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Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

thrawn527 posted:

Ugh. Okay, so the Aftermath books are...different. They were the first new EU books, and set post Return of the Jedi, so we were all very excited to get them to get our first glimpse at what this new EU galaxy would look like! And then we got them.

:actually:

The first EU book released was A New Dawn, a pretty solid Rebels prequel that introduces us to Kanan, Hera, and noted recurring Imperial Rae Sloane.

Also known for reasserting bathroom over refresher as the preferred terminology

edit: Also if I could add a Canon rec: Lords of the Sith

320 pages of Vader and Sheev wrecking poo poo on Ryloth, it's simply written but fun nonetheless

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Mar 18, 2009

Chairman Capone posted:

Which did not last, either.

Yeah, I think that and "coffee" were not long for the new canon, sadly

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Mar 18, 2009

I thiiiink the only place he gets any significant characterization is the novella included with the X-Wing game and strategy guide. The actual player in-game is a blank slate archetype with no dialogue.

I'm pretty sure future works retconned (or outright ignored) him being Force Sensitive, and nuCanon changed it so a Alderaan survivor named Evaan Verlaine flew that surviving Y-Wing.

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Dec 19, 2020

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Mar 18, 2009

Ceebees posted:

He was still very blank, but he got to be a big jedi admiral in the vong books.

Oops, I think I confused him with Maarek Stele there

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Mar 18, 2009

So the last book in the Alphabet Squadron trilogy came out yesterday; I finished it today.

And... well, I'm actually thinking it may be the best novel of the modern canon.

Basically, without spoiling anything, Freed manages some drat complex character work while also straight-up tackling one of the bigger franchise "themes" in a way that thoroughly critiques it while also supporting it, in a sense.

The whole thing is laden with pain and emotion and pew-pews and I could not be happier with how the trilogy as a whole turned out.

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Mar 18, 2009

Humerus posted:

In other news, I read Into the Dark, Claudia Gray's entry to the High Republic, and I liked it much more than Light of the Jedi. The two stories kind of intersect so it's probably "better" to read Light of the Jedi first but since it wasn't very good a wiki summary would be fine. Or not honestly, I think there's enough in Into the Dark to understand what's happening regardless. If you liked Master & Apprentice this has a similar feel.

I agree, it feels a lot tighter and more intimate (which is a fun word to use considering how they address Jedi celibacy in this book) than Light of the Jedi did. I like that the Drengir are basically Audrey IIs but Star Wars.

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Mar 18, 2009

Chairman Capone posted:

They announced this a few months ago or so. It's part of a reprint of Legends books as part of Lucasfilm's 50th anniversary. In addition to the unabridged audio of Shatterpoint, the book itself is being re-released with new cover art, along with Plagueis, Rogue Squadron and the Thrawn and Bane trilogies. Plus at least two volumes of never-before-reprinted Legends stories from Insider. I think Shatterpoint is the only audiobook that's been announced as part of it, though.

I'm actually a bit bummed out that these appear to be hardcover only. There's no reason not to publish these digitally as well. :colbert:

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Mar 18, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

You'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise.



Bruh, Mara Jade was Sandra Bullock when she died???

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Mar 18, 2009

Van Dis posted:

That cover art sucks compared to the Bantam originals

At least Rule of Two's cover is a definite improvement over the, uh, previous one

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jun 25, 2021

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Mar 18, 2009

Casimir Radon posted:



The one true answer.

Bonus answer would be the covers for the old Lando books where they clearly used the Kenner Falcon toy for a reference model

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Mar 18, 2009

First details are out on the Visions tie-in novel and hot drat does it really look like it'll be something else:

https://twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/1413122745794183171?s=20

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

The comics also have armored flying Hutts with war rancors, it's pretty rad

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Mar 18, 2009

Took off an afternoon to finish The Rising Storm. Overall, I'd say it's a tighter book than Light of the Jedi and much better with the character writing, even if the bigger reveals left me shrugging (Ro's Chekhov's gun basically being a... spookier vornskr, for one). Poor Bell, though. Kid can't get a break.

Reminds me that I should get around to reading the IDW comics one of these days.

