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Was giving the handkerchief to Ali (the ghost, not the bookshop owner) optional? I could have sworn you needed to do that so he'd tell you about the secret passage behind the armor.
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Jan 20, 2021 02:56
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It wouldn't be an adventure game castle if it didn't have secret corridors. 
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Snorb posted:Was giving the handkerchief to Ali (the ghost, not the bookshop owner) optional? I could have sworn you needed to do that so he'd tell you about the secret passage behind the armor. I remember being convinced my first time making it this far that the handkerchief was supposed to go to the book shop owner and spent far too long trying to figure out how to make it work. Stupid game designers thinking two people are allowed to have the same name...
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Snorb posted:Was giving the handkerchief to Ali (the ghost, not the bookshop owner) optional? I could have sworn you needed to do that so he'd tell you about the secret passage behind the armor. It is not optional, and if for some reason you can't figure out that you need to give the ghost kid the ghost mom's handkerchief his crying will eventually draw the guards. Trying to bother the suit of armor doesn't work otherwise. edit: Apparently you can give the mint to the man in black before you fake your death, and he stumbles off wasted. Not sure if that makes him gently caress off permanently and puts you in an awkward position re: endgame. He might come back after awhile but I'm too lazy to keep walking around waiting to test it. Guildenstern Mother fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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Jan 21, 2021 21:43
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Two things that interested me about this part of the game: When Alexander asks Cassima if she got his ring, she looks down for a second, blushing, which I thought was a nice touch. (I always took that to mean she's wearing it.) Also, even if you have the game set to voices only, "Inside the ebony box is a piece of paper with the word ZEBU written on it." always pops up a text box (presumably so you the player know how to spell it when it comes time to open the door.)
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Jan 21, 2021 22:51
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This game is pretty engrossing, I'd have loved to have had it to play as a child. Sure hope Cassima gets to ching the vizier with that dagger.
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Jan 21, 2021 23:05
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I admit to forgetting whether Shadrack comes up in a later King's Quest game, it would be interesting if he did.
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Jan 21, 2021 23:32
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PurpleXVI posted:I admit to forgetting whether Shadrack comes up in a later King's Quest game, it would be interesting if he did. The KQ2 remake devs tried to take the plot point about "The Society of the Black Cloak" and stretch it so that its members include every evil sorcerer a member of the Daventry Royal Family meets. That includes the gingerbread witch and Hagatha from the first two KQ games. Also fun fact: Cassima's italicized dialogue in the update up above is stuff she can actually say if the circumstances of meeting her are different! There's also alternate dialogue for walking past her crying hole in the wall and getting Abdul's letter first. Though it's just shock and then anger and then "you should hold onto this it looks important."
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Jan 21, 2021 23:55
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Real smart of the bad guy to just write out all of his evil deeds.
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Jan 22, 2021 00:41
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Even without him writing all his evil deeds, the stolen treasures in a room that only he knows how to get in to is uh, pretty damning.
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Jan 22, 2021 00:53
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Someone remind me where we figured out the ALI half of ALI ZEBU?
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Jan 22, 2021 01:57
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While eavesdropping on the guard dogs:
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DoubleNegative posted:The KQ2 remake devs tried to take the plot point about "The Society of the Black Cloak" and stretch it so that its members include every evil sorcerer a member of the Daventry Royal Family meets. That includes the gingerbread witch and Hagatha from the first two KQ games. Kind of makes me wonder if they were going for something like W.I.T from qfg2
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Outpost22 posted:Real smart of the bad guy to just write out all of his evil deeds. Alhazred is just a real stickler for decorum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBdGOrcUEg8
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This is going back a few updates but I really like how they handled the "make the Lord of the Dead cry" scenario. It would've been easy to have Alexander use the power of love, or some kind of silly "cheat", to force a tear out of the LotD. The earlier games did that a lot (KQV is the worst offender, but even back in KQ1 one way to defeat the giant is to run in circles until he gets tired). Even KQVI has done that at times -- our victory over the minotaur was straight-up Looney Tunes. But here they found a solution that preserved the drama instead of undercutting it. Alexander didn't make a moving speech, or cut up an onion, or cast a spell that makes people sad, or bore him to tears, or throw a pie at him, or anything that would have trivialized the victory. No, Alexander made the Lord of the Dead take a good, long look at himself in the mirror of Truth. It fits that that would work. It fits that nobody had ever done it before. And it makes Alexander feel like an actual heroic figure, instead of someone who just bumbled his way to victory.
