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Kyp wasn't even the best new character in his debut trilogy. Then again I'm the weirdo who unironically loves Admiral Daala and her batshit lunacy and how everyone is afraid of her despite getting punked at every turn.
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He's the surviving Y Wing pilot from A New Hope.
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Dec 19, 2020 03:38
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Cross-Section posted:Oops, I think I confused him with Maarek Stele there Stele and Farlander aren't that different as they're blank slate force sensitive pilots. Stele is just more of a fascist since he joined the Emperor's Gestapo.
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One of the things I really like about Tie Fighter is that it has a fairly insidious story to it when you start looking at it more closely. It shares a lot with the Verhoeven Starship Troopers film where if you're not careful you can get swept up in its own propaganda and start seeing yourself as a noble defender of order and prosperity rather than as a violent oppressor. Super Bunny Hop did a video on Tie Fighter a few years ago but his recent video on Star Wars Squadrons does a deeper dive into how hosed up parts of Tie Fighter got when looked at from the outside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84hM3t2j1RM
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Dec 22, 2020 02:52
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That is the correct way to engage with Fate of the Jedi unless you really want to read Troy Denning's depiction of a Jedi doing a Mortal Kombat fatality on a Mandalorian because he and Traviss were still having a pissing match.
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Admiral Daala somehow becomes the head of the Galactic Alliance and exiles Luke for his Jedi order causing problems. Meanwhile new Jedi apprentices are starting to go crazy and developing unusual force powers so Daala enlists a Mandalorian strike team to lock down the temple and then one of the Jedi loses their mind and goes all Kano and uses the force to shove his hand into the Mando and rip it up.
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Angry_Ed posted:Ok now which plot points were written by Traviss and which are Denning The Traviss/Denning spat started in Legacy of the Force. Denning is very big on Jedi and Traviss was very not big on Jedi and was more or less the main writer for Mando content at the time. Legacy and Fate were both written round robin by trios of authors and they had almost no planning on what each author would do. Traviss would denigrate Jedi and Denning in turn tried to kill off Traviss's characters in his books, to the point where he had Mandalore virus bombed to specifically kill any living being with a hint of Jango Fett DNA. Traviss did not get on well with fans and coined the term "Talifans" to refer to her detractors, so for a while there was a big flame war on the Jedi Council Forums until Traviss quit posting there. Around the same time that all this was happening season 2 of Clone Wars happened and rewrote a lot of Mandalorian canon, at the time basically nullifying all of Traviss's plotlines in her standalone Republic Commando novels. After Legacy of the Force ended she had one more novel out called Imperial Commando and then she quit writing for star wars as everything she was working on got canceled. Fate of the Jedi kept going for a while before the Legends label was created and Denning continued to take potshots at Traviss's writing by turning Mandalorians into glorified stormtrooper thugs for his pet Jedi characters to beat up. And that's where the mortal kombat fatality happened. The whole thing was very stupid and very embarrassing and I haven't read anything from either author since because of it. Traviss does not take criticism well and I will never forgive Denning for writing sexual assault against a teenager into a loving Star Wars novel.
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Dec 23, 2020 02:32
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The old thread was called Bugnest Orgies for a reason.
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I mean who wouldn't be?
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Xenomrph posted:What was this teenage sexual assault thing? That's pretty messed up. Takes place during Invincible when Tahiri Veila was working for Jacen Solo because he let her have time travel Force Sex with Anakin Solo before he died. She straps Ben Skywalker down to a Vong Torture rack, puts on a leather dominatrix outfit and shoves her hand down his pants. She's in her thirties, he's fourteen. This is also the book that wants us to feel sorry for Tahiri later on and ends with Daala becoming president of the Alliance and Jacen Solo getting thrown into a vat of used syringes before his whole family watches his corpse get dumped into an incinerator. As for Traviss, I'll defend her RepCom books because if there's one place that her writing style is justified, it's coming from POV characters with extremely embedded biases and their highly impressionable followers. Imperial Commando 501st isn't a very good book but I did like how Jedi Master Zey finally stood up to the Mandos and called them out for being self righteous weirdos with a persecution complex. But for LOTF it just does not work at all to have Jaina Solo decide that the best person to teach her how to kill a Jedi is loving Boba Fett. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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thrawn527 posted:I just read the full plot description for Invincible, and that whole thing sounds like a series of yikes followed by wtfs, one right after another. The whole series was like that? Ehh, the Aaron Allston books in the series were okay? Maybe?