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Mar 18, 2009

VaultAggie posted:

Gotta give a shout out to Rising Storm spoiler Senator Toon for being a grade-A Rational dude. I was expecting Borsk 2.0 but he ended up making some great points and being an overall swell dude. Love to see some more of him politicking.

Hell yes, the scene with him and the Nullifier prototype was some Grade A subversion (plus I just loved his increasingly-incredulous reactions to the thing). Ty having no reservations whatsoever about burying her pointy saber into Elzar's chest during the ensuing fight was great too (and pans out well later on).

And yes literally half of Rising Storm is the proverbial field trip to the fireworks factory but I feel the value there is in how that lead-up sets up certain... simmering pots ready to boil over (*cough*Elzar*cough*) and just increases the tension in general. Plus, it lends a cinematic vibe to the whole thing which obviously YMMV, but I dug it.

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Mar 18, 2009

I think it's obvious that the utter disaster of the Fair is an inflection point that specifically signals the eventual demise of Soh's envisioned Republic with its Great Works and lack of Defense Force. I wouldn't be surprised if Starlight Beacon is next on the proverbial chopping block, leading to the Republic basically ceding the Outer Rim to Hutt control.

I'd also guess that whatever goes down in the next few books explains why the Jedi themselves grow into the insular and stuffy brown-robed monks we see in the PT; maybe we'll see the event that leads to Keeve leaving the Order, who knows.


Speaking of the next few books....

https://twitter.com/DisneyBooks/status/1417152256860901378?s=20

Soule is teasing something spooky which leads to believe it's probably Drengir-related

https://twitter.com/CharlesSoule/status/1417667688407646208

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jul 21, 2021

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Mar 18, 2009

Claudia Gray's doing the next adult THR novel:

https://twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/1418685991792128001?s=20

More deets from the panel here: https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-high-republic-panel-comic-con-at-home-2021

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Mar 18, 2009

OhFunny posted:

This is one of the comic characters? I've only read the two adult novels.

Yes, it is. Actually, what Robot mentioned is looking increasingly likely because in this week's THR comic, it's obvious that Keeve has PTSD from mind-linking with the Drengir hive mind and the Jedi tasked with helping her is the one kind of person who might actually recommend stepping away from it all

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Mar 18, 2009

Xenomrph posted:

That’s hosed up.

Tbf he wasn't voiced at all, it was a very quick (but significant!) cameo

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Mar 18, 2009

StashAugustine posted:

I got the ESB short stories book out of the library pretty much just for General Battuta's story (which was very good), what else in there is good?

I liked the bounty hunters story with IG-88 and.. Zuckuss, I think, happening upon a YT-1300 converted into a casino ship while searching for Han and crew

Overall though, there felt like there were less standout stories than the ANH one

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Mar 18, 2009

“The Alliance to Restore The Republic” has been a thing since the 90’s Sourcebook days, I believe. At the very least I remember reading it in the novella bits of the X-Wing strategy guide.

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Mar 18, 2009

In the end I’m less down on the Battle of Jakku than others because it ended up getting some pretty sick depictions in Aftermath, Lost Stars, and Alphabet Squadron (among other works)

Not even the timeline aspect bothers me that much since Aftermath and Alphabet (and Squadrons, come to think of it) do a pretty good job of highlighting the complete and utter splintering of the Imperial military post-ROTJ.

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Mar 18, 2009

Xenomrph posted:

One of my other complaints with the NuEU is how everything feels too tightly knit; the old EU took the shotgun approach and had a ton of disconnected plots and planets and ships and characters who were only tangentially related to each other because Han/Luke/Leia ended up encountering them. It made the Galaxy seem bigger, with more varied stuff in it (especially the old West End Games stuff, which was all over the place). Only once there was, like, decades of EU built up did things start to cross over or get mentioned across multiple stories in order to remind readers that it was one big galaxy, and it culminated with the NJO acting like a victory lap for the whole thing.

In the NuEU, you’ve got Rebels cribbing a ton of stuff from Clone Wars, The Mandalorian cribbing a ton of stuff from Rebels, Hera Syndulla shows up in literally everything, Alphabet Squadron gets mentioned in everything, the High Republic has distant ancestors of OT-era EU characters, which has ancestors of sequel trilogy era characters, newly-invented Imperial Light Cruisers show up in Rebels, Squadrons, and the Mandalorian, and it’s all so interconnected that it just feels too small and constrained. I don’t need every new book to be littered with references to other contemporary books/videogames that are otherwise narratively disconnected.

