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Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

A few bad movie reviewing channels I follow (as in they review bad movies, not that they're bad at doing it):

Ralph the Movie Maker: Focuses on detailed, technical analysis. Can be a bit dry in his delivery but his analytical skills are top-notch.

Your Movie Sucks: Has a wide variety of content including long-form demolitions of specific movies, shorter looks at recent releases (including ones he likes) and even highlights of gaming streams and other random stuff. Very funny no matter what he's doing.

Filmento: Usually likes to focus on one aspect of a movie to explain why it worked or didn't work A mix of reviews of both good and bad films.

And one non-movie channel:

Internet Historian: It's debatable whether you'd call him a reviewer per se, but he does talk about stuff in a... review-ish manner. Mainly he does videos on viral internet phenomena and weird news. The main reason to watch him, though, is because he's extremely funny, using editing and animation to make nearly anything hilarious. Although he'll calm things down and get serious when he has to, such as in the Balloon Boy video.

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Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

I've never found him even remotely funny and I disagree with his media criticisms more often than not, but his charity work is cool.

Also thanks to whoever it was who linked Jarvis Johnson in this thread. I've been binging through his reactions to those awful animated story videos and other content-farm garbage and it's a wild ride.

And something else I've been binging through lately are Pointless Peasant's DS3 invasion videos. I don't normally watch a lot of LPs or gaming streams but the computer voice he uses to narrate makes just about anything it says sound amusing.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Nuns with Guns posted:

Ah yeah, see I'd think Hunchback would be the worst likely possibility, if only because Disney is going to either have people tossing around a real racial slur constantly again or have to awkwardly write around it.

They’ll remake Hunchback but instead of being ugly he’ll turn out to just be really shy and insecure, like what happened in one of those knockoff cartoons Phelous reviewed. Can’t miss an opportunity to cast an attractive actor in your lead role, after all.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Ashens Halloween Special 2020. In which Ashens uses a pound shop cardboard ouija board to, appropriately enough, conjure the spirit of lovely unfun products designed to waste your money.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

RareAcumen posted:

Was he the guy who kept causing massive derails in the last thread? I faintly remember there being someone different doing that but I can't remember who it was. I don't think it was the guy doing crimes IRL that warranted getting perma'd.

He was the guy with the Mario avatar whose gimmick was that he worships the ground Moviebob walks on and would not tolerate seeing his idol slighted in any way. The other one you’re thinking of is probably Bravest of the Lamps, who was just a massive contrarian rear end in a top hat until it turned out he’d been e-stalking someone, following them to different forums to harass them.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Mr Phillby posted:

Is it weird that I find Dr Who and its spin offs absolutely facinating and will lap up any online content criticising or extoling the virtues or episodes/seasons/showrunners but every time I try to watch it myself it bores me to death? Like I can't get past how inconsistent and rubbish the show is to even care one way or the other?

I feel the same way, and for me it comes down to how sloppily it’s written most of the time. Hamfisted social commentary, thinly-sketched guest characters, plots that make no sense, out-of-place camp humor… it’s like they keep trying to find new ways to gently caress up, but that variety also makes it interesting to dissect.

But sometimes, just sometimes they get everything right and the result is brilliant. Generally the show is at its best when it’s doing horror and suspense, so long as it can resist the urge to spoil the moment with a dumb joke. Horror also lends itself to being made cheaply, which is a better fit for its limited BBC budget than the epic adventure it so often attempts.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

The cast of the original Charmed all hated each other, didn't they? Lol that show was a mess.

Supernatural has had its ups and downs, but it's been pretty good over the past few seasons. There was a time when it was relying far too much on Crowley to the point where everyone got sick of him, but then they killed him off for good and it started climbing its way out of the hole it had gotten into.

My pet theory (basically just a guess) is that they're planning on going full Gnosticism for the finale and revealing that Chuck was just a fake God all along. Otherwise it's hard to imagine what kind of power could undo the crazy poo poo that's happened over the course of this season.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Archer666 posted:

Anyway speaking of breadtube, here's an economist talking about one of Philosophy Tube's older videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vfx1kQlmOk

My main objection to this is when he said his video wouldn't be as fun as PT's. No way; his understated humor and occasional Simpsons clips are way more entertaining that PT's inane shtick.