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Denning also has a hard on for ultraviolence bordering on torture porn. There's the one Jedi killed by his bipolar twilek pet character and she's left as a headless limitless stump in an open park. And the Kano fatality and Jacen's death were all done by him. You also have Crucible which can best be described as Han and alliance undergo immense physical agony for three hundred pages and also this is the end of Legends EU.
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Dec 23, 2020 18:24
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The Pellaeon is one of the best Star Destroyers and the Fel Empire was pretty neat.
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Man the JCF is such a mess of a forum. I know we give Jivjov poo poo a lot on SA but the nutjobs i encountered on JCF were loving insane.
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Halo books are weird because they acknowledge that the UNSC is fascist as gently caress but its played entirely straight and every action the UNSC takes is somehow justified even in the postwar period when humanity and the Elites aren't at each other's throats. Traviss and Denning are a perfect fit. I read her Kilo 5 novels for Halo and didn't much care for them. With Denning I didn't even bother. Traviss also wrote for Gears of War and Gears 3 has a surprisingly good story that she penned for the game. The COG in Gears is also fascist as gently caress but the setting does treat them as major assholes even when set against the genocidal Locust Horde. Traviss gets poo poo in Gears for the birthing camps bit of worldbuilding but I'm not going to fault her for it because unlike Halo, which doesn't always hold the UNSC to account, the COG are outright villainous a lot of the time and the books and games treat the birthing camps and postwar breeding programs as gross human rights abuses. What I can fault Traviss for in Gears is that she latches onto another "nomad warrior culture" like she did with the Mandalorians by making the Pasangas? (The guys that Tai was from in Gears 2) into her new pet characters that the game protagonists fawn over.
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You're reading Shadows of Reach? The only thing that interests me from that book is how it relates to the Banished being the antagonists in Halo Infinite. I read the synopsis and it sounded really dumb. Good to know that its also a slog to read.
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Xenomrph posted:Speaking of Halo books, wasn’t there a Forerunner trilogy or something? Was that worthwhile? It's a very different set of books from the other Halo novels. It deals with the Forerunners downfall, the origin of the Flood and the fate of ancient humanity. So the books stretch over thousands of years, Dune style as humanity goes up against Forerunners while fleeing from the Flood and then thousands more years pass after. It's a lot more high concept science fiction than the mil-sf of most Halo novels. I'm not a fan of some of the developments that happen in the books but they're pretty much required reading if you want to understand half of what is talked about in Halo 4 and Halo 5. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to you.
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Offensive Bias is the good one who was made to kill the evil Bias. But I mean with a name like Mendicant he was going to be evil no matter what.
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Well the contender class constructs could operate multiple platforms. One of the theories is that the Mendicant platform still with the Flood is actually inside the Domain and he's infected Cortana with the Logic Plague, if she wasn't already infected during her stay on High Charity.
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And then you have the UNSC Say My Name which i love for how cheesy it is. I'm wondering if there should be a general thread for franchise tie-in fiction. Beyond Star Wars or 40K theres a lot of tie in novels and comics that probably couldn't support a thread on their own but might be decent as part of a general discussion zone
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Super Bunnyhop's description of the Doom novels makes me want to read them and experience the demon slaying adventures of Mormon DoomGuy and DoomGirl. I'm no good at making threads, just talking within them about stuff. I wouldn't know where to start making a tie in fiction thread.
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Snoke clone is fun to say, though.
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George Kansas posted:Instead let's just make this thread the combination star wars books thread and halo books thread, imho. But then how could we talk about the Doom novels or the Borderlands and Star Trek books.
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George Kansas posted:I guess for me this is just sci-fi vs. fantasy. I like bad licensed sci-fi a lot more than I like bad licensed fantasy. You don't want to read about the nineteenth time Drizzt survived impossible odds because he was a sexy drow?
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I'll start working on a thread OP when I get home. Not much I can do from a phone.
