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6.5 I'm extremely relieved Trump is gone. He drew huge crowds and drove up Republican registrations bigly, and was making gains in the culture war. A majority of Americans still rate him better on the economy. After 4 years of seeing kids in cages, killing net neutrality, setting us backwards on climate goals, and pretending the pandemic was fake news and letting 250,000 americans die from negligence, nearly half this country voted for more. Trump is enthusiastically loved by his supporters, and it terrifies me that democrats spent their spirit bomb on turnout and barely won, winning several swing states by less than 1%. It's important to kill the root of this weed because the more people see this kind of thing win without consequences the more it emboldens them and swells their ranks. What the US does impacts the rest of the world. Right nationalism is on the rise everywhere in part because other countries emulate us. By normalizing it here we encourage it elsewhere and there is tangible good that can be done by sending a message that we won't tolerate it. I have no illusions about broad sweeping progressive change from a Biden administration--especially with a Republican Senate, and outright fear what kind of foreign policy will come. There are concerning issues with his cabinet picks. I also know full well that this will embolden neoliberals in the democratic party. The fight continues. Bodyholes fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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5. Relieved that Trump is gone. I don't think that Biden will enact any real sweeping change, especially if the Senate if R controlled. I'm more worried about how everyone on my social media is focusing more on Kamala than Biden. They are itching for her to run in 2024, and gently caress that. I didn't vote for Biden, I voted against Trump. I certainly didn't vote to support Kamala. Her past is awful, and I think she'll absolutely be an establishment Democrat through and through.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Would you rather have four more years of Donald Trump? Hey, now that Biden is elected, can we make this phrase probatable? Because otherwise it's gonna get trotted out every single time anyone makes a criticism of Biden. For me I'm a 3. He's only slightly better than Trump, but my big worry is that a lot of people are just going to pretend like everything is better just because Trump is gone. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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1 +1 for being more stable and likely not doing something completely insane +1 for showcasing the failures of liberal democracy -1 for being more stable and likely doing some regular American foreign policy -1 for showcasing the failures of liberal democracy in a way that'll just embolden the right further
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3.6, not great but not terrible either.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:1 Wait a second! I'm no math scholar but wouldn't two +1s and two -1s be a zero? But I guess since I asked on a scale of 1 to 10 you had to default to a 1. That's fair.
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Nov 8, 2020 14:43
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Everyone posted:Call it maybe a 6. I feel like America just took a huge, painful, exhausting poo poo and it's still going to take three months to get the toilet unclogged. Yeah, that feeling is sooooo good immediately afterward but then you realize medical for all isn't happening...
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CocoaNuts posted:Yeah, that feeling is sooooo good immediately afterward but then you realize medical for all isn't happening... The need for it isn't going away, and now they don't have trump to hide behind.
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Bidens not even in office yet and he's already a better president tham trump because he's said america won't be leaving the WHO and they'll rejoin the paris climate agreement. so uggh like a 7?
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IF the question is "how excited are you for Donald Trump's presidency to be over," a 10. Obviously. If the question is actually how excited am I for Biden himself to be president? 3. That'll go up 4-5 if Dems retake the Senate in January. With full control of Washington I'd at least give them a chance to do some good. Without the senate, there won't be much he can do.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:1 Yeah, sounds about right, looking at it seriously. A 10 in terms of being jokerfied and ready to spend 4 years laughing at the continued decline of the American Empire while liberals have their turn to try to rationalize the actions of their party's warmongering dotard.
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Nov 8, 2020 15:09
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7 right now because of the high of bringing down Trump and excited for an actual Covid plan But probably like a 2. I just don't think he's going to get much done besides undoing some Trump stuff.
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Nov 8, 2020 15:10
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0. This whole cycle has demonstrated that I just don't care anymore. Any semblance of an American left is dead. All I can do now is whatever it takes to survive, whether there's a Democrat president or a Republican president my material conditions haven't - and won't - fundamentally change. All my Bernie posters came down, all the Democrat emails have been filtered and routed to junk, I've disaffiliated from the party, and I'm going try and just get removed from the voter rolls which shouldn't be too difficult in Broward County. I don't even give a poo poo about 3rd parties anymore. I'm just deflated.
