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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

CGI Stardust posted:


"Every contribution, however big or small, makes a real difference for our future. Support the Guardian from as little as £1 – and it only takes a minute. Thank you." as they continue to pay for this dreck instead of a handful of investigative journalists

Just imagine the savings if the Guardian cut loose their stable of identikit, overpaid, 'centrist' opinion havers. And the paper might actually become readable again.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

feedmegin posted:

I'm not surprised. My parents live up that way and it's Old People Central, very Leave supporting iirc. People round there are largely more likely to align with UKIP than anyone socialist.

Yeah, Morecambe is where the oldies who fancy a cottage in the Lake District but can't afford it move to.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jose posted:

i'm aware. thinking of going after 9pm when it'll be really quiet at least

I'm going at 5am tomorrow, before the germs have woken up.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
GW's success has obliged the FT to report on it from time to time and they always do it with ill-concealed irritation that a business selling little plastic space dolls has become one of the runaway investing success stories of the decade.






I wish I'd invested in GW back in 2013.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
I've been thinking of buying a bunch of GW kit myself tbh, might as well paint some Orks while I have nothing better to do with my time :shrug:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

kingturnip posted:

Moshé Machover is described as an Israel-born anti-Zionist, which is wording that suggests to me that he isn't Jewish as such

Wikipedia posted:

Moshé Machover (Hebrew: משה מחובר‎; born 1936) is a mathematician, philosopher, and socialist activist, noted for his writings against Zionism. Born to a Jewish family in Tel Aviv, then part of the British Mandate of Palestine, Machover moved to Britain in 1968 where he became a naturalised citizen.


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Embedded in the link is a copy of the letter sent by the Labour Party to Machover which he is supposed to address the 'evidence'. I'm quite genuinely shocked.

Yeah, that is shocking and creepy as gently caress. It's blatantly a campaign to push Jewish people with inconvenient beliefs out of the party. loving Starmer, what a shitstain.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Hey, I never voted for Starmer but I attended his 1st Zoom call as party leader, along with 7000 other members and was broadly impressed with him - he seemed sincere, grounded and genuine about wanting to unite the party and move forwards after our election defeat.

Fast-forward 8 months and I've left the party and dislike and utterly mistrust the man, it's been quite the wild ride. It IS impressive just how badly he's screwed up his initial task - uniting the party and providing a clear sense of direction - and just how short a time frame he's managed all that in.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Yeah, I voted for RLB, although with some reluctance: I thought she was the best of an underwhelming bunch but lacked the force and drive to really take charge of the party. Her reaction to being sacked for that tweet just confirmed my opinion of her, obediently scurrying off out of the public eye without making any attempt to fight such an obvious injustice against her.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Be careful about placing too much weight on PMQ's - the pundits love it but the general public neither watch nor care about it (I think the tv audience is 250,000 people or something). Starmer can clobber Johnson as much as he likes at the despatch box - nobody's noticing it and it doesn't translate into polling gains for Labour.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
fascinating:monocle:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Julio Cruz posted:

any consequences of Brexit will be blamed on the EU punishing us for daring to leave

Yep, this will be the common right-wing media theme throughout 2021.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
My experience of office work:

"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"
"Have you got a minute?"

My experience of home working:

*blissful silence*

I know which one I prefer.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Being repeatedly held up by vague, unfocused people faffing around helplessly in whatever bit of the shop you need to be in is central to the supermarket experience. They're the retail equivalent of those country roads where there's always someone doing 20 under the limit in front of you and touching their brakes every time they see a car on the other side of the road and there's no safe spot to overtake them.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Not our independent deterrent!!

Actually, losing our 'independent' nuclear weapons because the US decided it wasn't going to supply or support them any more would cause some hilarious cognitive dissonance among the flag-waving sector of the population.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

So what happens in 2 weeks? Will we see the boris government toppled if they can't negotiate a trade deal?

There's a rare Unherd article (rare in that it doesn't immediately make you want to claw your eyes out for reading it) that points out that Boris Johnson is actually doing pretty well. His electoral coalition is holding together, the Tories are polling unusually strongly for a parry that's been in office so long, Johnson's personal ratings are improving and Keir Starmer has failed to provide a strong and visible alternative political offer.

https://unherd.com/2020/12/why-boris-is-still-beating-labour/



quote:

Some will say that nobody outside of SW1 really knows who Keir Starmer is, or what he believes. And I do think that in our heart of hearts we all know that there is something missing — there is just not much charisma, much va-va-voom. 

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
NHS rivalries:

Doctors/ nurses
Psychologists/ psychiatrists
Midwives/ Obstetricians

...

Pharmacists/ clinical scientists!?

