The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - there's no way to be Surtain

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Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

Chucktesla posted:

I don't think there is any team in the NFL that is trying to build their entire franchise, from roster construction to coaching decisions to marketing to selling season tickets, around one guy like the chargers are doing with Justin Herbert. It makes sense to have him in the room with that in mind

Agreed.

Tonight I dine on wine and pizza and wings for round 2-3

# ? Apr 30, 2021 19:23

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# ? May 4, 2024 17:14

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Sam Darnold on a team that spends all its picks on defense. How novel.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 19:29

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

YOLOsubmarine posted:

The Panthers are going to build a defense that’s good enough to ensure that they never have an early enough pick to get a decent QB.

Why would they ever need to? Keeping going with the Bridge QBs. Bridgewater to Darnold to Drew Locke to Jared Goff to Mac Jones on and on and on forever.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 19:30

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

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# ? Apr 30, 2021 19:34

ChocolatePancake: Feb 25, 2007

As long as the Broncos finally address right tackle today I'll be happy.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 19:47

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

My Galaxy brain take for the evening: Rest of the league afraid to take Dickerson because his injury history precludes a long career. Bengals don't give a single gently caress, draft him anyways, cuz they'd almost certainly not give him a competitive second contract if he did perform well enough to generate interest.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 19:53

Diqnol: May 10, 2010

Diva Cupcake posted:

Sam Darnold on a team that spends all its picks on defense. How novel.

The good news is they have a position known as Receiver on their team, it�s pretty cool, you should check it out!

# ? Apr 30, 2021 20:15

Oberst: May 24, 2010; Fertilizing threads since 2010

Looking forward to the Daltos Knows More About The NFL Draft Than You - Night 2 stream

# ? Apr 30, 2021 21:13

ares: Feb 5, 2004; i'm here for the gangbang

Stream was fantastic Daltos. I�d watch more for sure.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 21:59

Cavauro: Jan 9, 2008

he lives in Cincinnati. nothing to do but draft

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:33

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Terrace Marshall's foot being bad still is a huge red flag for me. After Sammy Watkins I think I'm out on that guy

Also somebody is getting a future star with

quote:

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame
Some think Owusu-Koramoah is the best all-around football player in this draft class. He's a linebacker who can run with receivers and be effective against the run and as a pass rusher. He won the Butkus Award in 2020 as the nation's top player at his position.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:33

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

kiimo posted:

Terrace Marshall's foot being bad still is a huge red flag for me. After Sammy Watkins I think I'm out on that guy

Also somebody is getting a future star with

I think this is who teams are trying to trade up to 34 (Jets pick) to grab.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:34

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I assume you mean JOK and not Marshall?

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:37

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

kiimo posted:

I assume you mean JOK and not Marshall?

Oh yeah sorry. JOK is who I meant.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:38

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Ehud posted:

I think this is who teams are trying to trade up to 34 (Jets pick) to grab.

*rolls up a newspaper and bops Brett Veach on the nose*

No! You will be able to find good players with the picks you have Brett!

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:43

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

The fact that Jenkins has medical issues makes me so happy the Chiefs traded for Orlando Brown Jr.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:47

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Are there any starter-caliber DLs available in the draft for the Browns, or do we get to watch them give up 125 yards a game this season?

# ? Apr 30, 2021 22:57

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama
Barmore has a lot of upside as an interior defender. He is an elite disrupter on the inside. His full skill set was on display when he dominated the Ohio State Buckeyes in the College Football Playoff National Championship Game.

Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa
Nixon has arguably more upside than any player in the draft at the defensive tackle position. The track record of Iowa players who dominate in the trenches at the collegiate level helps make him a safe project pick.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:00

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Thanks! In that case, I'll tune in tonight with beers in hand.

And I think everyone on Alabama dominated OSU in that game... Funny thing about that is I didn't care one bit since they got to take Clemson to the woodshed and make Trevor end his collegiate career with a pick.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:04

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

ares posted:

Stream was fantastic Daltos. I�d watch more for sure.

Thank you and thank you everyone else for the kind words. I'm not doing day two tonight but i'll be in the discord and here answering questions if you have any.

TheGreyGhost posted:

Honestly, if it weren't for Daltos insane effort posting in here, I probably never would've started doing it a few years back either. We probably across 4-5 goons in this thread have a better mock/draft coverage org than the non-ESPN/NFL network guys.