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Am I the first person to answer "moderately"
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I'd say I'm about a 7. If we can win the two Senate seats in georgia I'll start to feel more hopeful, but I'm incredibly relieved that trump and his death cult will be leaving. Fingers crossed, hoping for the best, but ready to fight for it.
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Like a 5. Today is day one of pushing Biden as far left as possible and being as critical of his administration as necessary. With a Biden administration we're fighting to gain new ground, not protecting the ground we already have.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Like a 5. Today is day one of pushing Biden as far left as possible and being as critical of his administration as necessary. With a Biden administration we're fighting to gain new ground, not protecting the ground we already have. How? Your negotiating chip was your vote, and you gave it go him.
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Marx Was A Lib posted:How? Are you asking how I can push Biden to the left?
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Marx Was A Lib posted:How? This isn't the thread for arguing about other people's votes. Take it elsewhere.
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Marx Was A Lib posted:How? protest, call your representatives, support various progressive organizations that are able to put pressure on Congress, there's a ton you can do. The democratic process doesn't stop just because the election is over.
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You know who seems to be incredibly excited? https://twitter.com/machineiv/status/1325473234590990337 Harris stans who hate trans women! Gee, weird how they feel such kinship with her, haven't they heard the campaign said 'trans rights' once? So yea I'm about like, fuckin I dunno, a 2? Between poo poo like this and slugs like Clyburn spending the sunday punching left it's crystal clear what the agenda is.
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6. He’s no leftist but he will undoubtedly be far far more progressive than Trump and possibly more than Obama. A president who isn’t actively going out of their way to gently caress over workers or marginalized groups is big and should allow for the leftist orgs actually putting in the hard work to thrive. More and more I’m accepting that a real leftist president will probably never happen in my life. Focusing on Congress and state races is where it’s at, as well as working to ensure there is someone in the White House who isn’t the literal embodiment of the evils of capitalism like Trump. Biden is not progressive. But right off the bat his initial executive orders are miles better than the dogshit Trump trotted out.
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7-8. Obviously there's a lot of crap because of the senate. But for his faults (and this thread and many others in here cover them at length, some fair, some bs but I don't want another prob so I won't get into that) he seems like a legit person who is an adult and cares. That alone makes a great deal of difference. his executive orders will help environmental causes, and help us get out of Covid faster. For the actual progressive causes we all care about? UBI, universal health care, ending college debt? Reform of racist institutions and norms. I had hoped we get two of those in the next four years, and now it looks like we'll be lucky to get .5 of one of those. But just having Biden in office buys us more time to actually get our messaging together. (Like, while we should defund the police maybe don't talk about it till we're in office and then just do it? Same goes for gun control. Act just like they do about banning women's right to choose, but talk about it even less.)
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As a citizen of a close American ally, 8/10 because the world's sole superpower and guarantor of my nation's security won't be run by a glorified mafia boss that loves to putz around with other fascist leaders for 4 more years.
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8 with the senate, 5 without. I think Biden will surprise a lot of people with his openness and desire for progress. For most of his career he has been one of many senators, and then vice president (which while it's very close to the top of the executive, is 100% in the shadow of the actual top). But I see signs from things like his attitude to apartheid in the 80s, and expressions of his attitude to trans rights, that he probably has a forward-looking streak that has yet to find its full flourishing.
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10, canadian so im glad we wont be a threat any more apparently. also dont have to hear about trumpa ll the time
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queeb posted:10, canadian so im glad we wont be a threat any more apparently. Yeah, 8 to 10 here as a Canadian as well. At least his rancid, racist, nationalistic, fascist loving garbage won't spill out into the rest of the world. Domestic policy, I'd be less pleased by, so I understand why a lot of Americans are not enthusiastic, but oh my god I am so relieved that he sets the tone for the world rather than Donald Trump.
