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Three confirmed cases in our household, but probably four. Cousin's wife was taking the kids to karate lessons, I thought it was absolutely stupid, but it's not my place to say anything. Her daughter gets a fever, and both the mum and daughter get positive test results for covid. We then prep everyone to get swabbed, but the atmosphere is like we're about to go to a theme park rather than get covid swabbed. I quickly shower and get dressed, and then bail out of going to the clinic with the bulk of the family as they all wanna cram into one car. I opt to go with my dad. I wear a mask and sit in the backseat cause I'm terrified of giving him anything. So yeah, we get back from the clinic I walk upstairs and everyone's just chilling in the living room, the husband, wife, two kids and my auntie. I kinda got pissed off and said she needs to stay away from them and they need to go isolate in their part of the house. I get laughed at and they all pretend to cough. I'm just waiting for the results to come back at this point and spend the rest of the night locked in my room. Next morning at 11am, all our results come in. Pretty much just the wife, her two kids, and we can safely assume the husband (though he didn't get swabbed cause he didn't want to) are positive, the rest are negative. I leave my room to go tell my dad, and again, my auntie, cousin, his wife and two kids are chilling in the living room. I go and immediately kick my dad out of the house and tell him to stay with family, cause I know it'll all turn to poo poo here. I go back upstairs and I'm really worried that my aunt is gonna end up getting sick, and it's utterly insane that they were willing to risk it. I got really angry with my cousin and told him what the gently caress is he playing at, if I had a 0.1% chance of making my mum seriously ill, I'd be avoiding her like I had the literal plague. But they're all buying into that bullshit about how it's fake and not real and the doctors lied about the results. Even if that were the case, I'm still really shocked the son would even be willing to risk it. The wife has a highschool degree and I don't think she's taken a biology class since she was in her early teens, but she was casually sitting right next to my aunt on her bed and saying it's all a hoax and it's fine. So yeah, aunt tested negative but now it's pretty safe to say she's got something. She's not exactly a spring chicken either, but I'm really hoping no one has any severe symptoms. I've spent the past 2 days holed up in my bedroom, and every time I leave I just feel like I'm gonna catch something, even with wearing a mask. Kinda anxiety inducing, worrying about my dad and my aunt, worrying about catching it myself, not wanting to end up with scarred lung tissue cause of something as stupid as this. I'll be sitting at the PC and just hyperanalyzing everything, like if my nose is runny or if I have a headache I just think oh poo poo I've got it. Salt on the wound is the fact I did 4 weeks in isolation when I flew home for them all back in April (government mandated but I took it seriously), but I guess time has made it seem like less of a threat and no one gives a gently caress. Makes me wonder why I bothered. Anyone know what my chances of catching it are if I'm walking around a house where a majority of people have it? I'm social distancing and wearing my mask at all times whenever I leave my room. Have no idea if it makes a difference though when no one else wears a mask.
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Qubee posted:Three confirmed cases in our household, but probably four. Cousin's wife was taking the kids to karate lessons, I thought it was absolutely stupid, but it's not my place to say anything. Her daughter gets a fever, and both the mum and daughter get positive test results for covid. We then prep everyone to get swabbed, but the atmosphere is like we're about to go to a theme park rather than get covid swabbed. I quickly shower and get dressed, and then bail out of going to the clinic with the bulk of the family as they all wanna cram into one car. I opt to go with my dad. I wear a mask and sit in the backseat cause I'm terrified of giving him anything. Intra-household transfer is very common, good luck goon. Try and stay safe but don't get too stressed out - its not helpful and will distract you from taking care of yourself and the stupid fam to your maximum ability. FWIW my infection was completely asymptomatic, hopefully ya'll will have luck too.
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We're in the Middle East, weather is a lot less murderous than in the Summer but it's still a tad bit too warm to ventilate. I do keep my bedroom window open almost all day though. Does anyone know how soon a covid swab can detect you've got it? Because I was playing with my niece and nephew a few days before the whole covid positive thing. Would covid even show up on a swab within the course of 24 / 48 hours?