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
In funnier news:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/11/starmer-urged-to-start-cooperating-with-lib-dems-if-he-wants-labour-to-win

quote:

Keir Starmer is being urged to lay the groundwork for cooperating with the Liberal Democrats and Greens at the next general election, by MPs and campaigners who argue the party will struggle to win a majority alone.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The Guardian puts a lot of effort into selling its image as a fair-minded, progressive and all round decent newspaper. The shine comes off as soon as you start to dig in to how it actually works and what it actually does but most people don't do that.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
When Rod Liddle joined Labour, it was probably the Tony Blair, Sensible Centrist Establishment version of Labour that he joined.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
To what extent do you think that Corbyn's Peace and Justice movement is a warning shot across Starmer's bows? I was just thinking what an obvious potential nucleus for a new left-wing party it is and whether that's a deliberate thing.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

therattle posted:

I am still baffled as to why they went so strongly anti-Corbyn, as I now recognise they did.


The Guardian's gimmick is earnestly calling for reform, while secretly being perfectly content with the status quo. They were visibly horrified when Corbyn popped up all eager to actually muck in and start changing stuff.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

cant cook creole bream posted:

When will we officially know that any chance of a Brexit deal is over? January first? They seem to keep extending that final deadline.

Eh, it'll happen one way or the other, although we may need a few weeks of no-deal chaos to concentrate people's minds sufficiently first. Here's a good FT article explaining why there'll be a deal at the end of all this:

The Financial Times posted:

And so we stumble onwards. The extension of trade talks between the EU and the UK should not be a surprise. For all Boris Johnson’s bravado about “prospering mightily”, the British prime minister knows that a “no deal” Brexit would be disastrous for the country. The EU would also suffer, but not nearly as much. So there will probably be a deal struck before the end of the year; if not, soon afterwards.

When an agreement is reached, it will largely be on Europe’s terms. The EU will doubtless makes some concessions on fisheries as part of last-minute haggling. But Britain will have to agree to the EU’s central demand, which is that there must be “level-playing field” rules — ensuring that the UK cannot undercut EU regulations on competition at will.

The reason that the deal will be done on the EU’s terms is the same reason why the whole Brexit process has been so painful for Britain — a fundamental asymmetry in power between the two sides. Britain sends 43 per cent of its exports to the EU; Germany, France and Italy all send around 6 per cent of their exports to Britain. The population of the UK is nearly 67m; that of the EU is 447m. Even without Britain, the EU has a single market comparable in size to that of the US or China.

Mr Johnson insists that the UK and the EU are “sovereign equals”. But, as long as the EU maintains its unity, they are not equals in terms of power. And that is what has mattered in these negotiations. It is why Britain has made a series of painful concessions over the past four years — most notably by agreeing to a separate status for Northern Ireland, which will see customs checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea, effectively dividing the United Kingdom.

The British have always insisted there is a win-win deal that Brussels and London should both happily embrace. But they have failed to understand how the EU sees its own interests. The integrity and attractiveness of the European single market is the EU’s single most important strategic asset. Brussels is determined not to undermine that strength, by allowing the UK market access on terms that are too advantageous.

The Europeans also need to demonstrate to Eurosceptic forces within their own countries that leaving the EU is a bad idea. So they have always been much less sold on the idea that there can be a “win-win” outcome from Brexit.

Once the Europeans had decided that it was not in their interests to grant Britain the easy access to the single market that Mr Johnson had breezily promised to UK voters, relative power became crucial. Unfortunately, Britain’s Leavers have consistently overestimated Britain’s power — believing that the EU was about to fold or make concessions that never materialised.

Why did Britain make this mistake? Partly because Leavers have placed far too much faith in the fact that the EU enjoys a large trade surplus with the UK. They have forgotten that, on a global scale, Britain is only one market among many. For years, the British have been waiting for the German carmakers to arrive over the horizon — like Gebhard Leberecht von Blucher at Waterloo — and save the day. We are still waiting. Reduced access to the British market would be painful for German carmakers — but not so painful that it is worth undermining the integrity of the EU single market.

More broadly, Britain’s Leavers were guilty of swallowing their own propaganda. For decades, the belief that the EU (and/or the euro) is on the point of collapse has been a staple of British Eurosceptic discourse. A generation brought up on tales of British military victories over Germany and France finds it hard to envisage that “if it comes to it”, Britain will not ultimately prevail over those flaky Europeans.

This kind of jingoism was epitomised by the recent remark by Gavin Williamson, Britain’s education secretary, that we’re “a much better country than every single one of them”. This is the same man, who as defence secretary, once told the Russians to “shut up and go away”.

As their illusions have been stripped away, Brexiters have resorted to complaining that the EU is treating Britain unfairly. But students of international relations and trade negotiations could have pointed out to them that relying on the kindness of other countries is not a sound strategy. Nations, Britain included, look out for their own interests first.

