The main docking-station was located on the main-cylinder, on the side arbitrarily designated as 'south pole'. The opposing 'north pole' mounted a set of nuclear reactors and thermal radiators, satisfying the immense power demand of the station.
At the time of the incident two slipways were in use, with a third, Slipway C, in the final stages of construction.
Each slipway is constructed upon a truss-work manufactured from tritanium-aluminium-alloy, with key structural members strengthened by incorporating duranium and neutronium into the alloy. This geodesic structure was covered by lightweight aluminium sheets. An irregular assembly of storage-containers, crew facilities, workshops and small docking facilities was mounted directly on the trusswork. A network of rails allow the transport of heavy loads as well as the movement of large pieces of manufacturing equipment, namely electron-beam welders, cranes and attachment structures for pressurized working environment.
This pressurized working environment consists of large tents pressurized to approximately 200 millibar, using waste gasses from various manufacturing processes. This allows shipyard personnel to perform work requiring high levels of dexterity, as spacesuits utilizing 100% oxygen as a breathing gas perform in pressure-equilibrium with the environment.

Incident report

On March 1st, 1983 at 3:46 Ascension standard time a shuttle presumably captured by agents loyal to GLADIO was determined to be approaching Interkosmos Station of a ballistic trajectory. A warning was immediately dispatched and evacuation procedures initiated. During the subsequent 80 seconds nearly 15% of personnel managed to leave the station with further 50% found shelter in hardened sections of the stations, designated as 'storm-shelters' in case of meteor-showers or solar storms. A rapid change of station attitude was initiated by the acting officer to interpose Slipway B between the incoming shuttle and the station-core.
At 3:47.46 a nuclear detonation was detected by various space- and ground based sensors, with an estimated yield of 185 ±12 kt, which is inline with estimates for the warhead presumably used by GLADIO, the ex-British ET.317. Various estimates place the distance at 500 ±80m from the outer edge of the station, or 750 ±80m from the stations geometric centre. The flash of intense gamma-radiation vaporized any aluminium-covering and structural steel elements with direct line of sight to the point of detonation. TNE-based alloys fared better, especially the neutronium-based alloys of the main truss-work which were later judged as basically undamaged. Most notably was a piece of manufacturing equipment tipped with a neutronium bit which was not only exposed to the full intensity of radiation but managed to survive reentry basically undamaged and still carried a viable edge, while the surrounding support-structure was nearly completely removed by the intense heat. Shock-damage buckled all remaining slipways structures and allowed the breakup into smaller pieces of wreckage. Other pieces of wreckage were accelerated by a combination of shock-damage and radiation-pressure to form a blast of debris which subsequently caused further damage to the station and other objects in orbit.
Damage report

Slipway B was completely destroyed, with the remaining wreckage removed by shipyard workers. The other slipways suffered from damages either from vaporization of surface elements, shock-damage transmitted through the structure, shrapnell-impact and the violent manoeuvres prior to detonation. The central core was damaged, with the rotation-mechanism of the living quarters jammed, several sections breached of destroyed by fire originating from impact, flash-ignition or electrical malfunction. But the integrity of the central cylinder remained uncompromised with sufficient life-support remaining to allow the crew to survive until proper evacuation could take place. The reactors were SCRAMed by the AZ-5 system manually initiated by the crew prior to detonation, resulting in a successful shutdown. Damage to the radiators prevented a restarting of the system, but sufficient cooling capacity remained to generate a small amount of electrical energy by harvesting decay heat. Only 48 fatalities were recorded, testament to the high degree of professionalism of the crew, which reacted quickly to the alarm. Over 2800 injuries ranging from decompression, flash-blindness, burns, shrapnell-punctures, concussions and broken bones were recorded, but lasting damages were thankfully rare. The remaining slipways resumed operational status in October 1983, although repairs continued until the release of this document.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

sheep-dodger posted:

The delegate for the Pan-European Libertarian Socialist caucus introduces the following measure:

The Lancing a FESTERing Boil Act

Whereas the COMINTERP is the uncontested leader in space exploration, settlement aand militarisation
Whereas the capitalist stay-behind organisations have largely spent their strength on the failed attacks of March 1st 1983 and the remaining capitalist nations have largely accepted the new global socialist framework
Whereas the rapid advancements in computing power as a result of the TNE revolution allow ever faster analysis and connection of data from multiple sources
Whereas the goal of socialism is the liberation of the human race from oppression and an end to class warfare
Whereas the implementation of socialist thought depends on flawed institutions and individuals
Whereas existing socialist states have already created secret police and surveillance agencies in the past
Whereas an institution granted a power will always find a way to justify the continued use of said power
Whereas the defeated capitalist class must not be replaced by a new bureaucratic class

Let it be resolved that the capabilities of the global surveillance network FESTER need to be pruned to avoid the creation of a new surveillance bureaucracy and the abuse of these surveillance capabilities by existing agencies.
To that end:
- the FESTER surveillance of the territory and citizens of full COMINTERP members will cease immediately upon the passage of this legislation
- the FESTER surveillance of the territory and citizens of COMINTERP-associated nations will cease five years after the passage of this legislation or the apprehension of the former US Joint Chiefs of Staff, whichever happens first

Recognising the valuable contributions of the FESTER-system during the GLADIO crisis the only exception to this ban shall be a 24-hour waiver, to be requested by the affected COMINTERP member organisation in moments of crisis comparable to the GLADIO crisis, with a maximum number of two renewals for a total of 72 hours.

