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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

if you only played western aaa games your only previous exposure to lesbianism was like... the lady in me2 who has two lines of dialog and the catgirl in kotor1.

these people were not playing 1998 yuri visual novels

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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Why does it always seem to be like this with indie games

I mean it seems to be a problem with a lot of main stream studios too.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

annapurna had like three different games where the lead was a shithead/creep, and in all three cases they sided with the lead

but i wouldn't say that it's THAT frequent in indie games either because many indie games are just by like, 5 people or fewer, or just 1 dude working out of their garage. it mainly seems to happen with actual indie studios, because, yeah. if a team is large enough to have dozens of employees and a physical location, then abuse is more likely to happen. the CEO of Moon Studios (Ori & the Blind Forest) for example has allegations of abuse against them (and also frequented ResetEra up until a thread about his behavior was made)

that's why there's no value in attaching 'morality' to the concept of indie games any more than ascribing morality to youtubers as a contrast to TV/Film. that's not why they're better than AAA games

they're better for many other reasons but not praxis

The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 28, 2024

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I had this stream on in the background and sometimes I forget how good Pat is at breaking down an argument at times. Like he's a neurotic little guy but he sure has come a long way from how he used to be. He was streaming FF7R and for some reason an AI bro came into the chat and donated to start an argument, and then Pat spent 20 minutes dismantling the entire notion of an "AI creative". I'm sure he's not necessarily breaking new ground here but I do appreciate the bluntness and starkness with his response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtCQe4KNXXA&hd=1&t=19928s

sometimes people need to be reminded that he's actually highly-educated and not just a screaming goblin man who eats pies on the floor

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Endorph posted:

if you only played western aaa games your only previous exposure to lesbianism was like... the lady in me2 who has two lines of dialog and the catgirl in kotor1.

these people were not playing 1998 yuri visual novels
Every claimed video "first" has to have a little asterix that says indie rpgmaker games and visual novels don't count.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Captain Invictus posted:

I had this stream on in the background and sometimes I forget how good Pat is at breaking down an argument at times. Like he's a neurotic little guy but he sure has come a long way from how he used to be. He was streaming FF7R and for some reason an AI bro came into the chat and donated to start an argument, and then Pat spent 20 minutes dismantling the entire notion of an "AI creative". I'm sure he's not necessarily breaking new ground here but I do appreciate the bluntness and starkness with his response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtCQe4KNXXA&hd=1&t=19928s

sometimes people need to be reminded that he's actually highly-educated and not just a screaming goblin man who eats pies on the floor

Good stuff :hmmyes:


Related, here's a writing channel doing a serious 50+ minute review of several published collections of AI poetry. Spoiler: the poems are bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6xor2SLNU

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Terrible Opinions posted:

Every claimed video "first" has to have a little asterix that says indie rpgmaker games and visual novels don't count.

Every first in everything ever is essentially uninteresting, sometimes the people who do things first go on to do other great stuff but poo poo I care far more about who did it best.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
heartbeat, the TERF Pokémon game

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Oxxidation posted:

heartbeat, the TERF Pokémon game

isn't that like the second game taken down by a dev's partner being a massive transphobe?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Captain Invictus posted:

I had this stream on in the background and sometimes I forget how good Pat is at breaking down an argument at times. Like he's a neurotic little guy but he sure has come a long way from how he used to be. He was streaming FF7R and for some reason an AI bro came into the chat and donated to start an argument, and then Pat spent 20 minutes dismantling the entire notion of an "AI creative". I'm sure he's not necessarily breaking new ground here but I do appreciate the bluntness and starkness with his response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtCQe4KNXXA&hd=1&t=19928s

sometimes people need to be reminded that he's actually highly-educated and not just a screaming goblin man who eats pies on the floor

Reminds me of when Woolie brought up the idea that changing a game for a different market - and this might have been over something really stupid, like the vagina bones - was censorship and Pat just flatly shut him down every time Woolie tried a "but don't you think-' or "but maybe-." He was just not having it. Pat understands what censorship is and what it isn't.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ehhh it depends what caused the change. like i think chinese or saudi releases of games removing gay stuff being censorship is pretty uncontroversial

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012

Dawgstar posted:

Reminds me of when Woolie brought up the idea that changing a game for a different market - and this might have been over something really stupid, like the vagina bones - was censorship and Pat just flatly shut him down every time Woolie tried a "but don't you think-' or "but maybe-." He was just not having it. Pat understands what censorship is and what it isn't.

