Speleothing posted:2500 gold in the treasury and you didn't even put one point of PD into the thrones Real power move.
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Araganzar posted:That was some good trick. The strongest meta is to run an LP in which you are absolutely incompetent
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Rad. Don't forget to get it on the archive.
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habituallyred posted:Rad. Don't forget to get it on the archive. idk how to do this Nice piece of fish posted:This was a great read. i'm glad you enjoyed it  PurpleXVI posted:Thanks for the LP! I think the only thing I could say is if you do another, downsize your screenshots a bit. i started with them as thumbnails but jsoh complained so this is what you get Tulip posted:that was very cool I liked the brusque lp style I know you said it's probably you're only time doing this but I'd be very happy if you did more hmmm! you know what? i'll think about it Araganzar posted:That was some good trick. look, i'll be real: i've been playing continuously for five years and right now i'm floating slightly above a 50% career win rate. so honestly at this point i'd welcome the challenge.
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FilthIncarnate posted:look, i'll be real: i've been playing continuously for five years and right now i'm floating slightly above a 50% career win rate. I do feel like since we started the podcast thing players have been less inclined to let me get away with my most egregious bullshit at least.
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Ramc posted:I do feel like since we started the podcast thing players have been less inclined to let me get away with my most egregious bullshit at least. A Dominions podcast?
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Speleothing posted:A Dominions podcast? The number one rated dominions podcast of all time, yes.
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Ramc posted:The number one rated dominions podcast of all time, yes. Out of a field of one, correct? And I'm only partially joshing you, technically correct is still the best kind of correct!
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Great read! Really appreciated the diplo chatlogs, and I'd love to hear the perspectives from the other players.
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Ramc posted:I do feel like since we started the podcast thing players have been less inclined to let me get away with my most egregious bullshit at least. What's the podcast?
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Omnicrom posted:Out of a field of one, correct? I'm just 'talent'. I assume we are number one out of an intensely competitive field of dominions podcasting. Cthulhu Dreams posted:What's the podcast? https://illwiki.com/dom5/ruby-discourse
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This was a very entertaining read
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This has been an entertaining and enlightening read. That throne rush was truly inspired.
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Thank you for this lp!
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This link seems to have the details of getting a thread archived : https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=153724.
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OK, now I want to see more Dominions LPs. Anyone got recommendations?
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Ramc's LP was a good one. It's on the LP Archive, but the thread is still available here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3885426 There are also two Dominions 3 LPs on the LP archive. I'd suggest this one for buildscharacter's contributions, it's a good read. https://lparchive.org/Dominions-3-(by-Lilli-et-al)/
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It's good to see a Dominions play through where the person we are following won! This was a good read, thank you.
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Gort posted:OK, now I want to see more Dominions LPs. Anyone got recommendations? There's a whole trilogy of Newbad LPs https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3891653&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#post495826028 this is where Purple gets a lot of his forums side reputation btw
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Purplebeard posted:This has been an entertaining and enlightening read. That throne rush was truly inspired. Literally divinely inspired
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FilthIncarnate posted:look, i'll be real: i've been playing continuously for five years and right now i'm floating slightly above a 50% career win rate. TBQH I was curious about that because the only thing I wasn't a huge fan of in the LP was the degree to which less knowledgeable players were ridiculed. I mean this is SA but the tone felt a little schadenfreudey. But now I can see how frustrating it would be to work as hard as you did in this LP and build a really nice war machine only to fight people that don't even seem to be trying. It must drive you absolutely crazy. And there's no real satisfaction in beating them. It gives you a really poor ROI for your effort. Are there not games with ranked play where you could assume you'll face reasonably competent opponents? Or is that too small a pool of players? I'm not sure who your peers are, over 50% win rate is insane, especially when playing against people aware of your track record. Although if I were in a game with you I would probably be very disinclined at this point to attack you unless I was part of a dogpile with some very large dogs involved.
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Well, Diplomacy IS the strongest magic path in this game.