Otherwise, good video.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Benne posted:

Are there any self-proclaimed "male feminists" who didn't turn out to be giant creeps

If they weren’t creeps, they wouldn’t specify the male part. They’d just say they were feminists.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Poparena returns to his roots by taking a look at the new Animorphs graphic novel. The conclusion? It has some great art and is a faithful adaptation of the original work, but it can at times shackle itself too firmly to the original, failing to account for the differences in the medium.

Personally I hope the movie or the sequel series or whatever they're planning ends up going through. It's a great franchise that deserves more attention. The Golden Compass show proves that there's a market for 90s children's book adaptations, and that you can do cgi animals nowadays that don't look like poo poo, so the ingredients are there to make it a success.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Nuns with Guns posted:

When I was a dumb teenager I was watching some video about one of those American ghost hunting shows where they went to like, Poland or some place like that, and were trying to yell for the ghost in English and listen to EVPs and some comment was wondering why they'd bother doing that poo poo when a medieval Polish ghost wouldn't know what the gently caress they were talking about and that's stuck with me ever since.

I once saw an American “psychic” huckster do his routine on a British talk show (that I’m fairly sure invited him on just to troll him) and he started going on about how he could sense a whole tribe of Native American ghosts standing right there in the studio with them... in London.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

A lot of kids’ media turns out to have had political themes in it if you go back and watch it as an adult. It’s just that you don’t notice that stuff when you’re young, so it gets excluded from the nostalgic, idealized image you build up in your head. Just like how a lot of classic cartoons from the 80s had shockingly cheap animation and lazy voice acting by modern standards, but fans remember them being far better than they were. Actual kids watching the new Animaniacs aren’t going to give a poo poo about any supposed political agenda because they’re too busy having fun watching the silly characters do silly things.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Alaois posted:

i have never laughed at a single one of that guy's comics, which seems like a problem when i'm pretty sure they're supposed to be funny

I was almost too distracted by how terrible that comic’s art was to even notice it was trying to tell a joke.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Max Wilco posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Toxic Crusader.


I think there's an issue with the opposite, where you can't really brand a movie with 'MS for Mature Storytelling' or 'JS for Juvenile Storytelling', because that sort of thing is subjective.

I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but I (to an extent) do like 'edgy' stuff. We were talking about The Boys a while back, and someone said that the comic (which I read through a little while before that) was overly-edgy and mean-spirited at times. I don't really disagree with that, but at the same time, I still enjoyed it, because it was (probably moreso now than when it was originally written) refreshing in a world where superhero media permeates everything. I'm not holding up edgy media as high art, but there is some catharsis to be found in it, if that's what you're looking for.

I think I see what you mean. I really love a well-made Youtube Poop, and those things for the most part involves just adding ridiculous edgy jokes to kids cartoons. But there’s a craft to doing it well and the good ones end up being funny because of their sheer absurdity.

Max Wilco posted:

On the other side of the coin, something that does bother me about a lot of media (outside of superheroes), is that a lot of media does seem dour, or cynical, or mean-spirited, and so on. This is probably going to be considered something of a boomer-esque take, but having watched a share of retro television in the last year or so, there's nothing that has that kind of light-hearted, wholesome, corny/cheesy sort of quality. Like, I watch a mystery show like Diagnosis Murder, or a comedy like M*A*S*H, or even something like the classic Star Trek, and I can't really point to something nowadays that has that same format or general tone. It's the same sort of thing with movies, too.

I'm not saying that media today is bad because of that, and I get that some of it is a result of cultural changes. It's not a rose-tinted glasses sort of thing, because the majority of that stuff came out way before I was born. It's just I watch some of that stuff, and I think, "I can't think of anything nowadays that is like this." It's some sort of intangible quality that I can't really put my finger on.

This is something I’ve noticed as well. It’s gotten to the point where when a show uses that more lighthearted tone (like The Librarians series from a few years ago) it kinda feels like it’s come out of a time capsule.

As far as the TV side of things goes, some of the blame likely lies with the move towards serialization that began with shows like Lost and Battlestar Galactica. More involved, season-long storylines results in more complexity, which nudges the tone in a darker direction compared to when you could expect most problems to be resolved by the end of each episode.

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Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

nine-gear crow posted:

Which sucks, because The Flash started out as “The Fun Show” to Arrow’s dour grimdarkness and slowly lost itself in misery porn as well.