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You need to be shedding virus for them to collect and trigger a positive on the PCR test. My research indicated up to day 4-5 after infection, you are very likely to get a false negative. After day 5 or so, the amount of virus ramps up fast and the test should start being effective. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1495 quote:Over the 4 days of infection before the typical time of symptom onset (day 5), the probability of a false-negative result in an infected person decreases from 100% (95% CI, 100% to 100%) on day 1 to 67% (CI, 27% to 94%) on day 4. On the day of symptom onset, the median false-negative rate was 38% (CI, 18% to 65%). This decreased to 20% (CI, 12% to 30%) on day 8 (3 days after symptom onset) then began to increase again, from 21% (CI, 13% to 31%) on day 9 to 66% (CI, 54% to 77%) on day 21. It's definitely possible to test too soon after exposure which guarantees testing 'positively to the negative'. I assume this has a strong effect on your (common) situation where one person gets infected outside of the house and takes it home. The other household members aren't going to test positive until something like 9-12 days after the initial exposure.
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Qubee, that really sucks. A ton of people are being gaslit by their families in this way right now, while being made helpless to mitigate casualties. If it's any assurance, know that COVID has been found to spread really unevenly; not everyone turns into a superspreader, and even then not at all times. That's why there are some events where a hundred people catch it from someone according to contact tracing, yet many households where family members or housemates are spared. If you continue to minimize your viral load by avoiding contact, you will hopefully luck out.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:
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loving hell. I'm not proud to admit it, but at the start of the Covid pandemic I was genuinely of the view that it was just another SARS thingy and people were blowing it out of proportion. And I actually thought I could take it. That's still an open question, but I'm not so sure, and not willing to try anymore. This poo poo seems nasty. I have all sorts of questions about it, like its viability on surfaces. Does it have some sort of oxidation and UV resistance? Hijacks the host's DNA repair system to repair itself or some poo poo? Obviously I know just enough about microbiology to be stupid. Also, I like working on vaccines for it (at the extreme edge of the development cycle). I try to be super energetic and proactive in my own way, like making really nice boxes to put frozen blood serum samples into. Hey, having aesthetically pleasing labels on blood serum boxes is good for morale!
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There is a whole thread about the virus and the pandemic themselves where there was just a discussion about surface (fomite) transmission - you might find some useful answers in the noise there. There's also quite a few goons in the medical field who frequent the thread and IIRC a few in pharma.
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Qubee posted:Three confirmed cases in our household, but probably four. Cousin's wife was taking the kids to karate lessons, I thought it was absolutely stupid, but it's not my place to say anything. Her daughter gets a fever, and both the mum and daughter get positive test results for covid. We then prep everyone to get swabbed, but the atmosphere is like we're about to go to a theme park rather than get covid swabbed. I quickly shower and get dressed, and then bail out of going to the clinic with the bulk of the family as they all wanna cram into one car. I opt to go with my dad. I wear a mask and sit in the backseat cause I'm terrified of giving him anything. Make sure your hygene is immaculate, especially washing your hands before and after you eat or touch your mouth and face. In our local quarantine facilities where distancing is strictly enforced, two community spread events were traced back to a lift button and a rubbish bin. In a house without regular sanitizing, the big culprits will be door handles and communual buttons. Best of luck to you, that's a really poo poo position to be in and I would consider moving to a motel for a time if that were possible.
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Qubee posted:We're in the Middle East, weather is a lot less murderous than in the Summer but it's still a tad bit too warm to ventilate. I do keep my bedroom window open almost all day though. Does anyone know how soon a covid swab can detect you've got it? Because I was playing with my niece and nephew a few days before the whole covid positive thing. Would covid even show up on a swab within the course of 24 / 48 hours? Good on you for trying to keep your family safe, especially older ones. I lost my grandma to it when she was 1500 miles away and it loving sucks.
