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You know who seems to be incredibly excited? https://twitter.com/machineiv/status/1325473234590990337 Harris stans who hate trans women! Gee, weird how they feel such kinship with her, haven't they heard the campaign said 'trans rights' once? So yea I'm about like, fuckin I dunno, a 2? Between poo poo like this and slugs like Clyburn spending the sunday punching left it's crystal clear what the agenda is.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:... No, because that sounds like the ravings of an insane person, rather than my preferred take that life is grueling and disappointing, and that people in power who do bad things are rarely held accountable for a wide variety of reasons. nah man you don't get to just overtly rewrite history. He was a major figure in the party and on the loving foreign relations committee, his words had power and making him the big cheerleader for the war was a key factor in getting dem support, this is just objective fact, the bush white house openly talked about how biden was a big figure to focus on woo'ing and thanks to him the AUMF skated through with hand picked experts who all came to the same conclusion of 'aw yea if we don't do this now Saddam's totally gonna nuke us. In fact, the 'welcome us as liberators' narrative began in HIS committee.
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Nov 9, 2020 05:03
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The Artificial Kid posted:Unfortunately this was the world they were operating in at the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#May_2003 you, uh, you remember what year the AUMF passed, right? (it was 2002)
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Nov 9, 2020 05:10
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it's almost like they manipulated a nation wide disgusting sunk cost fallacy of 'well look we're already THERE so what you wanna go tell this dead dude's mom he died for nothing???' to keep support for an unpopular war and this could have been avoided by...not...doing...the war????
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Nov 9, 2020 05:11
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The Artificial Kid posted:Read higher. America (wrongly) wanted the war. I'm not saying it makes voting for it right, but it stops it being something that evil puppetmaster of war Joe Biden foisted on everyone. No, they didn't quote:Although pro-war sentiments were very high after 9/11, public opinion stabilized soon after, and slightly in favor of the war. According to a Gallup poll conducted from August 2002 through early March 2003, the number of Americans who favored the war in Iraq fell to between 52 percent to 59 percent, while those who opposed it fluctuated between 35 percent and 43 percent.[10] Gallup, a right wing outlet who's samples always lean old and reactionary barely had a majority, and at those numbers...gently caress them? The AUMF passed in October 2002, this is just not the case of some poor innocent biden going along with the savage will of the proles, it was manufactured consent!
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Nov 9, 2020 05:14
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The Artificial Kid posted:Yeah, consent that was manufactured by the Bush administration with fake evidence of WMD. A consent that Biden and the other democrats had to take into account in deciding how to approach the issue. he didn't have to take poo poo into account because he was in charge of the committee! If he was worried about people being lied to he could have called ONE expert to say 'uh no, everything general Powel is saying is absolutely insane, moving WMDs to Syria in the dead of the night? That's Tom Clancy horse poo poo, and pictures of industrial activity in an industrial zone prove nothing', instead HE called nothing but yes men. It was his call and he chose to go along blindly with what absolute monsters like Powel wanted (and then continue to reward him with DNC speaking slots and poo poo in 2020!) Joe was either too stupid to be trusted with power, or he was an active participate in that manufacturing.
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Nov 9, 2020 05:23
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The Artificial Kid posted:Because this time around (I hope) nobody is going to 9/11 America, nor manufacture a case for war against another country and present it to the American public. If you can point to a time in the past where Biden has decided a war should happen of his own free will, then used America's intelligence agencies against their will to fabricate a case for that war, I'm all ears. That is not what happened in relation to Iraq. A cabal in the White House and Pentagon created that war, for their own financial benefit, and Biden was one of many who went along with it at a point in time when most Americans supported it (because the American people had been duped). So just to be clear your optimistic take is that Joe Biden was too stupid to do even the most token level opposition to a plan entirely cooked up by the white house only? You know what company functionally owns Delaware, right? You know how much money they made on military profiteering? It's almost like...the financial and political incentive to support the war were actually bipartisan, and leadership from both sides actively participated in maybe one of the most evil modern american acts done by our government. Also Joe was a big supporter of what we did in Libya and wanted to do more in Syria, did the ghost of Dick Cheny force him to saber rattle there too?
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Nov 9, 2020 05:29
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Lol it wasn't even the first time Dupont made bank off Iraq my dude https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/11/world/un-links-du-pont-to-iraq-arms-plan.html
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Nov 9, 2020 05:31
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Dumper Humper posted:Harry Reid had to bar him from negotiating with republicans because he was compromising even beyond what dems had already agreed to. it's so loving funny that Reid, who sucked in a lot of ways himself, was our last dem leader with a backbone and balls, and he had to spend most of his last years in the senate pulling Joe away from the cliff he kept eagerly trying to jump off.
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Nov 9, 2020 19:42
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The Oldest Man posted:It's really weird that I actually miss the machine Democrats of yesteryear who were lovely but at least not brainpoisoned by bipartisanship decorum brainworms like all of the Obama-adjacent people seem to be. Like, come on, how can you not miss this guy a little oh Reid ruled, he was a monster but he ruled. He's also the dude who just big dicked lied that Romney didn't pay taxes, knowing he was safe doing it on the senate floor, and then later when everyone was 'what, no he paid taxes we have the records' he just went 'yea but it worked'.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Funny you should mention that! doesn't Harris have a sister in law or cousin or something literally on Uber's board who pushed for 22 to begin with?
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