While ironically Legends followed the opposite path, starting out with lots of drama involving unlikable characters before livening up in season two.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

RareAcumen posted:

I've got a personal conspiracy theory that most people making these games don't even want to make games about zombies. They just need anarchy and the world falling to poo poo and the zombies are an excuse to get there and start getting into the real story of how humanity sucks and will sooner wipe itself out with infighting than work together.

I see it as a variant on the anime and manga trope of Earth being invaded by a swarm of mindless bug-like aliens (e.g. this season’s Senyoku no Sigrdrifa). In either case, the writer wants to have a lot of exciting combat in their show/game but they’re worried the main characters will come across as stone-cold killers right from the start, so they have a type of mook enemy for them to fight that can be slaughtered without any possible moral complexities.

It’s not automatically a bad idea, but from a storytelling perspective it’s an unsatisfying conflict, which is why most of these stories end up putting the focus on either human, or more human-like antagonists in the end.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

I've never been able to stand these kinds of prank shows. Mockumentaries with actors are one thing, but anything involving real people who aren't in on the joke makes me cringe way too much to laugh.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007


These videos are great. DaThings is a part of the real old guard of the YTP scene and possibly the only one still regularly making content, and that decade’s worth of experience definitely shows.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

ButterSkeleton posted:

I'm totally gunna come off as an rear end on this, but looking into the replies, I'm kinda annoyed at Patrick Klepek because he seems like the whitest dude ever and he's asking people to DM him epilepsy stories.

I get it, but something about a cis white guy doing that kinda stuff rubs me the wrong way.

You might come across as less of an rear end if you explained why exactly you feel that way.

Some quick googling tells me he's a journalist so I would guess he's doing research for an article, which is a legitimate reason to ask people for their stories as long as he's being polite about it. And what does someone's race and gender identity have to do with epilepsy?

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Sydin posted:

Too late unfortunately, their stock has already dipped over 10% because of the harsh reviews rolling in.

What reviews are these? Most of the ones I’ve seen have been glowing.

I’ve barely scratched the surface of the game so it’s not like I can give it a full review myself, but I can say I’m loving it so far. No game could ever hope to live up to 5 years of hype, and Witcher 3 was the toughest possible act to follow, but I’d say it was definitely worth the wait if a few launch bugs are the worst people can find to say about it.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Sydin posted:

It's a lot more than a few bugs, it's been early Fallout 76 levels of completely broken and borderline unplayable for a lot of people.

Here's a Bloomberg piece on the reviews/stock price: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-07/cd-projekt-s-cyberpunk-game-is-a-critical-hit-despite-glitches

Looks like that was written based on prerelease copies from before the day one patch they put out. I’m not saying there aren’t still a bunch of bugs in there, but apparently they weren’t bad enough to drag the score down very much if it’s sitting at 90 out of 100 on metacritic. The article is right in that it's not on the same level as GTAV or RDR2, but I'd still consider that a good score.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

SpaceCommie posted:

I just bookmarked the subscriptions page of youtube and use that to go to the site, so the first thing I see is my subbed channels videos in chronological order.

I kept finding it really weird that everyone was saying "hit the bell to be notified of a new video, because YouTube doesn't always tell my subscribers" because I rarely even look at the actual front page of youtube anymore.

Same. The recommendations I get don't tend to be that bad, usually, but it's way more convenient to just see a list of the channels I want to see and nothing else.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

It'd be great if someone could link to Dan's actual post, because I'm having a hard time believing it was as bad as some people are implying. He's basically the last person I'd ever imagine saying something like that.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Dawgstar posted:

The actual post Dan edited but the actual text remains because a lot of goons quoted it.

Thanks for digging that up, but it still sounds like something done in a moment of frustration that doesn't reflect his usual character. It also sounds like there was a lot going on behind the scenes involving people he knew personally, that he didn't feel it was appropriate to share with the whole internet. Of course, the smart thing to do would have been to just not say anything rather than hint at stuff he couldn't share, but frustration makes you do stupid things and it looks like he regretted it immedately after.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Sarcopenia posted:

I personally think that the way he talked about it afterwards made what he initially said worse. The closest thing I see to him apologizing is some Boogie levels of "Oh no I'm so depressed feel bad for me"-poo poo. He didn't seem to regret what he actually said, he regretted that it sounded bad and would invite more attention/drama to it. It was some chuddy bullshit and if it had been said by a creator that wasn't liked by this thread the tone would have been so different. Like yes, we don't personally know any of these people... So why are you giving the benefit of doubt to this person? Why is it ok for creators you like to basically say "I think that my friends are good people, they didn't do bad thing!" without giving any explanation as to why we should believe them over another stranger that claims to be a victim?