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It does, while the Isle of Wonders fits the early KQ aesthetics the most, the labyrinthe is peak actual game play of the early games - deadman walking, needing to map out your location, false solutions, and an illogical looney tunes way of defeating the enemy. Keeping the entire sequence of the Underworld sequence serious save for playing the bones really sells both how Alexander really comes in as a hero, and the using of the mirror of truth has a kind of classic mythological/fairy tale air.
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Oh man, I loved this game when I was younger. I managed to beat it, but I can't remember if I had to dig up some hints somewhere to do so. Probably. Fun fact, KQ6 came out right around the dawn of sound cards. The floppy disk version just had text, but Sierra released a CD ROM version that had the full voiced speech. It's hard to explain how mind-blowing this was back in the day.
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Enos Shenk posted:Fun fact, KQ6 came out right around the dawn of sound cards. The floppy disk version just had text, but Sierra released a CD ROM version that had the full voiced speech. It's hard to explain how mind-blowing this was back in the day. King's Quest V did that first, though. I don't know how many people actually bought the floppy version of VI, because CD-ROMs were so ubiquitous by then.
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The narration also really helped sell the lord of the dead sequence. It has the right amount of intensity for what he saw in the mirror.
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The background spirits reactions were a bit over the top, that was the only flaw.
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that happens a couple times throughout the game, it seems like they just got people at the office to record lines and that always seems kind of weird when the main actors were still voicing multiple characters. ah well, was just that time in gaming history, sort of like how in System Shock all the audio logs are just employees reading them with, like, zero direction whatsoever
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and still better than V's where there's zero professionals, and you end up with some bizarre line readings A POI-sonous snake anyone?
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Aces High posted:ah well, was just that time in gaming history, sort of like how in System Shock all the audio logs are just employees reading them with, like, zero direction whatsoever I guess some wanted to improvise a bit then as a result. I still think Bronson's final message is really well executed despite that.
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Maybe the system shock 1 logs weren't given any direction but either the SS2 ones were or they had some phenomenally talented voice actors. Though ironically, SS1's voice logs having no direction actually helps in a few places. When the counterterrorism officer who contacts you sounds like she's reading off a script, it kinda works: the impression you get is that your only support is some admin in an office who's following a bunch of instructions she's not been fully briefed on for a situation she doesn't fully understand. If the voice actress were emoting properly you'd lose that sense of disconnect.
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Robindaybird posted:and still better than V's where there's zero professionals, and you end up with some bizarre line readings This was just par for the era. And KQV honestly did have some surprisingly decent voice work in places, the tree with a harp had a generally loving singing voice. This is doubly surprising since the KQV CD came out in the early 90's, and there are far worse examples of weird, lovely voice acting even 5-6 years later. Such as the psx megaman games that came out late 90's. Or the bad community theater of 7th Guest (though it was to the games benefit that the villain turned the ham all the way up).
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What impeccable timing from the king and queen!
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That's neat, I'd never seen the guard dog deaths before I figured it was just a looped animation forever.
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DoubleNegative posted:
haha, this made me laugh. Excellent choice.
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Guildenstern Mother posted:That's neat, I'd never seen the guard dog deaths before I figured it was just a looped animation forever. Actually, if I remember right, they're completely fine afterwards, despite Alexander dying instantly if he takes one in the kisser. Curious... Then again, this update also features Saladin killing him with the most casual sword thrusts known to dog or man, so maybe Alexander's just made of plywood.
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Blastinus posted:Actually, if I remember right, they're completely fine afterwards, despite Alexander dying instantly if he takes one in the kisser. Curious... it turns out the Lord of the Dead's touch doesn't actually have any special powers, Alex is just so fragile that he can be skeletonized by brushing his cheek casually
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I thought the Genie couldn't use his powers to just directly kill. Wasn't that the whole reason he spent the whole game trying to trick Alexander into obvious traps?
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I dont know posted:I thought the Genie couldn't use his powers to just directly kill. Wasn't that the whole reason he spent the whole game trying to trick Alexander into obvious traps? Presumably once Alexander is disabled, it'd be a simple stab from Alhazred to finish the job after.
