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Smith absolutely deserves it, so it'll go to Brady for overcoming the terrible hardship of having to change teams.
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How did Josh allen go from not being able to hit the broad side of a barn in college to this
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Mr. Carrier Pigeon posted:Things Alex Smith has done since he last played: And his top receiver only having like two catches.
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Can someone post that graphic from the beginning of the game that had Roethlisberger with 9 TDs and 250 interceptions against the NFC east this year.
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whos that broooown posted:Can someone post that graphic from the beginning of the game that had Roethlisberger with 9 TDs and 250 interceptions against the NFC east this year. https://twitter.com/pff/status/1336074494381789185?s=21
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I would give so much for QBR to start getting expressed in confusing fractions
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Hot Diggity! posted:??? hey, we also had Titus Young before/during his tragic breakdown
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Season? It says right there he did it in three games
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Intruder posted:Season? It says right there he did it in three games yeah he's thrown 250 interceptions this season but only in games against the NFC East, it's quite peculiar
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Kirios posted:Washington looks like a completely different team with Alex Smith quarterbacking them. They may be...decent? Good even? I cannot believe how good Alex Smith looked. His leg man, his leg.
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OxySnake posted:Alex Smith is gonna be the easy answer to "Who was your favorite player that everyone has forgotten about" in 10 years He really managed to dig himself into the carson palmer zone of first overall pick, called a bust, but then crawled through the muck long enough to absolutely not be a bust in the grand sense.
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drat those are Favre levels of funslinging.
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mastershakeman posted:How did Josh allen go from not being able to hit the broad side of a barn in college to this gonna guess the caliber of positional coaching at the University of Wyoming was not elite nor before that at the podunk central valley high school Allen went to
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to follow up, i think people forget the huge disparity in the amount of coaching and preparation players might receive during their amateur years pro scouts presumably do think about it and take it into account when considering which "project players" might be worthwhile let's say QB #1 went to a giant suburban high school with 6,000 students and a football budget bigger than those of certain Division II colleges, flew all over the country going to positional training camps run by former pros, might've even have had a private QB tutor, then played at a power-5 college with infinite resources now let's say QB #2 is from some grain elevator town where the high school's main concern is trying to cut their teen pregnancy rate down to 20%, never even heard of a dang QB camp, and played college ball at a nowhere school in a conference that was invented in the 1960s as a prank to annoy W.A. Criswell. if QB #1 is still pretty raw, pro scout probably sees him and thinks "man this kid's a dipshit" if QB #2 is still pretty raw, pro scout might think "hey we can work with this" PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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PupsOfWar posted:let's say QB #1 went to a giant suburban high school with 6,000 students and a football budget bigger than those of certain Division II colleges, flew all over the country going to positional training camps run by former pros, might've even have had a private QB tutor, then played at a power-5 college with infinite resources I was going to say the college recruiters are generally pretty good at finding guys who are built like a tank, run well and can throw the ball a mile. Looking up Allen's wiki page (which I question whether it's understandably sympathetic to him but whatever) that doesn't appear to be the case. But either way, we should all apparently be watching the chaos that is California JuCo football. quote:In his only season with Reedley College, Allen led an offense that averaged 452.2 yards of total offense per game to rank No. 9 among all California junior-college teams in total offense. Reedley averaged 285.3 passing yards per game to rank No. 7 among all California junior colleges, scored 39.4 points per game to rank No. 10 in the state, and averaged 166.9 yards rushing to rank 26th. I feel I have bolded half of what would be hilarious to watch in an offense only football game and they were barely top 10 in state.
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Now it’s even weirder to me that all it took to unlock Josh Allen’s true potential was Brian Daboll
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It was so .... odd (and amazing) watching Josh Allen calmly shred that Niners defense.
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I didn't mean to be a TFF trendsetter by unironically liking Alex Smith but here were are.
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WalletBeef posted:It was so .... odd (and amazing) watching Josh Allen calmly shred that Niners defense. is that really the niners defense? at this point it's richard sherman and 10 guys named steve
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Yeah isn’t the 49ers D as dead as the offense
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah isn’t the 49ers D as dead as the offense Slightly less so in raw numbers IIRC, but missing George Kittle and Jimmy G is still big.
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fartknocker posted:Slightly less so in raw numbers IIRC, but missing George Kittle and Jimmy G is still big. They're the offense. The Niners' D hasn't been a healthy unit all season what with Nick Bosa out and Richard Sherman missing until last week and a bunch of other guys missing various games too. They're way better now but even the best defense in the league can't do poo poo if the offense is mostly DOA.