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Thats why the 7th episode of season 2 of Mando is fantastic. It starts by setting up a thesis that the Empire and New Republic aren't so different in the eyes of the regular everyday person. Then you get a vicious pirate attack on an imperial convoy followed by a heroic rescue by tie fighters and a motorcade full of cheering Imperial diehards. Its a major moment of dissonance where you are seeing the other side being the underdogs and celebrating a hard earned win like actual people and not a bunch of fanatical tyrants. But then you start peeling back the layers, hearing about what the Empire did to its own personnel during Operation Cinder, listening to the sociopathic officer talking the party line with total conviction and the you realize that, even if the Empire is made up of people you can empathize with, it is still wrong and the New Republic is an improvement even if it is a shambling mess. Those pirates were local fighters destroying the convoys rather than stealing it and in any other context they would be heroic. Decent people can still work for the wrong side.
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Hence why The Believer rocks. Because they might be people but they're still space nazis and Bill Burr does the right thing shooting them all. Because gently caress em. Being human doesn't make you right.
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The Principality of Zeon was also the first and last time that the everyday combatants against the Earth Federation had that excuse. Anyone raising the flag for Zeon after the war were in the same boat as the Imperial Remnant in Mando: die hard fascists who couldn't accept that they had lost
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Gripweed posted:You really should read Gundam Thunderbolt. A lot of Zeon Remnants couldn't accept that they had lost because they had given everything to the war. They had nothing left. They weren't die-hard fascists, they were broken. And the Earth Sphere was so hosed up from the One Year War it's not like they had many other options. Keep fighting or go try not to starve in a refugee camp The ceasefire with Zeon and the establishment of the Republic was quick and sloppy and pretty much all of the land based Zeon units that couldn't evacuate to space were left to die by the principality. I'm talking the ravenous lunatics like the Delaz fleet or Axis/Neo Zeon that were more than willing to use earth based remnants as cannon fodder for their ideals rather than bring them home. It happened in 0083, it happened in ZZ and it happened in Unicorn until they were pretty much all dead. The thunderbolt remnants aren't much better but at least they have a bigger immediate worry than federation persecution with the South Sea fanatics blowing poo poo up. I like Daryl, don't mistake that, but the remnants are a, pitiable doomed to failure group of wrecks who never learned to let go and in the end they're just another casualty.
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Xenomrph posted:Tone: Grimdark/buckets of blood Troy Denning is that you?
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:Did Dooku ever get more than a mononym? Or is he just... Dooku? Depends on the Jedi. Ki Adi Mundi got special permission to have a harem because Cereans had extremely low birth rates and they kept track of every member of the species. Ki Adi Mundi hosed. As for the Ahsoka thing you mentioned, it was during the episodes with the Zygerrian slavers where they put ahsoka in a slave Leia outfit and she kept talking about how she wanted to save all the Torgruta slaves because they were her people like it was a Star Trek "planet of hats" situation. I've never liked ascribing a single trait to an entire species and then treating them as a unanimous cultural identity. It just feels weird to see Ahsoka act like she has a personal connection with them because they're the same species, rather than out if a general sense of compassion. It's not like Ahsoka ever shared a kinship with Shaak-Ti. I don't think they even speak to each other once on TCW. Not that Ahsoka had many relationships with other characters than Obi Wan Anakin and Rex to begin with, mind you. It's part of why I like Mandalorians and how different they are depending on who is writing them. It was a real treat seeing the Mando TV show embrace the confusion over who is truly Mando by showing multiple points of view from Din, Bo Katan and Fett. Specifically calling it a creed instead of a race or species contained to one planet put a big grin on my face during the season 1 finale. They feel more like an actual culture, with multiple opinions and splinter groups and a changing role over time as the galaxy moves on. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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In atmosphere hyperspace jump.
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I've played XWing. Your MGLT meter goes through the roof as you accelerate to light speed before the stars warp and you enter hyperspace.
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The Malevolence hyperspace rammed a planet and it had to speed up a bit before smacking into the surface.
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If they wanted space Republicans they could have just used the Ripoblus from Tie Fighter.
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Theres lesser and greater Krayt Dragons and apparently the big one on Mando still has legs.
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Like Dac and Mon Calamari and Mon Cala are all the same planet.
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thrawn527 posted:When you say you just finished the extended universe, what are you referring to? Not trying to be an rear end, genuinely curious. He's copypasted in a few threads with variations on the same setup and question I dont think you're going to get an honest answer.
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Drone posted:I had a flatmate in college who used to do this to me randomly in public. Stole their slogan from the Vogons.
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