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Qubee posted:Aye, I appreciate the honesty. All I can do is not be stupid but I figured chances of me getting it are high. Fingers crossed it's pretty mediocre for us all. Got the 14 day mark on my calendar, can't come soon enough lol Your chances of catching it are probably quite high, but by being careful you can hopefully reduce the viral load you'll be exposed to and potentially develop a milder case. Mask, ventilating as much as possible and perfect hand hygiene
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Family is chomping at the bit over this isolation stuff, they keep saying they feel fine and it's only a matter of time before they decide to go back to mingling with each other. The children showed symptoms on the 2nd of November and I'd say they were the first ones in getting it. I keep trying to tell everyone it can take time for symptoms to show up and it's really not a good idea to go back to chilling like normal. But it's an uphill battle. My biggest worry is my aunt cause she's in her 50's, but her own son doesn't seem to care much about it. So I've just told myself I tried my best, and hopefully we all pull through this asymptomatically, but with 8 of us I doubt we'd be that lucky. I just don't want it being on my conscience if things go south and I could have argued better instead of letting them buy into the "covid isn't real" ideology.
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Just got my positive test result... gently caress Started coughing Wednesday night, had a fever with some coughing Thursday and Friday, and today just felt kind of crummy but not much coughing or fever. Is that a good sign or too early to tell?
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Rorobb posted:Just got my positive test result... gently caress I’d say too early. I became infected on March 5th, and got ill exactly 5 days later. I was in bed for about 9 days with exhaustion, joint pain, and a temperature that I couldn’t shift below 101F (it went as high as 102.4F for a couple of days). By the time that had all gone away, I realised I had no sense of taste or smell: this persisted for about 5 weeks. A large part of my job involves tasting and smelling, and this was the equivalent of being blind or deaf to me. It’s utterly different from the sensory dullness of a head cold. I had no pleural or respiratory involvement at all. 49 year old overweight white male. (although it motivated me to lose 45lbs, so I’m currently a little overweight, rather than fat).
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I got exposed by no one else than my therapist. I spent an hour in her office this Monday and she had her first symptoms a day later, so there's very little chance I'm not infected. No symptoms appeared for me yet. I felt a bit weak on Thursday and Friday morning, but that was so brief I''m not sure if I hadn't imagined it (I have anxiety with hypochondria). No fever, no cough, my smell is perfectly normal. Are there some early warnings of the coming infection, or does the disease start with fever and coughing?
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Well I coughed once on Wednesday and thought “oh poo poo”. Started getting a fever that night too
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To the other positives - did you follow cdc guidelines on when to stop isolating? My symptoms have been improving little by little and I haven’t had a fever in a few days. Saturday will be day 10 and according to the guidelines (and the health dept person I talked to today that finally got around to contact tracing me) I’m basically good to go into the world. They also told me to not bother retesting because I could be positive but it wouldn’t mean I’m contagious. Seems kind of weird to “already” be going back into the world in two days but 
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Rorobb posted:To the other positives - did you follow cdc guidelines on when to stop isolating? My symptoms have been improving little by little and I haven’t had a fever in a few days. Saturday will be day 10 and according to the guidelines (and the health dept person I talked to today that finally got around to contact tracing me) I’m basically good to go into the world. They also told me to not bother retesting because I could be positive but it wouldn’t mean I’m contagious. Seems kind of weird to “already” be going back into the world in two days but Felt the same, but yeah went back to normal life following the guidelines here (also 10 days after symptoms). Felt weird, but if I stayed home that was out of pocket and also I trust the guidelines. They took it down to 10 days from 14 and I doubt they did that just for fun/save cost. People were definitely hesitant to come close to me and I tried to keep more than 2 meters of distance from other people whenever I could. Kids went back to school and saw their grandparents for the first time in a very long time like 12 days after symptoms and no one caught it so I'm guessing they are right with the 10 days isolation
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FreelanceSocialist posted:I've dodged it so far but I have lost two relatives to it (or to complications from it). Several other family members and friends have been sick with it. I figured I'd post their experiences here. This is all from either talking to them directly (in one case via zoom from their hospital room) or from talking with thier immediate family members who were there with them when they had it. I was going to post this earlier but I was trying to get the details of the two deaths clear before sharing - social media is great at casting a wide net but really bad at getting anything in-depth.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Thanks for posting these, they are totally nuts to read. Can I ask what state you're in? I'm in New Hampshire. The stories I posted come from NH, PA, NC, and SC. We've had more friends (NH/ME) and family (PA/NY/the Carolinas) get sick since. It's tough to keep track of what's going on. A family member of a friend passed away a week ago and I just saw on Facebook that someone I knew from college has died and her 6-year-old is now flying across the country to meet up with her grandparents who will raise her I guess. It's like every single day someone is quarantining or posting from the ER or attending a zoom funeral. I know my view is skewed by the fact that my wife and I have large families and large online social circles but I stopped checking social media at this point because it's becoming overwhelming. My wife gives me a daily summary of who got sick and who tested positive and who is making poor life choices regarding Thanksgiving (hint: the majority of my family).