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I'm not American but Trumpism was certainly starting to bleed quite heavily into the discourse in the UK and Australia and I'm certainly hopefully that this will put them back in their box at least somewhat. Your healthcare system is going to remain garbage though and his foreign policy record is pretty atrocious so it's really a return to the mean of banal corporatist evil as opposed to the utter madness of the last 4 years. Edit - so erm I guess 4?
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4. It would be much lower but just the fact that Trump is in the running for worst president in US history helps quite a bit. The country stopped getting worse but it probably won't get that much better.
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queeb posted:also dont have to hear about trumpa ll the time Yes we will. Trump’s compulsion to be the top news story at all times is analogous to that of a chronic masturbator. We’ll be hearing about him until he finally loving croaks.
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Definitely 10. I rather have Harris as president but oh well. I feel the administration will be successful in salvaging what can be of the coronavirus response and get the vaccine out free to everyone. I also believe he can get an infrastructure and jobs plan passed as well as get the economy in terms of both employment numbers and the stock market up. Real chance at a public option for health care too.
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5 I don't expect a great socialist utopia under Biden, especially with McConnel still in the white house. Im gonna guess we will still see more of the "Sandbag everything except what we know will pass" Approach we saw during Obama/Trump. But at least people like Betsy Devos will be gone and the boot will be taken off LGBT people somewhat, especially kids.
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3 if the GOP keeps the senate, 6 if the Dems take the senate (I am not going to give myself hope and just assume that the GOP will retain their majority for the forseeable future). Mitch McConnel and pals will continue to be a bunch of unbearable obstructionists, and I'm not sure how much Biden can do through the executive branch alone and I'm not sure how the more conservative courts will play into it. I'm scared of the 2022 mid-terms, I fear the Republicans will come roaring back with a vengeance, and I expect them to impeach, convict, and remove out of petty vengeance. I mulled over the possibility of a 2024 Trump run as a kind of "joke ending" for Trump's political career, but after seeing him get the margins he got, he might stand a better chance at second non-consecutive term than I had thought. I do look forward to a president that doesn't dominate the news cycle with his stupidity, it will be a substantial improvement to my mental health.
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MRSMO posted:I mulled over the possibility of a 2024 Trump run as a kind of "joke ending" for Trump's political career, but after seeing him get the margins he got, he might stand a better chance at second non-consecutive term than I had thought. I'm banking on either SDNY prosecutions or failing health to prevent a Trumpian return. PLEASE!!!! We can't bear any more of that disaster.
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DrSunshine posted:You're expecting 60 Republicans in the Senate in 2022? 58 is probably more reasonable Also -3 for title question
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Acebuckeye13 posted:While his vote and initial support for the Iraq War has been (and should be) roundly criticized, I object to the term "architect" as A) that implies the motherfuckers who were making decisions about the war had any actual plans for the invasion and occupation beyond "topple saddam, prove we can knock over whatever dictator we want, get fat oil contracts, GTFO," and B) it lets the people like Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld who were the driving forces towards getting us into Iraq off easy, when instead their names should be in every American textbook and also headlining war crimes tribunals, treason trials, and burning effigies in the town square of every american city. Have you ever considered the possibility there might be a connection between the fact that Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumseld are not listed as war criminals in American texbooks and the equally true fact that the guy who was their point man in the Senate became the standard bearer for the opposition party some twenty years later?
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10, I can't wait to see what Meg Whitman and John Kasich will do in the new Biden Administration!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:10. Once I was young and impulsive I wore every conceivable pin Even went to the socialist meetings Learned all the old union hymns But I've grown older and wiser And that's why I'm turning you in So love me, love me, love me, I'm Vincent van Goatse Anyway, 1.
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1. The immediacy of how house dems have started to attack progressives is a worrying signifier that there will be no dragging left. I’m done with it; Biden, Congress, and the party are the most contemptible fuckers and I’m done.
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