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I dont know posted:I thought the Genie couldn't use his powers to just directly kill. Wasn't that the whole reason he spent the whole game trying to trick Alexander into obvious traps? Dazzle spells make it real easy to crack your soft protagonist head on a hard stone floor. Either that or Shamir was just all "It was the spell that killed him, not me  "
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If you look at Saladin and the guard dogs after Shamir dazzles them, the narrator points out that they're unconscious. (Alexander, of course, does not get the same courtesy.) I think you can use either the Walk, Use, or Talk cursors to stop the wedding (the most obvious is talking to the priest; Alexander shouts "STOP THE WEDDING!"). My personal favorite is the Use cursor on Alhazred ("Hold, villain! You shall not marry the princess!") There's a few additional deaths that wind up with the same "Genie meenie minie moe-- Alexander can't be slow!" death. Leave through the main entrance posted:Alexander attempts to escape through the grand hall doors. Going back into the throne room posted:SHAMIR: I'm afraid there's not much more to see in the throne room! There will be more fireworks out here! Hee hee! Not following Alhazred up the Tower of the Crown posted:SHAMIR: So there you are! Decided to wait around for me, eh? Descending the Tower of the Crown posted:SHAMIR: Changed your mind about following my master, eh? Good idea; you never would've won anyway, and it's so much easier just to kill you here! Also, considering he's supposed to be chasing Alhazred, Alexander really could go a bit faster than his usual casual walk. (Quest For Glory totally would have given you points for breaking into a run after him.)
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XXII - Girl in the Tower  Battle in the CastleAhh, you feel that in the air? That's the feeling of a nearly-complete LP! We just gotta get through this last update and King's Quest 6 will be complete.  Alexander! Be careful, Alhazred has a sword! Shut up, wench! SHAMIR SHAMAZEL!!! Get in here! Here I am, Master It's about time, you bumbling fool! How could you let him follow me? Well, there were the guard dogs, Master, and then.... NEVER MIND!! Just kill him--kill him NOW! <sigh> As you wish, Master. RAZZLE DAZZLE, SNAP AND SNAZZLE...  Prince Alexander, I did it! I swapped the lamps! Here, quick, take it! Bless you, Jollo! I knew you could do it! Now get clear, friend! No argument there, my lord. Good luck!  Alexander has the genie's lamp!I don't feel particularly keen to die to Shamir again so...  WHAT? How did you get my lamp! You thief! You...you...you.... You've ruined me! My lamp! Oh, thank Balhalla! I hated working for that loathsome creature! I already feel his nastiness leaving me! How I've longed for a master like you! I've got a new master~! I've got a new master~! So you are a thief as well, Alexander? Stealing the lamp was very clever, I'll grant you that, but I am the master thief! Face my sword, if you dare! The man left standing shall have the lamp! So shall it be, Alhazred! I don't need the genie to deal with a coward like you! This is the last death of the LP.  ALEXANDER! NO!!  It gives us a good hint on what to do, however.  sword In desperation, Alexander fixes upon the only weapon in sight. Abdul is very patient here. He could have killed Alex six times over in that gif. Zounds! This sword must weigh a ton! Good. Then you shall only fail sooner, my prince! SO! The mouse would bite? This mouse SHALL bite, as you shall soon see--or should I say, soon feel?  Hah! You can barely lift that sword, my 'prince!' Better to lay it down now. I promise to dispatch you with little pain A tempting offer, but I think I'll wait and see what this sword can do. Suit yourself.The swordfight animation plays again. However this time during the punchup... Alexander's arms start to tremble under the effort of wielding the huge sword. His muscles are nearing exhaustion Hah! And so it ends! Not if I can help it, you murderer! Cassima thrusts the small dagger into Alhazred's shoulder with all her might! Yyeeiii!!! You! You dare raise a finger to me?! You will regret that, princess! You're lucky I didn't aim for your neck! If we don't act soon enough, Abdul will turn around and kill Alex. So... Leave her alone, Alhazred! You are through harming her--and this kingdom! Wha...? Disabled Vizier We've won! Now all that's left is the ending. Cassima! Are you all right? I'm fine, Alexander. I just was so afraid for you! There's no need to fear anymore, princess. Yes. I know. How can I ever repay you? For myself, for my kingdom.... It was not in me to let harm come to you. Can you find it in you, princess, to give me more than your gratitude? Alexander! What are you saying? I love you, Cassima. Would you ever consider...do you think you could...marry me? Could you ever have doubted it, my prince?  <growl!