This seems like an insane generalization

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yea convos about this stuff are very stupid because half the time its like 'can you believe people care they covered up the boobs in this game, censorship isnt real chuds' and then you spend 5 minutes comparing the scripts and they also removed every instance of gay subtext

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Dawgstar posted:

Reminds me of when Woolie brought up the idea that changing a game for a different market - and this might have been over something really stupid, like the vagina bones - was censorship and Pat just flatly shut him down every time Woolie tried a "but don't you think-' or "but maybe-." He was just not having it. Pat understands what censorship is and what it isn't.

I mean it is censorship because the material was removed because it was seen as inappropriate. That doesn't automatically make it bad and might in fact be a good decision, but its still censorship.

Dangerous Person
Apr 4, 2011

Not dead yet
Way late but it's insane that Quinton hates when people use his videos for background noise because the only time I ever see anybody talk positively about his channel is about how his videos are great to put on in the background

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007

Dangerous Person posted:

Way late but it's insane that Quinton hates when people use his videos for background noise because the only time I ever see anybody talk positively about his channel is about how his videos are great to put on in the background

a rare sane Quinton take, if you learn that the main reason people love something you make is so they can use it to tune out or fall asleep the only reasonable reaction is one of disgust and disappointment unless you are making a meditation soundtrack or the like

of course one can wonder why he decided to make these videos in the first place if he is well-adjusted enough to realize this, I know by the end the answer was probably 'big views = money + status(lol) = feelgood' but I have no explanation for the first one. of course that is their only use, Quinton, what else could you do with them?

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Saagonsa posted:

This seems like an insane generalization
yeah I feel like I remember that conversation but if Dawgstar or someone could link to it specifically that'd be helpful. I don't remember it being quite the way they said it did, though Woolie does tend to like to play devil's advocate, he was the most likely to do so outside of Liam of the original group.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Insurrectionist posted:

a rare sane Quinton take, if you learn that the main reason people love something you make is so they can use it to tune out or fall asleep the only reasonable reaction is one of disgust and disappointment unless you are making a meditation soundtrack or the like

of course one can wonder why he decided to make these videos in the first place if he is well-adjusted enough to realize this, I know by the end the answer was probably 'big views = money + status(lol) = feelgood' but I have no explanation for the first one. of course that is their only use, Quinton, what else could you do with them?

The really pathetic answer is that maybe he doesn't even realize how shallow his videos are. He thinks media analysis is just noticing patterns without putting any thought to why those patterns are there in the first place.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Quinton somehow producing 40 hours over 3 years into a mere 7 videos is akin to Spinal Tap going through 37 members.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocr2zj3KsP0

whats up goth vampire hunter nation

The D in Detroit
Oct 13, 2012
Didn't Quinton say something about being deathly afraid of losing views? I feel like he just tried to make a system to produce the perfect content that would never fail and now he's seeing it fail in ways he didn't expect.

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



More building P.T. live in Dreams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l10Jtd3Gsw

Don't mean to spam the thread with these but I think it's pretty cool and they don't get a lot of viewers.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

having used the creating tools in dreams for the first time last night, it makes me more wildly impressed with the actual creators on there. creating things with the dualsense is a loving nightmare because of all the motion sensing being not 100% accurate, my imp kept eventually sliding away and had to keep having its position reset. then the camera movement is really awkward, like you have to hold L1 to move up and down, and R1 to spin/zoom on a point.

making things worse is my dualsense has some sort of trigger drift where it would just activate R2 repeatedly and i'd have to slam it to get it to stop, then undo all the havoc that caused. my controller obviously is kinda busted but also i loving hate the dualsense controller lol

the trigger haptics were neat but it's the worst Big 3 controller since the N64

CullenDaGaDee
Aug 20, 2023

I got the will to drive myself sleepless
I mostly view Quinton Reviews as a more modern and successful Linkara these days. Like if the latter focused on History of Power Rangers exclusively.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

CullenDaGaDee posted:

I mostly view Quinton Reviews as a more modern and successful Linkara

This sounds hideous.