Horror at the weakness of Britain’s position has led to an outbreak of xenophobia and empty bluster. One British newspaper this weekend, quoting an unnamed government minister, shouted — “Merkel wants Britain to crawl across broken glass”.

The previous day, the same paper’s headline had screamed — “We’ll send in Gunboats”. The obvious response to that is — and then what? Confronting French fishermen with military force invites non-military retaliation from the whole of the EU — which brings Britain back to that awkward asymmetry in power.

In the two world wars — which have done so much to frame Brexiter thinking — the UK prevailed with the help of America. But the Biden administration will not ride to Britain’s rescue in a confrontation with the EU. A no-deal Brexit would result in not-very-splendid isolation. That is why a deal, largely on the EU’s terms, is by far the likeliest outcome.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Eat the broccoli, Owlfancier!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Bone Crimes posted:

That latter group I understand (clear US parallels), but its the middle group (It will be sorted by Boris in 2020) group that I just don't get. Ah well. I guess I'll join in the popcorn crew watching the destruction?

It's been the last day to avert a disastrous no-deal Brexit every day for the past few years now and everyone's just grown numb to it.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
I'd also suggest stocking up on basic toiletries. You hear plenty of people worrying about having no pasta; rather fewer worrying about having no deoderant.

I mean, it sounds petty compared to other stuff but you'll miss it if you run out.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
You'll regret that comment when you're bidding £50 for that last can of Brut on sale on Ebay.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

OwlFancier posted:

How can you say the people of the british isles are not free spirited.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1339133185490345985

He's lucky to be alive - I looked on the map and it's like, 30 miles across open ocean (and shipping lanes). I didn't know jet skis had that much petrol!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Oh, I'm sure it's real enough, it's just not the reason why they're now frantically tightening the rules up.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jose posted:

volunteering to do covid vaccines so i can give myself a mega dose instead

Like an old fashioned comic where the greedy kid eats all the pies, except the other volunteers come into the room to find Jose sat happily on the floor with 100 hypodermics stuck in him. "Thanks guys, that box of vaccinations was deee-licious!"

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
I'd already told my parents I'd be staying home this Xmas, 'cos I knew this was going to happen.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Eh, I think a lot of people are incredibly miserable right now and have been clinging on to Xmas as something to look forward to at the end of the year. Having even that suddenly yanked away at the last minute is hugely upsetting for them.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
My own feeling is there's no point stocking more than a few week's worth of emergency supplies - in any situation where the food supply chain breaks down for longer than that, we'd be into Mad Max territory anyway and you'd be better off putting the energy into designing your bondage leather Raider outfit.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Is all this 'panic buying' honestly any different to a normal Xmas? I seem to remember you get idiots franticly stocking up on bread, eggs and milk every year to fend off the disaster of all the shops being closed for one day.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

crispix posted:

sir queef came on my tv set last night and he is still putting up little signs that say "A NEW LEADERSHIP" all around


Every Starmer interview seems to go like this:

Interviewer: "Labour are poo poo, aren't they."

Starmer: "Why yes, Labour are poo poo and I'm most dreadfully sorry about that. I can only promise that, under my leadership, the party will be far more bland and undemanding in the future."

Really whips up public enthusiasm for getting out there and voting Labour.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jose posted:

who the gently caress is his speech writer lmao

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1340979817374728192?s=20

The guy in the other Tweet you posted described his speech as being full of empty platitudes and yep.

It comes off as being a bit cargo culty: a strong successful leader would give a speech on the Union at this point in their leadership, so Starmer had better do that. Who cares if its meaningless and rather annoys the people who its supposedly aimed at: a Speech has been Made and that's what matters.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jose posted:

when you've definintely not lost so many members you're realising you've poo poo the bed

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1341025218257702912?s=20

It's so lame and uninspiring I'm back to wondering if they're doing it all on purpose.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

goddamnedtwisto posted:

mint Matchmakers

I normally only eat those once a year, after xmas dinner and then wish that I hadn't.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Comrade Fakename posted:

It’s pretty funny how all the papers are praising Boris even though they have no idea what the deal is, because it’s obvious they’re just patronising him into not destroying the country (and more importantly its ability to sustain newspapers).

E: “Disco Elysium is bad, actually”, one of the all-time worst takes in the thread.

They'd probably been briefed to announce it this morning, as an Xmas eve boost for Boris but it's been delayed again, so they're having to work with what they've got.

After having it sat in my Steam library for a couple of years, I'm finally playing The Forest. It's suprisingly fun but the dark caves are too scary for me :(

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Merry Christmas! I am having slow cooked beef stew with dumplings today. I reject the tyranny of Xmas roasts.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Just Another Lurker posted:


I just finished this bottle of Baileys. :neckbeard:

I refuse to believe Baileys has existed since the 1990's.

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