It might just be because I'm a drat youngin' but I don't really mind any of that stuff (though I really don't get the Arquitens criticism given the mass-produced nature of the Imperial Navy in both canons). I think it's ultimately a consequence of the changing times (re: pop culture, cinematic universes becoming text instead of just implied) and massively different circumstances in which both the old and nuEU were produced.

Still, you might like the Ascendancy books, given that that they're basically a original setting outside of a handful of references to Legends lore and Zahn's own works.

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Mar 18, 2009

Xenomrph posted:

It’s just really convenient that instead of resurrecting any of the myriad Legends ships and scattering them around to give some kind of variety like the old EU had, they just made one type of new ship and put it literally everywhere. It’s just another example of the “small galaxy” problem.

look I miss the victory class as much as you do but it's time to move on

In all seriousness I think this was a intentional thematic move in terms of re-establishing early on the visual language of the monolithic and imposing Imperial Navy versus the relatively ragtag, diverse Rebel fleet



Though true to the old EU, half the Rebel ships are captured Imp ones lol

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Mar 18, 2009

jivjov posted:

Oh poo poo, thats even worse :(

Taka from Last Shot is non-binary, as are Terec and Ceret from the High Republic comics. (I lowkey don't like them being held up as super awesome representation and getting the Pride Month comic cover though, since their pair-bond is presented as a species thing, and I get a little antsy when queer folks identity is tied in to alien-ness)

Edit: I forgot I got in a fight with a podcaster about Taka once. They spent a big chunk of a review of Last Shot going on about how they were just so confused about Taka using a singular they pronoun, and they they just didn't like how a new character was introduced as being non-binary without taking the time to explain to the audience what that meant and how he had to go look it up on his own. I think he even went so far as to suggest that Taka should have been an alien instead of a human so their non-binary-ness "made sense"

There's also Keo in Squadrons. I never realized their helmet colors also match that of the NB flag :haw:

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Sep 4, 2021

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Mar 18, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-RfE-ioJ8

Don’t mind me, I’m just waiting for that PC announcement.

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Mar 18, 2009

thrawn527 posted:

Probably just updated graphics, maybe some control schemes. I can't imagine they'll change any story or be adding any new features. Maaaaaaybe some new side missions. Maybe.

The official blog post has some deets, though it’s still difficult to say what exactly they’re doing besides “bringing it up to modern standards”: https://blog.playstation.com/2021/09/09/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-is-the-legendary-tale-remade-on-playstation-5/

edit: PC confirmed https://twitter.com/lucasfilmgames/status/1436066933032439824?s=21

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 9, 2021

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Mar 18, 2009

I'm going through Knight Errant right now and it's a solid read imo

It's structurally a travelogue of various Sith fiefdoms in a post-war galaxy with the cherry of a reveal that oops they're all related and competing for Grandma Sith's trust fund money. Kerra and Rusher are fun (if pulpy) characters too.

I wish we got a Legends book about the Jedi Chancellor :sigh:

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Mar 18, 2009

Pablo showing a bit of how the sausage is made tonight

https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1446271151999651856?s=20
https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1446272490817294354?s=20
https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1446276910359613444?s=20

fake edit: bonus John Jackson Miller

https://twitter.com/jjmfaraway/status/1446282148701483012?s=20

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Mar 18, 2009

Arquinsiel posted:

They're still firing out the regular series, they just farmed out the "kid friendly" stuff to other comics companies.

I have generally enjoyed most of them, but for whatever reason Alphabet Squadron hasn't managed to leave me with a single character that I actually care about. I don't want to know what happens to these people, they annoy me. I still want to know what happens in the macro-scale of the strategic story, but only getting teasers of that when Hera is around is just tedious.

It's funny because I actually found the personal arcs of Yrica and Chass especially to be super compelling and unlike the characterization found in most of the SW novels released so far. They both have issues that I could see categorized as "annoying" but their latent trauma at the very least explains it and makes it interesting to watch play out.

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Mar 18, 2009

Finished Lesser Evil today, and it's curious that (Outbound Flight spoilers)Zahn kept Thrass's death almost completely the same as that book contextually, just excised the names of the other characters involved as well as Outbound Flight itself. Weird.