Well personally I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because I've been watching Folding Ideas practically since it started and there's no hint of a chuddy attitude in there. The opposite, in fact. He's spoken out against gamergate and 8chan and taken a lot of online abuse because of it, including having them spread rumors that he was a pedophile because he exposed their sharing of child porn. So when someone with an otherwise excellent track record makes a couple of ill-advised posts, I'm inclined to believe it was just a lapse in judgement and not a sign that he was a secret rear end in a top hat this whole time.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Nuns with Guns posted:

I mean, it's perfectly possible and constantly demonstrated here of all places that even people who are capable of some level of self-awareness and insight can have blind spots, be unable to put aside personal feelings they have towards friends, or very everything from a perfectly ethical objectivebot viewpoint. I don't know what's going on and I don't think any of us would ever know. In these sorts of situations though, it's usually best to believe the victim unless some compelling evidence can be produced regarding why that's not the case. I'm not even really clear what's going on though, like this is a woman who accused someone in that circle of friends or adjacent circles of friends of sexually assaulting her? Or is this something else?

I agree, but I wasn’t talking about the original incident (because I also have no idea what was going on there), just about Dan and his posts.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

lobster22221 posted:

The idea of being forced to become santa clause sounds like it could be a horror story. You slowly are becoming someone else. He sheds a tear as his last bit of control, but the rest of his face is ho ho hoing. Finally, there is no tim allen, there is only santa clause. The family he loved has no idea where he went after getting fat and going crazy, and will never see him again.

The premise was a little different but, Sfdebris once wrote a horror story about someone being forced to be Santa. Could easily have been a great Twilight Zone episode.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Sydin posted:

Lonesome Road is a long, boring corridor shooter where you occasionally have Avellone's requisite mouthpiece character call you up on the radio to whine about you picking a faction you never actually picked and tell you how sick Avellone is of the universe stagnating.

I hated that it tried to force a backstory onto the protagonist right at the last second, when they didn't need one and when it was far too late to actually establish anything and make said backstory interesting. Instead we just got some typical crap right out of the Bethesda playbook where someone is trying to launch a nuke because according to Bethesda it's not Fallout if it doesn't end with a nuke going off.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Groovelord Neato posted:

It's not really a backstory in the strictest sense. You delivered something in the past and moved on unless I'm forgetting something. You also didn't know what the platinum chip you were delivering was and it got you "killed" and set off the whole game.

I thought the point of Lonesome Road was you had no idea what happened or what you'd "done" because it was a just a seemingly inconsequential delivery job you'd done.

Well, yeah, the character may not have known about it at the time but it's still this hugely important incident that only gets brought up at the very end of the final dlc. It feels tacked-on, designed to force in some extra drama, and it just isn't a very compelling story to begin with.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Sydin posted:

The thing too is it was as simple to fix as giving the player a consistent option of saying "I have no loving clue what you're talking about and you have the wrong guy", which IIRC you can kinda say at first but gets dropped after the Divide reveal. Letting you roleplay as somebody with a completely different backstory who is clueless at the one Ulysses is trying to thrust on you both preserves player role playing and still feeds into Ulysses' issues of needing someone to pin the blame of what he sees as the failure of the wasteland on.

That’s true. It would be easy to handwave it away as Ulysses being nuts if the game gave you the option.

Sydin posted:

Outer Worlds was a perfectly competent loot and shooter, nothing really stood out to me about it though. It doesn't really have anything interesting to say, the party members are pretty flat and what depth they do have gets explored and dropped incredibly quickly, and the combat works and is fun but also lacking in depth or meaningful challenge. From what I understand though the game was more of a proof of concept to investors that Obsidian still had it after all their financial troubles a few years ago, and through that lens it makes me excited about what's to come from them in the future.

What tripped up a lot of people, including me, about The Outer Worlds is that it’s way, way more of a comedy game than any of the Fallouts, like it’s trying to be an episode of Futurama or Rick and Morty. That apparently worked for some players and they did manage to find it funny, but to me it felt like a shallow knockoff of those shows. Jokes that would’ve been snappy and clever as a five-second cutaway gag are stretched over an entire quest in some cases, ruining what comedic potential they had, and it tends to lack the sincere moments that serve to ground the comedy.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Companions with more grave and less whiny personal issues.