That's a big deal for me because I really respect your opinion and think you do more work with more in depth analysis than me. You could legitimately be a NFL scout.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:04

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

kiimo posted:

Also somebody is getting a future star with

Smells like a future Broncos Hall of Famer

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:12

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

3 DONG HORSE posted:

Smells like a future Broncos Hall of Famer

You'll get Kyle Trask and like it

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:15

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

Its been months of coverage and I still can't get over the size of Lawrence's massive loving head.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:15

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Yeah strong Easter Island vibes

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:33

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Ches Neckbeard posted:

You'll get Kyle Trask and like it

If they actually draft a QB after saying they "like" the QB situation (lol), I will scream, then fart myself to death.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:37

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

is there a link to last night's doltos' stream?

im sorry i don't know how twitch works

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:39

Diqnol: May 10, 2010

FizFashizzle posted:

is there a link to last night's doltos' stream?

im sorry i don't know how twitch works

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1005467532

here ya go, boomer

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:40

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

BlindSite posted:

Its been months of coverage and I still can't get over the size of Lawrence's massive loving head.

Circumference of cranium positively correlates with IQ. Got a pumpkinhead, usually got a pumpkin brain. Massive success

# ? Apr 30, 2021 23:44

El Gallinero Gros: Mar 17, 2010

What can you tell me about Aaron Banks, the guy the Ninets drafted?

# ? May 1, 2021 02:04

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

he is a very very large man

# ? May 1, 2021 02:05

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Leperflesh posted:

he is a very very large man

Extremely large even.

# ? May 1, 2021 02:06

TheGreyGhost: Feb 14, 2012; �Go win the Heimlich Trophy!�

We�re officially at the point where there�s some really good value at DT for now. Togiai, Tufele, Nixon are all guys I would�ve considered on day 2.

Sort of ambivalent on the remaining interior guys. Trey Smith is good, but Deonte Brown got bodied by LBs at times with 100 pounds in his favor. Jackson, Van Lanen, and Kraemer could all be high end run blockers but play too heavy in their stance in pass pro. I really don�t see much value in the interior on that side.

Still good WR depth, hate the remaining RBs. Lots of tweeners in the OLB/DE space.

Shaun Wade has to be kicking himself for coming back right now. Thought someone would take a flyer on his as a slot/safety by now. Remaining safeties have some really solid thumper/box guys right now but not many true cover/center fielders�someone like LeCounte or the Indiana guy can have a 8-10 year career though if they�re paired with a true space guy. The corners remaining are weird too. Wildgoose and Wilson are interesting in that they�re decent cover guys who just mug everyone when poo poo gets hard which is a problem when it�s not just 15 yards. Israel Mukamu is interesting too�huge corner who is decently fast but can�t turn for poo poo. Could be a very very interesting piece in a Seahawks style press Cover 3 where he isn�t asked to turn much or a decent box Safety prospect if you work on his tackling a bit since he could carry a TE vertically.

This whole class is going to look abnormal in a few years regardless. If you look at some of the dudes who rose and fell, it�s very very clear that the evaluation criteria in the absence of combine and film for a lot of guys led to some impaired inhibitions, but I won�t be shocked if we have some massive mid-round guys who turn into perennial pro bowlers just off of how hard it is to really evaluate this year. Could be like a pre-internet draft in spots.

# ? May 1, 2021 06:07

RC and Moon Pie: May 5, 2011

Colts took Ehlinger

# ? May 1, 2021 22:20

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

WANT SOME MORE MOCKS

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https://theathletic.com/2563362/2021/05/04/2022-nfl-mock-draft-from-spencer-rattler-and-sam-howell-to-jt-daniels-the-qb-carousel-keeps-spinning/

1. Houston Texans � Spencer Rattler, QB, Oklahoma
The future in Houston for Deshaun Watson is uncertain, which could put the Texans in the quarterback market next offseason, especially if they own the No. 1 pick. In his first season as a starter last year, Rattler made plenty of mistakes, but he got better as the campaign progressed. He should continue that development under coach Lincoln Riley.

2. Detroit Lions � Sam Howell, QB, North Carolina
Until he proves otherwise, Jared Goff is likely the short-term option in Detroit while the organization searches for the long-term answer. It is tough to watch Howell and not see similarities to Baker Mayfield � both positive and negative. His maturation will be interesting to track without Javonte Williams, Michael Carter, Dyami Brown and Dazz Newsome, all taken in last week�s draft.

3. Cincinnati Bengals � Kayvon Thibodeaux, edge, Oregon
This past draft was the first without a pass rusher in the top 10 since 2012, but Thibodeaux will help the position make a comeback next April. The former five-star recruit has lived up to expectations in Eugene and is the current favorite to be the first non-quarterback drafted in 2022.

4. New York Jets � Derek Stingley, CB, LSU
Stingley put his name on the NFL map as a true freshman playmaker for LSU�s 2019 national championship team. He battled through an injury-plagued 2020 season, but the talent to be a blue-chip pro prospect is there.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars � Kenyon Green, OT, Texas A&M
An All-American at left guard as a sophomore, Green is expected to make the move to left tackle as the Aggies� only returning offensive lineman. He is a balanced, explosive mover with the upper-body power and awareness that NFL teams covet.