Overall really dug the book and how absolutely drenched with Chiss politics it was, I wonder if we'll get any Grysk stuff in the Ahsoka show (most likely not, but I can dream).

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Mar 18, 2009

The Out of Print edition covers for the mainline THR novels have been sublime and drat, The Fallen Star's is no exception



https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-high-republic-books-exclusive-editions

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Mar 18, 2009

Casimir Radon posted:

I need to get back to reading The Rising Storm. I put it down months ago because the big attacks scene shown from multiple angles kind of wore me down. I’m not a big fan that kind of storytelling in general. It drags on forever and wears me out.
At a point I started imagining that bit as your typical 3rd act battle from a Star Wars film ala ROTJ or Rogue One, cutting between different perspectives as the action builds to a climax. (Never mind the fact that the Republic Fair attack takes up multiple acts, but that’s how I visualized the whole thing in any case)

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Mar 18, 2009

Robot Style posted:

Based on the dates of concept art in the Rise of Skywalker art book and various BTS videos, Exegol seemingly only entered the picture a couple of months before filming started. In Abrams' preliminary drafts, Palpatine was actually being resurrected beneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, and the First Order Fleet was being constructed in space.

I truly wonder where the "Jedi Temple built on top of Sith shrine" bit of lore originated from because I remember reading about that in the Tarkin novel released in 2014. Curiously, I think that's where we got Sheev's first name too.

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Mar 18, 2009

Tbf the "Revan and Malak went to the Unknown Regions and encountered the True Sith" started with KOTOR 2, though it was Drew Karpyshan's crappy writing that explicitly made it so they were corrupted by the Emperor and killed off the Exile for no good reason :argh:

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Mar 18, 2009

Chairman Capone posted:

That also made me realize that I think the only time Vader's redemption is even mentioned in the sequels is indirectly by Palpatine at the end of TROS. I don't think the name Anakin is ever used, and Padme is also never mentioned. Those three omissions in a story ostensibly about Anakin's grandson trying to reconcile living up to his grandfather's legacy (as much as there's any single throughline of the sequels) is wild.

Nah in TLJ Rey brings up Vader's redemption a few times as evidence that A) the Jedi are worth saving and B) she could turn Ben back to the light like Luke did Anakin

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Mar 18, 2009

Rochallor posted:

I always thought this was strange; there's no way that could be common knowledge, especially to someone who grew up in the middle of nowhere. Rey was only on the planet for like 18 hours (as much as I love TLJ it was a major mistake to compress things to that degree) and it doesn't seem like Luke would be in the mood to talk about it.

Maybe R2 or Chewie gave her a primer on the way over :shrug:

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jan 7, 2022

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Mar 18, 2009

Chairman Capone posted:

I am curious about who the average Wookieepedia editor is these days, given the site is almost 17 (!) years old now and I have to imagine a lot of the old guard who really built it up aren't around any more. I always felt like hardcore wiki editors were more common in 90s/early 00s fan culture.

All I know is a couple of the old guard got kicked out when they refused to let an artist change the dead name on their Wookieepedia entry. Good riddance.

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Mar 18, 2009

I finished The Fallen Star today and it was... alright, I guess. Felt like Gray was still in junior-novel mode by how many characters she had go on random inner monologues to establish characterization for a later moment. Really came together by the ending though.

RIP to funny Jedi daycare worker/jailer, cool totally-not-a-grey-Jedi lady, Jedi Wookiee, Jedi Wookiee's master, all those people in the top half of the station, and finally, the one person keeping Elzar and Avar from loving :wave:

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Mar 18, 2009

I mean the conversation with Ahsoka pretty clearly indicates that A) any positive momentum by Grogu is mainly just him remembering his Jedi teachings from decades ago, and B) that Luke really doesn't have much of an idea what he's doing

Keep in mind that this is Luke's second attempt at an apprentice after Leia lol

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Mar 18, 2009

Casimir Radon posted:

I don’t remember when TROS stated that flashback takes place because I’m never watching that movie again.

Unfortunately, I remember

In that flashback, Leia tells Luke she can't be a Jedi because it would cause the death of her unborn son

Mando/Boba take place at a time when Ben would be ~5 years old, so...

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