Just having any personality at all beyond a few shallow quips would be an upgrade for some of them. Like the cleaning robot who constantly talks about cleaning… and nothing else. T3-M4 from KOTOR only spoke in beeps but he still managed to be far more of a character than SAM.

The rest may not be that bad, but most of them still felt flat. It's like they finished writing Parvati and then gave up.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

I was lucky enough not to encounter any bugs or performance issues (aside from occasional minor stuff like one background NPC clipping through another) so I got to experience the game more or less as it was intended and overall I love it. The look and feel of the city was brilliant, the story kept me engaged and the combat felt like a better version of Fallout’s, which I already liked.

The one big gripe I have about it is the constant revolving door of weapon and armor upgrades. Witcher 3 had the same issue, but at least there you could go on quests for special equipment sets that would last a reasonably long time. Not so in this game. You can barely get used to a gun by the time it becomes obsolete, and upgrading hardly improves it at all.

Bakeneko fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Dec 22, 2020

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

I like to imagine he finally achieved enlightenment and ascended to a higher plane of existence, having bestowed what wisdom he could upon this undeserving world.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Merry Christmas, thread. And let’s not forget the true spirit of the holidays: staring in bafflement at terrible cartoons, when you’re not switching your brain off to enjoy some cheesy made-for-tv movies.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Sfdebris brings us the weirdly-titled Bare Midriff Contagion Christmas Special.

I’ll admit that despite my usual love of Sfdebris’ content I held off on watching this for a few days, since I really hate it when covid-related stuff seeps into my TV and youtube viewing, but I shouldn’t have doubted him like that. Instead of the usual doomer bullshit that might come with a video on this sort of topic, he actually devotes a lot of time to just talking about reasons to be positive and hopeful. It may not have been his usual Christmas fare, or anyone’s usual Christmas fare for that matter, but I’d say the spin he put on it certainly feels in line with the spirit of the season.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Casey Finnigan posted:

I'm annoyed at Diablo for starting up the loot bonanza stuff in games where you find a hundred different swords with tiny stat differences and have to juggle piles of garbage in your inventory forever

Feels like that poo poo's everywhere these days :(. Even in Tales of Zestiria, a jrpg, where it feels even more out of place than it normally does.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

I loved Berseria but being a prequel to Zestiria kinda took the wind out of the game's sails in a way. It would've been a way better game if they had just made a clean break and completely severed the ties between the two.

At least the Zestiria anime was cool.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Srice posted:

https://youtu.be/xb-DtICmPTY

Tim Rogers put out a six hour long(!) review/documentary/LP video on Tokimeki Memorial. Looking forward to watching this over the course of a week haha. It's gonna rule.

Well there was no way I was going to spend six hours watching the whole thing, but I skipped around trying to see if I could figure out the overall tone of it, and the main impression I got was about how offputting this guy’s delivery was.

I’m not even sure I can properly describe it. It’s like a comedian doing an impression of someone who’s just drank twelve cups of coffee in a row. He’s speaking weirdly fast and sometimes putting on a stammering, jittery affect, but it’s just so obviously fake that I can’t even tell if I’m supposed to take it seriously.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

The REAL Goobusters posted:

E: you know hes being serious right.

Well I'm sure he's expressing his real opinons, but what I can't tell is whether he intended for his delivery to be straightforward, or if he was putting on a deliberately over-the-top performance, kinda like when Sage does an entire episode of Anime Abandon as his "Suave" character.

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Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Allison coming in with a fairly hot take:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDsSCxVS2KA

I get her complaints. I like the episode as an acting showcase and as a little anthology-like break from the usual characters and formulas of the show—like, it’s good to me because I don’t really think of it as a Star Trek episode, like why the 50s sci-fi magazine racism IT’S REAL episode of DS9 is good. But I think these complaints about how it should fit into the larger frame of the series are pretty reasonable.

I totally agree with her. I hated that episode.

For me, it’s mainly because I find mind-control and memory manipulation to be some of the scariest concepts to imagine. Even scarier than death, in a way. I don’t mind seeing a show with that as a plot point as long as it’s being played for an appropriate amount of horror, but not when it’s being glossed over like in this episode.

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