> Ahem! Oh! Guards! Princess Cassima, are you well? I am quite well, thank you. Please take Abdul and put him in the dungeon. See to it that he gets a doctor. We want to be sure he survives. He has a lot to answer for, and he has not earned a quick death once it's all over. Yes, Majesty. Come along, you rat. We've got a nice dank cell all ready for you. And before too long, the Doctor is coming to pay you a visit. No. What!? How dare you... Shut up! Get moving. What's going to happen to Alhazred? Men like him and Mordack only respect strength, so I'm going to show him just how much I learned from them. By the time the guards are through with him, he'll wish he had died here. I imagine your father is going to want to have some words with him as well. My father? I... what? Alexander cracks a smile. Your parents are waiting downstairs. But how? I thought they died! It's a very long story, Cassima. You see, it all started when I washed ashore a couple days ago... Good WeddingI'm gonna be quiet for a lot of this. So just enjoy the royal wedding.  Cassima and Alexander ask Captain Saladin to perform their wedding ceremony. Saladin is honored to do so. On this historical day of great joy in the Land of the Green Isles, we witness the union of Cassima, beloved princess of this realm, and Alexander, prince of Daventry! Do you, Prince Alexander of Daventry, take Princess Cassima to be your wife, to love and to cherish for as long as you both shall live? I do. And do you, Princess Cassima of the Land of the Green Isles, take Prince Alexander to be your husband, to love and to cherish, for as long as you both shall live? I do. Do you have a ring? I have Alexander's royal insignia ring. Very good. Please place the ring on Cassima's finger.  Who gives this bride to be wed? Her mother and I willingly give our daughter's hand in wedlock. Who will speak for the groom? I will. Alexander's mother and I recognize his marriage to Princess Cassima with glad hearts and sanction this union. Then, Alexander and Cassima, I now pronounce you man and wife. You may kiss the bride.Everyone: Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!  Congratulations, my children! I have an important question for you both, please hear me! Yes, Sire? Alexander, I welcome you into our family with open arms! I placed trust in Alhazred because I so badly wanted a son and a husband for my beloved daughter. I was wrong. But you are true and good, Alexander, and have proven yourself to all my people. Thank you, Sire. Allaria and I have been through much. Even though we have returned to our kingdom, I do not think we are able to reign again. Will you two consider the Crown? I know as king and queen you can heal this small kingdom from all the damage that Alhazred has inflicted upon it. Oh, Father! Why, I'm honored.... What do you think, Cassima? I love my homeland, Alexander. I would be happy to stay and to serve it all my days. Father? I believe I am needed here. Would you be very disappointed if.... Son, you must follow your destiny. I DO believe the Land of the Green Isles needs you. You will be a magnificent king, though dearly missed in Daventry.  Oh, my boy! What a man you've become, and how I will miss you! Don't worry, Mother. With Shamir's powers we'll be able to visit often! I'm not about to forget my family.  Congratulations, Alexander! I'm so proud of you! Thank you, dear sister. Oh, Alexander, I am so glad! Between the return of my beloved parents and our new reign, you've made me so happy! I'm glad I could make up for some of your suffering, my beautiful wife. Congratulations, King Alexander! When we return home to Daventry, your crew will be glad to hear that their battle at sea was worthwhile--in bringing forth a new monarch! We were so worried when your men arrived home without you, son! I'm so thankful that you are safe and happy! And I am as grateful that my crew did not pay for my driven heart! You have only brought us ALL good fortune, Sire! With Shamir saved, and his power used for good, reuniting the islands will be far easier. He has already repaired the ferry. Your road will be easier now that the islands are no longer feuding. Already the wounds are starting to heal Yes, my love, discovering the island's stolen treasures has done more to bring peace to this land than anything else. It is now clear that Alhazred had Shamir steal each of the island's most valued treasure, then blamed the thefts on others to cause the islands to hate each other.You can see where they can insert what you did or did not do. The short ending path is the same wedding, but it's just a lot of "well you hosed up this this and this." And it's not a triumphant perfect score so much as "well you need to do a lot better." Now, let us celebrate our good fortune! The evil that has plagued this land is done, and a new reign begins! Long live King Alexander and Queen Cassima!Everyone: LONG LIVE KING ALEXANDER!  Everyone: LONG LIVE QUEEN CASSIMA! Everyone: LONG LIVE THE LAND OF THE GREEN ISLES! Everyone: Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!   