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Araganzar posted:TBQH I was curious about that because the only thing I wasn't a huge fan of in the LP was the degree to which less knowledgeable players were ridiculed. I mean this is SA but the tone felt a little schadenfreudey. But now I can see how frustrating it would be to work as hard as you did in this LP and build a really nice war machine only to fight people that don't even seem to be trying. It must drive you absolutely crazy. And there's no real satisfaction in beating them. It gives you a really poor ROI for your effort. your concerns and criticisms are both legitimate and warranted; i've basically avoided doing a let's play for the past five years because: i don't really enjoy gloating, and that's sort of what this stuff feels like. but i ended up doing this lp (and ramc and i started the podcast) because: like when i started playing like five years ago there were still a lot of really great active players in the SA scene: nuclearmonkee's cohort. as time has gone on life has taken them on different journeys (or whatever) etc etc and suddenly i qualify as a veteran; most of the new crop are totally fresh, and the Old Ways are forgotten. i've won as consistently as i have for as long as i have mostly by: never gloating. this worked great vs people who were much better than me but jbrereton made the point to me that it's not great for the community if i keep murdering people while keeping the mechanisms opaque. so this is done in the spirit of public service. certainly the process of putting together a let's play is tedious and i don't particularly care for being the center of attention, but here we are. Araganzar posted:Are there not games with ranked play where you could assume you'll face reasonably competent opponents? Or is that too small a pool of players? I'm not sure who your peers are, over 50% win rate is insane, especially when playing against people aware of your track record. for better or for worse, the Ruby Discord (i.e. the SA-adjacent dominions community) is probably still home to the best dominions players in the world. other prominent communities have weird meta that seems to have been grandfathered in from like, dominions 3, or something, i.e. a decade ago. the 50% win rate is in part due to the fact that, idiosyncratically, i only ever play in one game at a time. since the average dominions game lasts for months, idk i could try to figure it out but i've almost certainly played fewer than 20 total. definitely not 30. and as for people being aware of my track record: the internet moves very, very fast, and dominions moves very, very slow. win one game every four months and don't make a big deal out of it? nobody knows who you are. which is handy for the next game when you're someone's neighbor and you're arranging a four-way dogpile. Last Transmission posted:Well, Diplomacy IS the strongest magic path in this game. it really is. the thing about me is, honestly? i'm not super great at the nuts and bolts of the game. there are players i can think of (in particular jsoh) who are really, really good at scripting fights, and idk, i'm just not one of them! but i'm very careful and diplomatic, and that sometimes pays off the bitcoin of weed posted:And thus the game ends with Kailasa having fought maybe one serious and competitive battle in the entire game, vs ulm on turn 20 or so. Revealing the true secret of dominions: actually fighting wars is for suckers i went back and looked, it was on turn 30. but yes your point is taken Omnicrom posted:Work smarter, not harder. Remember: The goal of the game is to win, not to fight wars. i feel like this is a bitter pill for many dominions players, since they want to do the fun fighty stuff and run units into each other but ironically it turns out to be much better if everyone else fights each other while you quietly pursue your goals
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FilthIncarnate posted:but ironically it turns out to be much better if everyone else fights each other while you quietly pursue your goals I've won two and one third games, and I can agree with this, though it largely depends on your initial expansion. If you can secure access to three or better yet four thrones before initial vs-indies expansion settles down, you're usually in a good space to turtle for a bit. Otherwise, one early war to expand your throne contact and economic base, and then for the rest of it I was largely just teching up. In one case assaulting people as they went AI for unrelated reasons and eating up more real estate than I had the right to. On the other I just had superb throne contact and managed to get, like Filth, some good earth attack access that make me real hard to contend with. And in the one-third(because we were a three-man disciple team) we ate up one other disciple trio early on before settling down to mass-produce tartarians and other end-phase war machines to secure our win once things got spicy.
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FilthIncarnate posted:i feel like this is a bitter pill for many dominions players, since they want to do the fun fighty stuff and run units into each other Which is a shame, because the whole point of the dominions series is to answer the question posed by the developers; who would win in a fight between Jesus and Odin?
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sullat posted:Which is a shame, because the whole point of the dominions series is to answer the question posed by the developers; who would win in a fight between Jesus and Odin? This is funny because they created a game wherein, with their base stats, they would both lose to a surprisingly small number of the weakest units in the game. It feels like the thesis of the game is that if we all band together quickly enough we could easily dethrone and kill God before they ruin the world with swarms of vampires and demons and wishes for Armageddon.
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rzal posted:This is funny because they created a game wherein, with their base stats, they would both lose to a surprisingly small number of the weakest units in the game. It feels like the thesis of the game is that if we all band together quickly enough we could easily dethrone and kill God before they ruin the world with swarms of vampires and demons and wishes for Armageddon. 
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Just remember, the fact that the struck enemy is still there means that the 999 damage failed to kill it.