6. Philadelphia Eagles � Malik Willis, QB, Liberty
Jalen Hurts has a �prove it� season coming up, and if he doesn�t take command of QB1, then the Eagles will likely be in position to draft a different quarterback in the top 10. If the draft were tomorrow, Willis probably isn�t a first-round pick. But if he makes key improvements, scouts believe he could climb this high. Check out Bruce Feldman�s recent article on his exciting talent.

7. Las Vegas Raiders � Drake Jackson, DL, USC
When I was studying USC�s tape during the 2019 season, I thought I found a sleeper prospect when No. 99 kept popping on film. Turns out Jackson was only a true freshman, and he quickly announced himself to the world as a future top pick.

8. New York Giants � Kyle Hamilton, DS, Notre Dame
A long, explosive safety, Hamilton is a unique athlete for his size with the competitive mentality to match. Though he has the physical skill set to be a top pick, his mental development has also been apparent during his first two seasons in South Bend.

9. Carolina Panthers � Evan Neal, OT, Alabama
After playing primarily right guard as a freshman, Neal moved out to right tackle last season and was one of the better run blockers in the country while also holding his own in pass protection. At 6-foot-7 and 360 pounds, he might transition to left tackle in the fall as the Tide look to replace a first-round pick, Alex Leatherwood.

10. Washington Football Team � JT Daniels, QB, Georgia
Georgia�s inconsistencies last season can be tied to its issues at quarterback. But over the final few games with Daniels as the starter, the Bulldogs looked like a different team. If he continues to make positive strides, he could put himself in the top half of Round 1.

11. Atlanta Falcons � DeMarvin Leal, DL, Texas A&M
While watching the 2020 Florida tape, I was trying to study Bobby Brown. But Leal kept drawing my eye with his agility, especially for a 290-pounder. The second Aggie in this mock draft, he has true inside-outside versatility and the dominant traits to make plays in the backfield.

12. Arizona Cardinals � Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson
At this time last year, Derion Kendrick was the Clemson cornerback that NFL scouts were talking about. But now that buzz belongs to Booth. Although he has room to tidy up his technique, he does an outstanding job of locating and making plays on the ball (check out his one-handed interceptions).

13. Minnesota Vikings � Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida
Over the last six years, Florida has produced 11 defensive back draft picks, including several first-rounders, and Elam is next in the pipeline. He needs to cut down on the penalties and improve his tackling, but his length and ball skills help him shut down passing windows.

14. New York Giants � Christian Harris, LB, Alabama
From Chicago

Alabama�s top returning tackler, Harris is entering his third season as the starter and is one of the more experienced players in the SEC. He has outstanding run-stopping and blitzing skills, but his development in coverage will ultimately determine whether he is drafted this high.

15. Pittsburgh Steelers � Phil Jurkovec, QB, Boston College
Another quarterback who can put himself in the first round discussion with continued development, Jurkovec is a well-built competitor with better mobility than expected � similar to a current Pittsburgh quarterback. Scouts are eager to see the development of this Notre Dame transfer.

16. Tennessee Titans � Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State
The first wide receiver off the board in this scenario, Wilson has a knack for getting open and winning at the catch point. With a new quarterback and so many mouths to feed in the Buckeyes� offense, his stat line this season might not look dominant, but his tape and traits will be a different story.

17. Los Angeles Chargers � Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
A 6-foot-2 corner out of Detroit, Gardner had an All-American true freshman season in 2019 and had another strong year as a sophomore, collecting three interceptions each season. His competitive temperament gets the best of him at times and penalties have been a problem, but his coverage grades stand out.

18. New England Patriots � Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas
While I studied Feleipe Franks� tape last season, Burks made himself impossible to overlook with a number of highlight-worthy plays each week. A good-sized athlete at 6-foot-3, 225 pounds, he has a huge catch radius and makes even the most difficult grabs appear routine.

19. Philadelphia Eagles � George Karlaftis, edge, Purdue
From Miami

Although he was injured during the pandemic-shortened 2020 season, Karlaftis was dominant as a freshman in 2019, leading the team with 17 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks. His heavy-handed attack and GPS for the football should translate well to the next level.

20. New Orleans Saints � Jordan Battle, DS, Alabama
Battle became a full-time starter as a sophomore last season and didn�t disappoint, earning high marks from the coaches for his play versus the run and the pass. Safeties have been shut out of the first round each of the last two years, but players like Hamilton and Battle will try to change that next spring.

