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I don't think it's done and the people who were using it as a convenient way to snipe at their enemies are scum who're going to find out very quickly that it's not a movement that goes away. It's also broader than just America, there's stuff happening in France because of it and presumably elsewhere. Here's an article about a French pedophile who lost his pension because of it.quote:I have no hope for #MeToo anymore. Like every other feminist movement, it is abused to let powerful women off the hook for harming other women (think right-wing dipshits tweeting things like "aren't feminists happy a women like Amy Coney Barrett can be on the Supreme Court hurr hurr" when she would irreparably harm other women by denying them healthcare and abortion access (which is also healthcare but I digress)). We're not going to win unless we can start speaking in material terms, instead of victimhood. Getting the stories out there is important and the victory comes decades from now after the last abuser is dead. Meanwhile, when people try to cynically appropriate #metoo, call them shitters and keep pushing for institutional change. Republicans won a battle with ACB not the war.
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Neurolimal posted:I'm intrigued by this. Has something specific happened recently that you are referring to, or is this just a general statement? Just a general statement. I do think that the motive matters though, if you ignore it entirely it encourages people like Jacob Wohl and others of his ilk to just fabricate claims.
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Do you think #metoo was fake or astroturfed? It wasn't the Dems who started it. It's not over afaict, though you do have to go looking for it.
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Stairmaster posted:Isn't it over now that the democrats abandoned it. Stairmaster posted:I think it's dead in the water after we elected a rapist to the highest office in this country to replace another rapist. The idea that the Democrats control #metoo is really dumb and accepting of a conservative framing of the movement. When I mentioned looking for it I mean it's like any other movement, you do in fact have to go looking for them if you want information about them. Timeless Appeal posted:I think people get way to obsessed with traditional power hierarchies when they talk about sexual harassment and assault. My own harassment experiences have come from people who are my peers. I do understand people getting upset when the powerful get away with things, but I'll be frank, those who ring in with the whole me too is dead stuff aren't really helpful. I assume that the people who think it's dead think that because they either want it dead or have willfully blinded themselves to it not being dead.
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RPZip posted:I'll also admit that this is also a very US-centric read, as well as being a very politics-focused one, but it seems like that's where most of the high-profile cases I've seen have been aimed. If that's not true in other countries then I'd be interested to hear more about it. It's not even true in the US, wrt it being politically focused. Way more people in entertainment or the media have gone down for being sex creeps since #metoo started trending than have in politics. Unless you assume (wrongly) that #metoo was an astroturfed movement designed to bring down Democrats' foes then it's still chugging along doing what it was supposed to do. Ideally it's not aimed at all, it's a gradual social change that leads to fewer instances of sexual assault and a rise in people being aware that consent doesn't exist where structural power issues prevent it from doing so. As for outside the US, there's Ubisoft. So basically what comes next is the movement keeps on being a movement and people will occasionally be reminded it exists as another abuser gets outed.
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Crane Fist posted:I was just looking for an overview, if I have to do loving homework to understand what your movement wants then you're doing it very wrong you've read marx, surely?
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tbh I think it's mostly that some people are more interested in declaring the movement dead than anything. There's not really anything to d&d at that point.
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The "disingenuous politics class" isn't on the forums and that hostility is why this is a dead thread.
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Probably Magic posted:What do you think would revive this thread, Relevant Tangent? In all sincerity. Probably just letting it lie fallow until someone who is involved in the movement comes along and wants to talk about it. There seems to be hostility itt to #metoo, the idea that it's astroturfed. I don't know how else to describe the idea that there's a disingenuous politics class on SA.
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I'm fine with that. Neither of those two groups post on SA.
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Probably Magic posted:Part of deprogramming people is going to take understanding the real concerns that hide behind their bullshit beliefs, so any articles about about the nexus between assault victims and QAnon would be interesting to see, but most articles I see just dissect how the conspiracy has spread through instagram and the like. It may be impossible to truly psychoanalyze the average Q person and find where their real concerns end and their fabricated concerns begin, but it still intrigues me as a research field. If you want a thread for how to address QAnon's baseless poo poo and how to deprogram them you should add that to title so people know. Personally I don't think it can be done, they believe all that bullshit because 'democrats are all pedophiles' gives them an excuse to hate people they're already predisposed to hate
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