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My games suffer from me wanting my enemies to learn from our fights.  Also, I'm really spiteful about slimy diplomacy. I'm fine with general dominions backstabbery, that's just part of the game, but, I dunno how to describe it best, if you give me a petty mastermind vibe, I will kill you on sight and won't hesitate to throw games to make sure you lose.e: Another reason why the OP is good at winning: He focuses on winning the game. It cannot be stressed enough how important this is.
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The history of this picture, specifically what that grey and white pattern in the background is, is probably the funniest things to come out of the old SA Dominions threads.
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Something I learned from playing the board game Diplomacy is how important it is to spend a lot of time talking to everybody. Even if you just backstabbed someone, keep talking to them. Making plans with everyone is how you avoid getting dogpiled. Thanks filth/Turtle for showing the chats; it would have looked like a totally different game otherwise.
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Diplomancy is very strong in these sorts of games and since FI is doing one game at a time he can really keep his story straight and devote resources to that part of the game. It was pretty cool to see in the chatlogs parts where FI has to remind people what game he's talking about when entering diplomacy.my dad posted:e: Another reason why the OP is good at winning: He focuses on winning the game. It cannot be stressed enough how important this is. Looking at this from an outside perspective, my math is that, given the number of players per game, anybody who's got a >10% win rate is kicking rear end. Which means that when you think about playing, unless you're pretty confident, you're adjusting your expectations to a <10% chance of winning. Which means "10% or so chance of winning" is now competing with "trying out some outlandish new bullshit," and boy does dominions have options for outlandish bullshit. Makes a lot more sense to just see what nonsense you can pull and worry about winning as a happy side effect.
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Tulip posted:Which means "10% or so chance of winning" is now competing with "trying out some outlandish new bullshit," and boy does dominions have options for outlandish bullshit. Makes a lot more sense to just see what nonsense you can pull and worry about winning as a happy side effect. unironically, in the games that i tend to win typically i'm trying to do both. in addition to my "one-game policy" i also have a standing rule never to repeat myself, since if i did i would basically never get to see any of the like 60+ nations dominions has to offer. anyway when i win it's because i'm usually trying to pull off some ridiculous stunt. like i did in this game, tbqh; kailasa is a notoriously bad nation. before that i won with luck hinnom; before that, blood bandar log. probably my favorite thing i ever did was Lavazotz, a strategy i had been cooking for literal years. it didn't make much of a splash in the meta but i did, after much effort, find a way to make ea abysia viable. honestly i probably should've let's played that game, if i let's played any game, but v[''.]v hindsight is 20/20
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Tulip posted:you can't just say you spent years cooking up a successful strategy and just drop the name without giving like, at least a paragraph explaining/gloating guess what.......i can and moreover? i will  Tulip posted:(also blood bandar log, impressive, have thought about that but never committed) same deal as kailasa; take the maneater with at least b4 and sprint through the early game. you'll have to empower him in air once to summon your first dakini but that + expansion is what he's for, in much the same way that in this game he was for expansion + bless + ebdw/riches. anyway arcvasti has a thing they wanted to post and the thread is only open so they can post it. hurry up arcvasti!!!!!
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just wanted to pop in to say i quite enjoyed this LP, thanks for doing it, was always looking forward to the updates as they happened it got me checking out some other LPs, and Gort posted:OK, now I want to see more Dominions LPs. Anyone got recommendations? the clown LP by gonadic io was a pretty fun one i also checked out in addition to some of the others already mentioned.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:And thus the game ends with Kailasa having fought maybe one serious and competitive battle in the entire game, vs ulm on turn 20 or so. I'd say that's down to a combination of game setup and other players who seemed weirdly oblivious of the game setup. The game was set up so you could win by taking thrones, and then barely any players actually took any thrones.
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FilthIncarnate posted:probably my favorite thing i ever did was Lavazotz, a strategy i had been cooking for literal years. it didn't make much of a splash in the meta but i did, after much effort, find a way to make ea abysia viable. I would also love to hear what this was. ... I just wish games still went long enough to hit late-game BS, I've always wanted to see someone dicking around with Lords of Civilization or other similar poo poo. Great LP anyway, will mirror the feedback that images could have been smaller, sometimes pages took forever to load.
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Great LP, glad I was along for the ride. Also about FI win status. The most important part of being a dominions veteran is having 5 people come at you with rusty knives on turn 8 in order to make sure you don't eat them first. It is the crown of coronation for all big leaguers.
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