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Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Hello Milhist thread. Is there anything I can read, or watch, or look at, to get a sense of how a "front line" in war actually looks? On a map it's just a line but obviously the troops aren't standing shoulder to shoulder in a big wall across the front.

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Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Thomamelas posted:

There there a particular war you have interest in? Different wars and even different theaters in a war may result in different experiences. If you're trying to get a feel for the day to day experience of war, then memoirs will be the way to go. Poilu is a thread favorite. There are collections like The Unwomanly Face of War which is about the experience of Soviet women serving on the front lines in WWII. Generation Kill was written by a reported embedded with a Marine unit during the invasion of Iraq.

I was wondering in the context of the eastern front of ww2.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Cyrano4747 posted:

That's the Battle of Hougoumont. You'll also see it called an "action" a "defense" etc. The tl;dr is that it was the focal point of the attacks on the British right flank. It was a chateau that wellington used to anchor that side of his line by basically turning it into a little fort. You couldn't attack the center without taking fire from the chateau, and assaulting the chateau would be a loving chore.

In the end, the French assaulted it with the idea of drawing Wellington's reinforcements there and then hitting his left flank. It was a grinding bloodbath for most of the day, including poo poo like French assault teams breaching the walls wielding axes, the british locking the door behind them, and then being exterminated in brutal hand to hand fighting. Reading accounts of it sounds more like something out of Verdun than anything else.

Why didn't they flatten it with artillery?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Marshall was never in operational command of any US forces. The chain went directly from the President to each theater commander in chief iirc.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Is there any historical evidence to suggest that universal conscription keeps the military more integrated with civil society, while volunteer-only militaries become a class apart? It's a claim I've seen thrown around sometimes.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

I've read that people in the south sometimes used okra as a coffee substitute. At some point I'd like to try that myself

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Are the technical drawings and other pieces of information required to build WW2 era hardware still classified? For example the Sherman

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

What's the earliest recorded use of a balloon or other aircraft for war purposes?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Do mainstream US historians still mostly paint the US as "good guys" in the cold war

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Tulip posted:

Depends on your notion of "most" and "mainstream."

Well PittTheElder gave the example of timeghost's treatment of the cold war. That's what I would consider mainstream. And for most, let's say 3/4ths?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

One imagines desire to kill the enemy in war is not the same as a desire to kill members of the general population

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Tell me about Tilly at Magdeburg and how his army got apocalyptically out of control, that sounds metal

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

What colors did the Soviet military use to denote friendly and enemy forces on maps and wargames?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Tbf he does a pretty spot on impression

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Did the allies treat SS troops they captured differently to Wehrmacht troops? I know postwar the entire SS was declared a criminal organization and that had extra consequences for its members that the Wehrmacht dodged. But what about during the war?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Saint Celestine posted:

Which allies specifically? An SS man would not be having a good time on the Eastern front.

I'd like to know about both the west and the USSR

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

And what of earlier in the war before the camps were discovered? I imagine in the east SS were still recognized because of what the einsatzgruppen did, but what about the west?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

I cant imagine zigzagging would do much anyway considering how far the flak gun is from the bomber, the angle would be tiny. It reminds me of the scene in generation kill where the reporter runs in a zigzag and everyone looks at him like he's suicidal

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

It's actually a form of takeoff assist for short runways. Gives you a nice boost into the air

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Lol if you haven't read the books

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Why did the british send the parachute regiment to northern ireland? As opposed to a mechanized unit or something.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Don't forget that Eastern Poland in the 30s is now part of Belarus. Probably has even fewer indoor toilets than modern eastern Poland

E: Re: British cringe

Yaoi Gagarin fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jan 8, 2022

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

In the period between the fall of Poland the and the start of the German invasion of the low countries, what were french and British military planners up to? How did they intend to win the war

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Alchenar posted:

Also it was assumed to take two years to gear up manufacturing and produce the war material necessary to defeat Germany on the ground, as well as train up the divisions that would do the work.

By 1938 it is the correct war plan because it is the only viable option. I disagree that planners were complacent about the fall of Poland, plently of contemporary accounts from British and French army officers make it plain that they know they aren't 'fighting fit' and the Germans are and that this is a massive problem for them. You probably have to go all the way back to 1933 and have Britain/France match German rearmament step-for-step for a different plan to make sense.

IIRC Jodl said that during the invasion of Poland the Germans had very few divisions on the west and that if the French had attacked they would have won. Was that a load of bull?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

What is the furthest distance two fireteams doing fire and maneuver should be from each other?

E: side question, not really history but for the tanker vets - are gunnery drills fun or do you do them so much they just feel like work?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Weka posted:

When did the USA's military change it's policy of not torturing prisoners for information?

Flip of the question, when did torture stop being ok?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Weka posted:



I'm pretty sure they would have tortured the heck out of nazis if they thought it would get results, I'm coming at this from the angle of accepted best practice for gaining information.

Sure, it just made me realize that at some point in history it was totally cool and accepted to torture people and at some point that stopped.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

I've been trying to figure out why the Abrams is designated M1 and the bradley M2/M3 instead of following the M60


The M60 is called: Tank, Combat, Full Tracked: 105-mm Gun, M60

And the original Abrams is: Tank, Combat, Full-tracked, 105-mm gun, M1

Why did the number go back to 1?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

One would think the country that invented the Dewey decimal system would be better at numbering things

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

fartknocker posted:

Don’t forget the M1 Carbine and M1 Submachine Gun!

For insane numbering schemes, some the Air Corps/Navy ones for aircraft are just :psyduck: when you are first trying to learn some stuff.

The aircraft numbering is extra hosed because in 1962 they unified the separate Navy and air force numbering and reset the numbers which is why we went from the f-100s back to f4. But then they used old numbering for the ah-64 and the f-117, decades later.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

This sounds like they effectively paid for things by printing money, just their occupied countries money instead of their own

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

The ATF didn't exist back then so who would have stopped you from importing any gun you want, anyway

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

How did the process for firing captains go? It seems bizarre to fire them for using tactics that had already been developed, especially if they were still getting kills. Did the Navy at least send out instructions telling them to be more aggressive or was it a complete surprise? And what was the point of demanding aggressiveness anyway?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Speaking of horses, what did the allies do with german horses they captured?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Alchenar posted:

Yeah the problem with Vietnam was the same as in Afghanistan - if your war goal is to prop up a client regime and the client regime knows this, it has very little incentive to reform. In fact it often has negative incentives to never become able to stand on it's own feet because then your subsidies might go away.

Means-tested foreign military aid

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

im a very large percentage of the available military population

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

An odd question, but something I've been pondering: was the steel from exploded allied bomb fragments of any value at all to the germans? Or the drop tanks of allied fighters?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Maybe its more like the crew can survive that long but they wont be combat effective? Can the driver even push the pedals if he's been in his chair for 3 days?

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014


He did nail the occupation length at least.

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Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

MikeCrotch posted:

Fun fact: a very real and dangerous risk of recumbent bicycles is "thigh suck"

Care to explain? All I get on Google is porn and liposuction

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