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

Terrible Opinions posted:

Every claimed video "first" has to have a little asterix that says indie rpgmaker games and visual novels don't count.

lmao

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

CullenDaGaDee posted:

I mostly view Quinton Reviews as a more modern and successful Linkara these days. Like if the latter focused on History of Power Rangers exclusively.

One of the Quintonisms I remember from back when he was still making decent-to-good content was that a fan drew him a picture of Garfield as Mecha-Kara called “Mecha Garfa” and that it was “now one of my most prized possessions”. I think the Linkara comparison is pretty on the money

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Terrible Opinions posted:

Every claimed video "first" has to have a little asterix that says indie rpgmaker games and visual novels don't count.

I think the earliest one we've got in English is Caper in the Castro (1989), but I feel like there are definite odds of a lost microcomputer title beating that slightly.

We thought we'd lost this one until a few years ago, who the hell knows anymore

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

CullenDaGaDee posted:

I mostly view Quinton Reviews as a more modern and successful Linkara these days. Like if the latter focused on History of Power Rangers exclusively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuzZIirRus

CullenDaGaDee
Aug 20, 2023

I got the will to drive myself sleepless
I’m sorry but nothing can compare to the original rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPEOkyq04Ko

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
lol forgot that linkara sounds like a stereotypical nerd

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

CullenDaGaDee posted:

I’m sorry but nothing can compare to the original rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPEOkyq04Ko

you can't put art on a deadline

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

claw game handjob posted:

I think the earliest one we've got in English is Caper in the Castro (1989), but I feel like there are definite odds of a lost microcomputer title beating that slightly.

We thought we'd lost this one until a few years ago, who the hell knows anymore
i think there's some jp pc-98 games with lesbian content but most of those early ones are basically just image galleries with a thin veneer of plot (and also mostly porn)

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

MILITARY ACADEMY OF U.N. SPACE FORCE is a special women-only academy where students are trained to control mecha. The reader can have a look at academy's facilities, participate in the everyday life of the students and have own simulation and perchance even real mecha battles.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Isn't that just Gunbuster?

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5jkQsHuaWA

i've never heard of her but this was a pretty good listen. lol esp at jim caviezel doing film promo by sobbing while saying, "i was jesus............but there are so many judases right now"

Dangerous Person
Apr 4, 2011

Not dead yet
The Qanon Anonymous episode on Sound of Freedom is good, particularly the part where the director pretty much says they went with Jim Caviezel because they couldn't get the guys they actually wanted

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

trilobite terror posted:

One of the Quintonisms I remember from back when he was still making decent-to-good content was that a fan drew him a picture of Garfield as Mecha-Kara called “Mecha Garfa” and that it was “now one of my most prized possessions”. I think the Linkara comparison is pretty on the money
quinton once did a parody of nostalgia critic movies that very specifically included a riff on the "Linkara run", the run that Linkara will block you if you post at him

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Linkara has been the continual target of Kiwifarms-type freaks for over a decade so I think it's reasonable for him to block people who log on just to insult him.

It's interesting how this thread culture can talk about different public figures. There's a sort of "dignity uncanny valley" where if you're not respectable enough but also not cringe to the point of, like, near-criminality, it's like all the gloves are off.

I don't think it's good to make fun of people's voices, for example.

DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Mar 29, 2024

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16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

DoctorWhat posted:

Linkara has been the continual target of Kiwifarms-type freaks for over a decade so I think it's reasonable for him to block people who log on just to insult him.

It's interesting how this thread culture can talk about different public figures. There's a sort of "dignity uncanny valley" where if you're not respectable enough but also not cringe to the point of, like, near-criminality, it's like all the gloves are off.

I don't think it's good to make fun of people's voices, for example.

i'm going to make fun of linkara for making an overly dramatic video about the power rangers OP

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