21. Indianapolis Colts � Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington
Washington has become the Pacific Coast version of �DBU� and McDuffie is next in line to be an early-round pick. Entering his third season as a starter, the California native doesn�t have ideal size, but he plays with obvious swagger and compete skills to stay on top of routes.

22. New York Jets � Kingsley Enagbare, edge, South Carolina
From Seattle

South Carolina always seems to have at least one defensive lineman who will be a future NFL starter, and Enagbare is that guy to watch this fall because of his length and athletic twitch. Also known as �JJ,� he became a starter last season as a junior and led the team in sacks (six) and forced fumbles (three).

23. Dallas Cowboys � Darian Kinnard, OG, Kentucky
A college right tackle who will likely move inside to guard in the NFL, Kinnard is an rear end-kicker in the run game and surprised NFL scouts when he decided to pass up a spot in the top 100 to return to school. With improved consistency in pass protection, he might be able to break into the first round.

24. Denver Broncos � DJ Dale, DT, Alabama
The only true defensive tackle in this mock draft, Dale is a stout nose. He won�t fill up the stat sheet, but his impact is clear. He earned the starting job as a true freshman and has been an understated performer for the Tide the last two seasons.

25. Green Bay Packers � Zach Harrison, edge, Ohio State
At 6-foot-6 and 270 pounds, Harrison is straight out of central casting and will light up stopwatches at next year�s scouting combine. He didn�t take as big of a jump between his freshman and sophomore seasons as expected, but with another offseason working under Larry Johnson, Harrison could be a breakout star this fall.

26. Cleveland Browns � Myjai Sanders, edge, Cincinnati
With his initial first step, Sanders is quick to introduce himself on tape. He was a potential top-50 pick if he declared for this year�s draft, but he returned to Cincinnati to continue to get stronger and become a better finisher in hope of becoming a first-round pick.

27. Baltimore Ravens � Jamaree Salyer, OT/G, Georgia
Over the last two seasons, Salyer has lined up at left tackle, right tackle and left guard, and it will be interesting to see where he lines up as a senior. It doesn�t always look pretty, but his wide base and natural power help him overwhelm defenders.

28. Miami Dolphins � Aidan Hutchinson, DL, Michigan
From San Francisco

Hutchinson was considered a borderline first-rounder last fall before a fractured leg ended his season and forced him to return to school. He is on pace to be fully healthy for the fall, and scouts will be interested if he shows the same pre-injury lower-body agility and upper-body power.

29. Buffalo Bills � John Metchie III, WR, Alabama
Alabama�s streak of consecutive drafts with at least two wide receivers taken in the first round will likely end next April. But if Metchie cracks the first round, he will be the sixth Crimson Tide pass catcher to do so since 2014. He finished second on the team in receiving last season, and his 16.7 yards per catch average was better than DeVonta Smith�s 15.9.

30. Detroit Lions � Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State
From L.A. Rams

The second Ohio State receiver drafted in this mock, Olave was considered a borderline first-round pick before he decided to return to Columbus for his senior year. His body type is only average, but his speed and ball skills are appealing traits for the next level.

31. Tampa Bay Buccaneers � Tyler Linderbaum, OC, Iowa
My top-ranked center, Linderbaum flies out of his stance to reach blocks or advance to the second level. He plays with tight hands and a flexible lower body to cleanly redirect or move laterally.

32. Kansas City Chiefs � Justyn Ross, WR, Clemson
Based on talent, Ross belongs in next April�s first round. But he missed the 2020 college football season because of a congenital fusion in his spine that puts his draft grade in limbo until the team�s doctors can examine him at the combine. Clemson expects him to be fully healthy and on the field this fall.

JT Daniels at 10 :stonk:

# ? May 4, 2021 15:01

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Broncos at 24? Lmao

# ? May 4, 2021 15:09

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

3 DONG HORSE posted:

Broncos at 24? Lmao

It's based on super bowl odds. I have no earthly idea how the Bengals could lose spots in draft positioning next year.

# ? May 4, 2021 15:31

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Eifert Posting posted:

It's based on super bowl odds. I have no earthly idea how the Bengals could lose spots in draft positioning next year.

Oh, I know. I just think those odds are insane. Those odds must be based on the Broncos acquiring Rodgers. They gotta be.

# ? May 4, 2021 15:33

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

I thought it was based on win over/under for a second. I don't gamble, but if the o/u for Cinci was equivalent to a #3 seed, say less than 5, I'd probably be too tempted.

# ? May 4, 2021 15:50

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

The Chiefs just took a Clemson WR. Without a loving SPINE PROBLEM

# ? May 4, 2021 17:29

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# ? May 4, 2024 17:14

Afterbirth Aftermath: Aug 29, 2002

Building those work relationships

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# ? May 4, 2021 22:33

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