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Update: we all managed to get through it with minimal symptoms. Kids had slight fever and diarrhea. A few of us got a dry cough, I've got a bit of a wheezy feeling in my chest. No one was really sick from it. It's a blessing and a curse because now it just further drives home the conspiracy theories that it's "not that big a deal". So if family members aren't as cautious out and about, the 2nd time we get it might be a lot worse. I can definitely say my auntie has developed a heavy cough that she never used to have. But she invited family from another household over two days ago so I don't think the penny has dropped yet. So you all in a few months when we go round 2.
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Qubee posted:Update: we all managed to get through it with minimal symptoms. Kids had slight fever and diarrhea. A few of us got a dry cough, I've got a bit of a wheezy feeling in my chest. No one was really sick from it. It's a blessing and a curse because now it just further drives home the conspiracy theories that it's "not that big a deal". So if family members aren't as cautious out and about, the 2nd time we get it might be a lot worse. I can definitely say my auntie has developed a heavy cough that she never used to have. But she invited family from another household over two days ago so I don't think the penny has dropped yet. So you all in a few months when we go round 2. Glad you’re doing better!
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Blaziken386 posted:question for people who weren't asymptomatic: what was the first symptom you noticed having that made you go "oh poo poo i should probably get tested, huh" A few days of light coughing and intermittent fevers. Started noticing symptoms June 16h, tested on 18th, confirmed 19th. On the 20th - 25th when my symptoms were the worst. Insomnia (until I took melatonin starting on the 21st), fever dreams, but no hallucination. Fevers during those 5 days were really really bad. Sleeping on an air mattress to isolate in household (my wife got it anyway, we were still told to isolate) ended up working out very well, cause I would wake up drenched several times a night, and drying off an air mattress is really easy. Lost my sense of smell but not taste, diarrhea, headaches, confusion (very hard to focus on things, would take me a long time to comprehend things), body aches, trouble breathing. I got it pretty bad, but not go to the hospital bad. I got an oximeter to monitor oxygen levels but not sure how useful that actually was. Took tylenol and guaifenesin (mucinex), that was pretty much it. I would keep a gallon jug of water nearby and a bowl of nuts and dried fruit. Getting/preparing food was too much effort frequently, so it was nice to have something very handy to hydrate and and a quick snack. I ate rice one day and got really bad congestion afterword (or maybe inflammation), so I avoided inflammatory foods after that and felt better. The fatigue/confusion and difficulty breathing stuck around another 2 weeks or so after that, getting gradually better over that time. I think that's most things, I very much do not recommend this guys!! Edit: My wife had mostly similar symptoms, except loss of taste instead of smell. Less bad fevers, but mostly same symptoms to various degrees. One long term symptom she's seeing is higher than average hair loss, which doctors/scientists still aren't 100% certain is directly related to covid, or the stress resulting from it. I also live in AZ which has lots of people not taking it seriously, so that's super neato. Hope I don't get it again cause I know that's still in the air! rawk cawk fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 29, 2020 |
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Has anyone here who has caught COVID-19 also have celiac? I've read that cytokine storm from COVID-19 is not too dissimilar to the cytokine storm that happens when a celiac patient eats gluten. Now, I know a random Health article isn't definitive of anything, but there's been a few articles that have come out on COVID-19 and cytokine storm I don't fully understand, so I thought to ask for some anecdotes. I recognize that a sample size this small would tell me nothing. This is only to satisfy my curiosity. I wasn't diagnosed with celiac until I was 26, but I've had symptoms for two decades (meaning that I was sick with celiac the entire time, I had the wrong diagnosis). When people describe some of the side-effects of celiac to me, it reminds me of the symptoms I had before I stopped eating gluten. It took about two years for my body to recover. I was wondering if anyone else had celiac, and if so, if your experience in celiac in any way reminded you of your celiac flareups.
