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BoldFrankensteinMir posted:Animals horde stuff. Animals steal from each other, constantly. If anything, humans acting humane towards each other is a very brief bubble in the 3.5 billion year history of life on Earth. I'm not saying this is bad, it's great! I'm all for a more humane society! But we don't need this dumb idea of "oh it's our natural state to be kind and unselfish", it's patently untrue AND it sabotages our primary engine of growth towards such a society, which is us building up a better nature for ourselves despite our instincts, not leaning on what we used to be as a lost ideal. Animal behavior is incredibly complex and is especially in social animals who display signs of understanding of concepts like equity and empathy. https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/rats-chose-friendship-over-food/ There's a wide breadth of study being conducted on the behavior of social animals, its fascinating, its hard to say anything definitive without landing into anthropomorphizing but what we can say is that there is no evidence that animals hoard and steal as some form of innate "greed" Similarly, studies on human altruism point toward different outcomes than greed being innate https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/11/12/1408988111 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11467 Your argument that human greed is innate is based on the behavior you observe of persons operating in a system that explicitly promotes and produces that behavior.
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Slanderer posted:None of this actually backs your argument, but this whole line is besides the point. It True Nature of the Heart of Man is only relevant if you're a weirdo anprim making Biotruth arguments about socialism. Instead of trying to use the immortal science of marxism-lenism to create a better man, why not instead say you'd like to create a society that discourages certain behaviors by design (and prohibits others by law)? Come one man, I get where you're coming from but I'm just trying to point out to this dude that the biotruths idea that animals/people just love to hoard money/food isn't true and some studies where animals share food and people forego money for the benefit of others is a perfectly reasonable take on that. We can talk about the problems with the idea of "innate greed' and what we can really deduce from those studies another point in time.
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Slanderer posted:You're under the misconception that greed and altruism are mutually exclusive. They aren't, they're both social constructs (when applied to humans). People aren't robots, they're inherently contradictory You made your point clear that you dislike the simplification I used. Cool noted. I do not think greed or altruism are mutually exclusive or that people are robots. Anything else you wanna be pedantic about?
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Slanderer posted:I would also like to note for the record that Frankenstein was the name of the doctor, not the monster. This post made me lol because referring to the monster as Frankenstein is good praxis even if incorrect.
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