Girl in the Tower ***CLICK THIS LINK***GIRL IN THE TOWER I'M REACHING OUT PLEASE TELL ME WHAT TO DO Girl in the Tower is a legitimate love power ballad written specifically for King's Quest VI. It unironically owns. Listen to it.    Yeah that's not happening.  So what's next for me? Well, I have an ongoing Final Fantasy XIV LP that will be running for probably ever or until I get bored and wander away from SALP. But what if you're tired of low fantasy? Alexander's is not the only tale I know. What if I told you that I played a very important role in ensuring the survival of humanity? It all began with a woman named Shepard...List of Points +1 Ring on a beach +1 Move +1 Get coin in the box +3 Got engaged to a guard +2 - This guy totally isn't evil +2 Bought a nightingale +1 Free book! +1 Read lovely poetry +1 Received lovely poetry +2 Asked about Ye Useful Booke of Magick Spells +1 Befriended Ali +2 - Listened to Hassan +1 - Received luck from Hassan +5 - Magic smap +1 - Minty fresh! +4 - Jollo the Clown +1 - Alexander's Disappearing Ink Act +1 - Alexander feels a strange pulling sensation... +1 - Stinky Flower +1 - Black Feather +3 - Oyster dentist +1 - (In)complete sentence +10 - Beating the Sense Gnomes (+2 each) +1 - Destroyed the web +1 - The game's central theme or something +1 - Milkweed bottle +2 - Stealing from the queen +1 - Alex made a rotten friend! +1 - Frozen lettuce +4 - Simmering Pond +1 - Old lamp... +1 - Brick joke +2 - Speech he is +2 - Coming home he is to +1 - The rare book is damaged! +4 - Befriended Sing-Sing +2 - A monster pearl is worth a ring, sure +1 - Ye Olde Book of Useful Spells +3 - Gave a ring to a random bird +1 - Cassima's ribbon +1 - Got Cassima's hair +1 - Love poem to bird +1 - Friendzoned by Cassima +1 - A fine china teacup +2 - Danced with the wallflowers +1 - Kidnapped a hole +2 - Determined that babies understand fairness +1 - Collected the tears of baby's tears +3 - Got rid of rotten tomato +1 - Swamp ooze, not much +5 - Copy Protection (1 for each puzzle) +1 - Entered the mountain cave (seriously) +2 - Illumination +1 - Fresh peppermint +1 -  +3 - MAZE FLOOR +1 - Free shield for the taking +1 - Stealing from the dead +2 - Putting a brick in the works +2 - The torch was out +1 - Hole in the wall +1 - A hidden latch +1 - Flipped the latch +3 -  bulls don't care about red, only motion+6 - Consultation with the oracle +1 - A marvelous lump of coal +1 - A handy-dandy scythe +3 - Shield beats arrow +1 - A rose, pure as white +3 - Alex is a pretty good gardener +1 - Robbie Benson talks to himself +2 - Flirted with Belle +2 - Alex liked it, so he put a ring on it +2 - Beauty and the Beast +1 - Sacred lamp +1 - Fountain water lamp +1 - DRINK ME +1 - A nice egg in these trying times +1 - Feeding a rose to a bird +3 - Tricked Shamir +3 - Alex makes watery tea +2 - Alex is a powerful nature wizard! +1 - The most metal looking item ever +1 - Burning hair +1 - An awful, unholy mixture of fire, brimstone, and purity +5 - Leaving this world! +1 - Ghost ticket +1 - Ghost handkerchief +2 - Dead Man's Party! +1 - Skeleton key +3 - NEXT! +1 - The black gauntlet +1 - Stained the teacup beyond all hope +3 - Taken to see somethin' interesting +3 - IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S THE GAME'S MAIN THEME OR SOMETHING +2 - Threw down the gauntlet +4 -Alexander is a loving badass +1 - Old lamp for new +1 - Stirred teacup with feather +1 - Amateur painting +3 - Enchanted painting! +2 - Metal Gear Alexander +3 - Flattering the clown +3 - Helped a crying boy +2 - Secret Area +2 - A clue from the dogs! +1 - A face to wall conversation with Cassima +3 - Armed the princess +1 - Learned the evil vizier is evil +2 - Proof the evil vizier is evil +1 - ZEBU +2 - ALI ZEBU +2 - "Stolen property or some such" +3 - Saladin's friendship with Abdul ended. Now sword is his best friend +5 - MRS. ROBINSOOOON! MRS. ROBINSOOOON! +1 - A clown's hands are quick and agile +5 - He's got a new master! He's got a new master! +1 - >get SWORD +1 - A duel for the ages +5 - VICTORY Total Points: 231/231 Register of Deaths Alexander can't swim Trusted a kid Stewed Alexander x2 Alex:  Alex needs to bathe Alex is a mouth breather Alex tastes funny Alex has rough skin Alex exists Married to a widow Clingy vines An arrow-neous move Sinking into the swamp Illogical Step x2 Ate deadly nightshade. What did you think was going to happen? Got Wil-E Coyote'd x3 Spiked! x2 Pressed into the pavement Eye'm splitting up Gored by the minotaur Sacrificed for rain Whee whee whee all the way home Had to re-record! Acidic ghoul flesh x2 Bathing in the Lethe Vored Succumbed to Death Saladin proves his point x2 Give 'em the old razzle dazzle Alexander should have been on guard Total: 36 deaths, 1 re-record to capture a scene that didn't happen DoubleNegative fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Thanks for the LP, DN! I find it nice that the credits tell you about the short path, and even how to ensure you don't lock yourself out of it.
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Great LP! Thanks for doing it, this was a proper trip down nostalgia lane
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