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Lmao just saw the Washington Football Team news.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lmao just saw the Washington Football Team news. 
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Sheen Sheen posted:Now it’s even weirder to me that all it took to unlock Josh Allen’s true potential was Brian Daboll Not only that the Bills have no history of QB development. Even Jim Kelly was already really good when they got him. He was drafted under a coach who started Peterman on at least 2 separate occasions and doesn't know poo poo about Offense. I think most of this is Allen himself though. He started off like a level 1 JRPG character who couldn't hit a slime.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I didn't mean to be a TFF trendsetter by unironically liking Alex Smith but here were are. Were you the one with the Alex Smith Super Genius avatar or whatever it was? I still think of that and I really don’t know why
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pasaluki posted:Not only that the Bills have no history of QB development. Even Jim Kelly was already really good when they got him. Yeah if green bay or kansas city had developed allen I wouldn't be surprised. But this is loving buffalo, with worse qbs than the bears for almost two decades
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I've always kinda thought the amount that coaches contribute to QB development is overrated and leads to bad assumptions. It's how you end up with fans thinking "we can't get rid of Lynn, look how great he's developed Herbert!" This, despite the fact that there was practically no offseason, Herbert was thrust into the starting role unexpectedly and was immediately good. Yes there are awful coaches like Gase who put his players into terrible situations, but those are the extremes. I think the NFL is so opaque we really can never know for sure who is responsible for a player's growth. Maybe it's the HC, maybe it's the OC, maybe it's the QB coach, who the gently caress knows. My guess it it's mostly the player putting in the work and learning from his experience. Is Mahomes really great because he's coached by Andy Reid? Or is it because he's an extremely gifted passer on a team with elite weapons? My guess is it's the latter.
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Dec 8, 2020 18:04
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It's Pep Hamilton, not Lynn
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Is Mahomes really great because he's coached by Andy Reid? Or is it because he's an extremely gifted passer on a team with elite weapons? My guess is it's the latter. it's all three - big accurate arm, elite weapons, offensive genius coach
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I've always kinda thought the amount that coaches contribute to QB development is overrated and leads to bad assumptions. It's how you end up with fans thinking "we can't get rid of Lynn, look how great he's developed Herbert!" This, despite the fact that there was practically no offseason, Herbert was thrust into the starting role unexpectedly and was immediately good. Yes there are awful coaches like Gase who put his players into terrible situations, but those are the extremes. I think the NFL is so opaque we really can never know for sure who is responsible for a player's growth. Maybe it's the HC, maybe it's the OC, maybe it's the QB coach, who the gently caress knows. My guess it it's mostly the player putting in the work and learning from his experience. Is Mahomes really great because he's coached by Andy Reid? Or is it because he's an extremely gifted passer on a team with elite weapons? My guess is it's the latter. Look at the difference in Jared Goff in going from Jeff Fisher to Sean McVay. Granted that is one extreme end of the spectrum to the other, but Jeff Fisher still ran offense like it was 1960 and likely didn't know dick about what it takes to make a QB good a neat cape posted:It's Pep Hamilton, not Lynn He molded Andrew Luck too Nodoze fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Or the guys who are stuck on teams with revolving doors at HC or OC. Having to learn and play in totally different systems every year can have a huge effect. Alex Smith during his early years with the 49ers is the prime example of this, where he literally had a new OC each season until Harbaugh. Another one is look at the massive fall Matt Ryan and the Falcons took after Kyle Shanahan left, even though they still had mostly the same players and still ran a kinda-sorta similar system.
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Yes obviously a HC who runs an antiquated offense (Fisher) or one that creates lousy match ups and features overly conservative plays (Gase) are obviously not going to help a rookie QB. That is clear. But that doesn't mean the next coach through the door is Yoda. I mean do you really think McVay is the boy genius that he's been anointed? Or is he just a guy running an aggressive modern pass attack that is taking advantage of the roster he has. Nodoze posted:
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Best educated guess via the fact that Lynn is a RB coach, Pep has done this before with other quarterbacks, and is who Herbert spends most of his time with
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a neat cape posted:Best educated guess via the fact that Lynn is a RB coach, Pep has done this before with other quarterbacks, and is who Herbert spends most of his time with You mean Andrew Luck? He was the consensus #1 overall and called a "generational" draft pick, a title he never really lived up to even before all the injuries and retirement. And Pep joined the Colts in Luck's 2nd year and was fired by after three because of the offense's poor performance.
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Luck lived up to the hype though, he was just sacked 60 times a season and it slowly broke him.
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