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One of my friend (35 y/o female, overweight but not obese) who got Covid just got diagnosed with Guillain–Barré syndrome caused by covid. Her immune system decided to gently caress up her neurological system for some reason. So yeah, guess I'm happy no one in my family got it that bad.
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IronClaymore posted:loving hell. I'm not proud to admit it, but at the start of the Covid pandemic I was genuinely of the view that it was just another SARS thingy and people were blowing it out of proportion. FWIW, at the beginning of March (Like 12-17 or so), I didn't wear a mask when I went out because I thought it was no big deal. Then things started closing down and now I haven't been outside in months.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, I mean, if you feel exactly the same about COVID now as in March, when we didn't know very much about it at all, then either you're prophetic or stupid. If you change your opinion due to new information and changing circumstances, then you are a sensible person reacting in a sane way to uncertainty and incomplete information. I thought it was just like H1N1 or SARS where it would suck for some but life would mostly go on as normal. TBF, I should have been more worried. I live in an assisted living type place that typically houses people under 55 (so not like a senior's home but more like a series of apartments with care-aids. The tenants living there are all mentally capable.) I remember on March 12, me and some other people were visiting a friend who had recently transferred to a more complex care home due to his worsening MS. Nobody wore masks as it wasn't mandatory yet. I remember having to get scanned by a forehead thermometer which I found extremely weird at the time and sanitize the gently caress up. Other than that, it was all pretty normal. I thought my place wouldn't get hit as bad due to our unusual living situation. I wish I could have that optimism again. Then things started to go downhill. My dad told me to go to the grocery store to buy snacks and whatever I needed for a few weeks (We get lunch and dinner service as part of our care.) I stocked up on food figuring this whole quarantine/lockdown business wouldn't be that long (big LOL) It's now almost December and I haven't felt truly free since March. There was one instance of a Covid scare at my place just recently. A casual worker tested positive for Covid, but everyone else is fine. We're hopefully getting the greenlight to be let out of our suites tomorrow. IDK what I'm gonna do about Christmas. I almost don't want to celebrate it this year. What if my place gets lockdowned again?
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For those that have lost taste/smell how would you rate it? Is the taste like..muted or just completely gone? Does stuff taste like cardboard? Does the loss of smell come with any other sinus type feeling or pressure? Was it a gradual build up or just bam, suddenly the next meal you could notice it?
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banned from Starbucks posted:For those that have lost taste/smell how would you rate it? Is the taste like..muted or just completely gone? Does stuff taste like cardboard? Does the loss of smell come with any other sinus type feeling or pressure? Was it a gradual build up or just bam, suddenly the next meal you could notice it? For me it was just blammo, nothing. I’ve been a cook for most of my adult life so that might colour things for me, but it was one of the scariest bits for me. Everything was gross water-flavoured chunks and “thick water” flavored liquids, even though I knew I needed to be dumping calories into my body. Under normal circumstances I’d have taken any excuse to gorge, so having no appetite felt extremely foreign. My senses have come back thankfully. I didn’t feel a whole lot in my nose or sinuses ever, though. It was a cough and a lot of unpleasantries in my chest. I don’t think covid hits the sinuses hard, but I’m no expert. Specifically a dry cough I should add- you can feel the difference between the rona cough and the “swallowed my drink the wrong way” cough
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My cousin lost his sense of taste and smell and said the same thing. He woke up one morning and had a cigarette, and thought he was smoking a dud. So he opened a brand new pack up and still tasted nothing. It didn't dawn on him that he'd lost it until he had coffee and explained that it was like drinking water. Food was also like eating flavourless gum.
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