Seconded

althought I might suggest to add a clause providing for the publishing of the data collected during the operations (properly sanitized, obviously), to allow for public review of FESTERs operations.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

paragon1 posted:

Something Awful, but it doesn't exist yet.

Offer amnesty, a million rubles, and transport to wherever they'd like for anyone willing to tell us whatever people are keeping tight lipped about.

Whatever government they've got going on down there doesn't have anything we want outside of information, and we don't need whoever is "officially" in charge to get it. They can sign up for the comintern or pound sand.

I beg to disagree. They managed to survive in one of the harshest environments known to man this side of the Kármán-line. They must have some serious experience when it comes to actually managing sealed habitats with little to no resupply from the outside. Allowing them to apply for the North American Forum, not join, would be advantageous for us. It is a cheap gesture of goodwill and devolve the actual decision wheatear they are allowed to join the NAF to this body.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Communication should occur in MOSA-conlang, but start by establishing the means of transferring pictures.

that is one of the reasons we actually started this idea. A simple, unambiguous and perfect regular language is our best candidate for communication.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Demiurge4 posted:

An example at our current technology levels would be something like this. But I am not very experienced with missile design.



Comrade demiurge, while I admire your initiative, I must profess serious concerns with your plan of adapting a Kh-22 missile airframe for use in space. While your concept of a miniaturized, sorium-enhanced power_plant based on pulsed criticality is very elegant and in fact highly reminiscent of the Chelomey D-series, the retention of the original fuel tank for storage of the propellant-moderator results in a range much larger range than is strictly useful. Comrade Tarasov commented that, based on experiences collected during the GRW, missiles were usually fired at less than 80% of theoretical maximum range, as targets come into sensor range. By using a much more powerful propulsion in a vacuum, the theoretical range of your design surpasses the range of the semi-active guidance system by a factor of 2.4. Needless to say, that this amount of fuel is excessive. Study of the damage done to Interkosmos-station further suggests the rather limited effect of nuclear weapons against even lightweight objects in space. I fear that the retention of the original 200kt Warhead might be insufficient when it comes to armoured targets. I would advice a clean-sheet design for your proposed missile, better matching the range to your proposed guidance-system. Furthermore I would advice to at least double the yield of your intended warhead, as it is expected to engage targets armoured in TNE-enhanced materials. Finally I like to understand your rationale for the inclusion of missile-warning equipment more capable than the equipment meant for your vessel tasked with missile defence.




*OOC*A size 2 warhead is considered ineffectual, as is simply strips two adjacent cells of armour. A warhead 4 missile would either destroy a second layer of armour or inflict internal damage. The range of your missiles is way to high, 2.5 m Km would be a good match for your fire-control. Finally, redesigning the bomber to fire two size 4.5 missiles and carrying a search-sensor intended for use against ships would result in a much more effective design.*/OOC*

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
I hereby propose the SAP extension act

The results of the SAP across the socialist sectors of earth is truly marvellous. But the contrast to the remainder of the capitalist block grows even starker with each passing day. While citizens of the Comintern live in healthy, spacious and cheap housing, the dwellings across the ideological divide are mostly pre-war, often damaged, almost uniformly poorly maintained. To subject our fellow human beings to such conditions, even by omission, is plainly unethical and a disgrace to the very principles of socialism. I hereby motion to expand the SAP, making pre-fab buildings as well as the associated materials, manuals and training for assembly available for sale in the Capitalist world. These materials will be made available at cost, without any further conditions attached. In special cases we will made these products available even below cost for humanitarian reasons, according to the principle: 'To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities.'

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Volmarias posted:

FTL could also require dedicated ships but otherwise transit regular space. If these are expensive, it probably wouldn't make sense to leave any just laying around, no matter who made them.

Interstellar logistics, at least according to our current models are ... interesting.

Dedicated FTL-carriers are a conceivable solution, when the drive itself is bulky.
Wormholes, either natural or artificial, are another solution we can't rule out yet.
Communications are a whole different beast. Carrier operations will require FTL-communications, whereas lightspeed-communications can possibly be squeezed through a wormhole.
The psychonaut-corps stubled on some tantalizing hints that FTL-communications might be possible. Maybe we should dedicate more ressources into this direction, the current state of our operations are less than satisfactory, when we have to accept lightspeed-lag in our communications.

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Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013

Veloxyll posted:

1) Is a tunnel not an option? but if the locals are amicable to it, I see no reason not to extend a bridge to them

The depth is only about 50 metres, so a tunnel is feasible, a bridge would still be easier to construct and has the added bonus of connecting the fist nations tribes to our infrastructure grid.

Neddless to say, from a purely economic standpoint, we support the Bering Strait Treaty.

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