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seiferguy posted:Well, we still don't know how good he is, so let's hold off on any praise of Hurts! Yeah I mean I can't say anything about how good Hurts is, but the decision to draft a QB in the 2nd round Diva Cupcake posted:Now do Jalen Reagor. 
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considering Wentz' franchise-crippling contract I'd probably can Pederson first. you've gotta at least try to fix the guy you're married to for the next three years
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Hurts is going to tear it up for a season then in a shock move Tua is going to get traded to the Eagles and replace him as the starter then get hurt only for Hurts to lead them to the Super Bowl. Tua will then retake the starting job and Hurts will leave for...hmm who is the Oklahoma of the NFL...the...Saints?
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https://twitter.com/espn/status/1336366365997998083?s=19 Happy birthday king
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Jalen was 5 for 12, 109 yds 1td and 1int against a prevent defense. Wentz might be bad, but the eagles offensive line is horrendous and they have no WRs. That team is doomed.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Both are another natural disaster away from improving? Well, I was just trying to think of a team with a bunch of offense and bad defense, but yours works too. And before anyone yells at me I know the Saints have had some decent defenses recently, it was just a bad joke ok!
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adaz posted:Jalen was 5 for 12, 109 yds 1td and 1int against a prevent defense. Saints defense gonna make him look like mahomes
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Big words to the guy who’s not winning DROTY.
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adaz posted:Jalen was 5 for 12, 109 yds 1td and 1int against a prevent defense. Jalen seems okay, and clearly an upgrade over Wentz. But his arm strength looks weak af. No zip on those downfield balls and good dbs are gonna feast.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Jalen seems okay, and clearly an upgrade over Wentz. This is all that matters for now. I don't think he's going to work out long term either, but by playing him and having him suck you at least know what you have to work with. You already know what you don't or no longer have in Wentz. The team did seem to perk up when Hurts came in too, so it's not like they didn't see what was going on. Wentz is fascinating to me. We can argue whether he was ever any good and all, but he was never this damned awful. It's crazy, he can't do the simplest things anymore, and he could at least do that before.
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Grittybeard posted:This is all that matters for now. Wonder if he never really recovered from that ACL. We take it for granted that everyone is going to come back from those injuries but there's no guarantee.
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According to Steven Ruiz he's never been that good! https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/12/carson-wentz-philadelphia-eagles-struggles-2017-mvp-season-analysis
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Wonder if he never really recovered from that ACL. We take it for granted that everyone is going to come back from those injuries but there's no guarantee. It’s all just penis envy. Wentz is 
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The Eagles beat writer is very optimistic. But that response is  (The OP was the person who thought he could hit a home run in the MLB)https://twitter.com/HaydenWinks/status/1336409256166187009?s=19
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AndrewP posted:According to Steven Ruiz he's never been that good! This is true
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Wonder if he never really recovered from that ACL.
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I think y'all are reading way too much into his injury and not enough into the fact his entire offensive line is backup or dudes playing on broken bones and no WRs worth anything. To me wentz looks like someone trying to constantly make something out of nothing which often makes QBs look awful. Wentz might just be a Dalton type QB (.. or Goff) in that if you dont give him a decent infrastructure he's going to suck real, real bad
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I think the back injury he had was likely a much bigger deal than the ACL
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Penisaurus Sex posted:I think the back injury he had was likely a much bigger deal than the ACL He has taken 50 sacks this year, starting Jalen might legitimately just be to prevent him from breaking Derek Carr's previously thought to be unbreakable record
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He still had a ways to go to break the team record, which was Randall Cunningham taking 72 sacks in 1986 (Plus other seasons with 60 and 57!). gently caress it, put Wentz back in and go for 80!
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Grittybeard posted:This is all that matters for now.  with this and thisImpossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Wonder if he never really recovered from that ACL. We take it for granted that everyone is going to come back from those injuries but there's no guarantee.
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fartknocker posted:He still had a ways to go to break the team record, which was Randall Cunningham taking 72 sacks in 1986 (Plus other seasons with 60 and 57!).
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adaz posted:I think y'all are reading way too much into his injury and not enough into the fact his entire offensive line is backup or dudes playing on broken bones and no WRs worth anything. To me wentz looks like someone trying to constantly make something out of nothing which often makes QBs look awful. Wentz might just be a Dalton type QB (.. or Goff) in that if you dont give him a decent infrastructure he's going to suck real, real bad  Also, Howie sucks at drafting
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Anyone who says that Wentz just needs a better supporting cast should read this article: https://theathletic.com/2179638/2020/11/10/carson-wentz-stunning-decline-philadelphia-eagles/?access_token=1803196 (Yes its paywalled, buy a sub to the athletic you cheapos) Basically, yeah his supporting cast isn't great, but: 1. His internal timing in the pocket that made him great is awful now 2. His accuracy on easy throws is down, reflecting an issue in mechanics 3. He averaged over 50% completion on deep balls the last 3 years, he's at 40% this year 4. His average time to throw is going up, meaning that he's more responsible for his sacks than merely blaming the line. 5. He used to be decent against a blitz, this year he is awful. 6. He was throwing into tight windows more often in 2017 with greater success. He throws into tight windows less now, because he's not as successful. To me, he's playing shook. He doesn't trust himself or his receivers, so he's holding on to the ball longer, making bad throws, and the only throws he can really get are checkdowns. He probably needs a sports psychologist in the off-season to help build up trust in himself.
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seiferguy posted:Anyone who says that Wentz just needs a better supporting cast should read this article: lol Wentz pulled a kaepernick (getting completely, irreparably shellshocked when his top-ten line fell apart)
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He's reminding me a lot of how RG3 just fell to pieces mentally after coming back from injury.
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Wentz has been shook since big dick nick won the sb in his place and drafting Jalen ruined what was left
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seiferguy posted:Anyone who says that Wentz just needs a better supporting cast should read this article: His development is stunted by utter lack of organizational support. His GM can't draft, his strength and conditioning staff is approaching Chargers level of constant injury, his playcaller is acting like the oline is as good as 3 years ago (but is actually a sieve), his defense aged out and/or left in FA giving him little support, the fanbase never stops making GBS threads on him, so consequently he's trying to do way too much. The comment on his WRs is way too understated -- they are flat-out bad. Of course he regressed
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D-LINK posted:His development is stunted by utter lack of organizational support. His GM can't draft, his strength and conditioning staff is approaching Chargers level of constant injury, his playcaller is acting like the oline is as good as 3 years ago (but is actually a sieve), his defense aged out and/or left in FA giving him little support, the fanbase never stops making GBS threads on him, so consequently he's trying to do way too much. The comment on his WRs is way too understated -- they are flat-out bad. I agree with all of this, but there's regression and being on a bad team. And then there's being in the conversation about whether you're the worst quarterback in the league with Drew Lock. He sucks, it's understandable why he sucks. A lot went into it, it's not all his fault! But man in the end he just really sucks. He's not normal bad and something you imagine is going to work out if other things improve, he's freaking terrible.
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The problem is regression seems to be a one way street. Bad QBs can improve but ones a QB breaks they never seem to recover
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Hot Diggity! posted:Gonna be max 500 people for the remainder of the regular season for the Packers that's like 1100 though if you go by BMI.
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