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Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


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Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


BoldFrankensteinMir posted:

Does anyone else find it ironic that a thread about socialism starts with three posters claiming personal ownership of slots to respond in?

If you’d like to write a post I can put it in my slot. We can call it a post-share.

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


Cpt_Obvious posted:

So, how do we handle this literal conflict of interests? Socialism look for a way to break out of that adversarial relationship, and it concludes that Workers should be their own Bosses by owning the businesses in which they work. That's what most people mean by (little s) socialism the economic system. Workers decide their own wages, make their own schedules, and own all the products as well as the the tools to make them. There's no rear end in a top hat on Wall Street to skim off the top and cut their pay. Everyone who works at the ladder factory owns an equal share of the factory. This is what socialism concludes, and the government has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Not all factories make equal profit, have equal needs for workers, or have similar skill requirements. If wages are distributed equally among workers, you solve the problem of unequal pay at a local level. But the problem of more/less desirable jobs still exist and thereby some significant inequality.

How does socialism suggest to resolve this issue?

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


human garbage bag posted:

What if 51% of the workers vote to give themselves 100% of the wages and nothing to the other 49%?

This. Or the 99 doctors agree to pay the janitor a pittance and the janitor has no real say - but they can’t get any other job in the area. This method doesn’t seem to help minority disenfranchised groups.

Also, what about the fact that there will still be people working at a grocery store making a barely live-able wage while others working at the gizmo factory making lots of money because of high gizmo sales. The grocery store employees are still way poorer than the factory employees.

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


Cpt_Obvious posted:

It's not a perfect system. There are holes.

However:

Consider that how this exact same problem would function under Capitalism. It wouldn't take 99 doctors, it would take 1 spoiled little bitch baby who owns more of the company than anyone else. And the people who make the money while everyone else eats poo poo is not some anomaly or problem, it is the actual goal!

Sure. That’s fair. But with that answer I still see people clustering into socio-economic classes and there still being quite a few people in an awful position. People taking advantage of their wealth, skills, knowledge to hold a position of power.

I guess a broader question, then.

In your opinion, what problems specifically is Socialism intended to solve? And just as importantly, what isn’t it intended to solve?

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