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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:"The most real Greeks" lmao what is this racist poo poo. It's like how the Quebecois speak the most pure French. People from France will freely admit that. This is distinct from them also judging people speaking Quebecois French and viewing them as hayseeds instead of cultured speakers of Parisian French. Life is complicated like that. It's not racist, it's just how it is perceived by people within the culture since, ultimately, none of this poo poo is real anyway on like an ontological level. We build constructs like race and ethnicity and then we reify them and confuse the reality we've constructed with the reality that is. Going with the intersubjective reality that we all mutually create these statements are uncontroversial from the cultures that create them. Imposing them from without *would* be racist but recognizing how a culture sees itself is not racist. VinylonUnderground fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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VinylonUnderground posted:I feel like that misses the ethnic component. While American Catholics have traded a fair amount of their identity in exchange for whiteness, there is still a difference between St. Mary's (cabbage), St. Mary's (snail), St. Mary's (sauerkraut), St. Mary's (Screendoor + submarine). But that trend hasn't really extended to the Orthodox communities so advocating what are essentially tourists invading Greek, Russian, Ethiopian, etc. spaces seems like a really bad idea. Most religions believe that they possess the universal truth of how things really work and the actual practitioners love it when other when people decide that that actually is probably how the universe works.
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Yeah, it's just, when I say it's a heresy in Orthodoxy, I mean our bishops actually got together and declared it a heresy in the 1800's to make ethnicity more important than theology. A Russian is just as Orthodox in a Greek parish as he is in a Russian one. It doesn't always work out that way in practice--I'm told my parish used to be very unfriendly to Russians--but it's how it should work. Technically, there shouldn't even be overlapping ethnic jurisdictions like there are in the US; there's ancient canon law forbidding one bishop from stepping into another's territory. It's mostly various historical accidents and ethnocentrisms that caused this, when ideally there'd be one unified American Orthodox Church. There's the Orthodox Church in America--in my neck of the woods, it's almost 100% convert--but somebody other than Russia would have to recognize them as autocephalous for them to be more than one jurisdiction among many. And autocephaly is already its own awkwardness in the Church right now (see also, Ukraine)
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Most religions believe that they possess the universal truth of how things really work and the actual practitioners love it when other when people decide that that actually is probably how the universe works. Theoretically but not really and since the goods they are selling are all bullshit that doesn't really matter. The cultural components, on the other hand, are quite valuable. Religions are at their worst when they are truth-dispensing machines. They are good when they are community-building machines. As a function of being community-building machines, they have an off-label use as culture-preserving and -promoting machines. In the modern world I see the greatest value of religions as cultural curators. They are great museum pieces. Anomie/alienation basically means that the community-building component has been co-opted by the truth-dispensing part and that's really loving ugly. That's why you have a lot of sincerely believing Catholic groups basically behaving like Protestants in America while the agnostic institutions are doing real good.
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Keromaru5 posted:Yeah, it's just, when I say it's a heresy in Orthodoxy, I mean our bishops actually got together and declared it a heresy in the 1800's to make ethnicity more important than theology. A Russian is just as Orthodox in a Greek parish as he is in a Russian one. It doesn't always work out that way in practice--I'm told my parish used to be very unfriendly to Russians--but it's how it should work. I don't think we disagree about the reality of the situation. We just disagree about how the "is" that we both recognize relates to "oughts" we value.
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VinylonUnderground posted:It's like how the Quebecois speak the most pure French. People from France will freely admit that. This is distinct from them also judging people speaking Quebecois French and viewing them as hayseeds instead of cultured speakers of Parisian French. Do you have anything to quantify this or are you just talking out your rear end because as a Canadian I’ve heard the exact loving opposite of what you just said.
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the corona quid posted:Do you have anything to quantify this or are you just talking out your rear end because as a Canadian I’ve heard the exact loving opposite of what you just said. Ask any Quebecois who has spent significant time in Paris. It's pretty widespread. A two second google will demonstrate what I'm talking about. What do you mean by "quantify"? It's not like there is a "real" French. It's all just based on perception and varying degrees of chauvinism. I'm guessing you are a non-quebecois canadian? making GBS threads on quebecois is a thing so my guess would be that is the source. But that's outsiders making GBS threads in as opposed to insiders making GBS threads in. Very different things.
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Merry Christmas! I actually did go to physical mass, if you signed up ahead of time they had designated seating and everybody was wearing their protective stuff. It was honestly astonishing to see any number of people together in one place in person again.
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The Catholics I've known were an odd bunch, in that they all had the specific and labyrinthine rules of the church memorized backwards and forwards and ignored every one in favor of just doing whatever
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Cosmik Slop posted:The Catholics I've known were an odd bunch, in that they all had the specific and labyrinthine rules of the church memorized backwards and forwards and ignored every one in favor of just doing whatever 
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VinylonUnderground posted:Ask any Quebecois who has spent significant time in Paris. It's pretty widespread. A two second google will demonstrate what I'm talking about. loving lmao at all of this. First of all, my parents neighbours for ten years were transplants from Quebec, they were the first ones to admit Quebec French is backwards as gently caress compared to traditional French. Second, I love Montreal and Quebec. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could. Montreal is absolutely the best part of Canada by any objective measure. Nice assumptions though buddy. I’m guessing you’re an American who likely has never left the country. Typical American projecting themselves onto other cultures with zero context.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:"The most real Greeks" lmao what is this racist poo poo. Unironic phrenology but for catholicism
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Pick posted:Merry Christmas! I actually did go to physical mass, if you signed up ahead of time they had designated seating and everybody was wearing their protective stuff. It was honestly astonishing to see any number of people together in one place in person again. Gratz on pre-ordering which seat you get in your super-spreader event.
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the corona quid posted:loving lmao at all of this. LOL, you've got your neighbor whose internalized anti-Quebecois rhetoric and I've got Jean-Denis Gendron. "Backwards" is a fair description. It's phonemes have changed less than metropolitan French since the 1700s. I do like that you count your tourism as evidence for your expertise.
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"Pure" and "backwards" are the exact same thing looked at from different perspectives, you dipshits aren't even actually arguing with each other.
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Cosmik Slop posted:The Catholics I've known were an odd bunch, in that they all had the specific and labyrinthine rules of the church memorized backwards and forwards and ignored every one in favor of just doing whatever I think this is a John Mulaney bit, but on the few occasions when I’ve gone to church within the past few years I’ve gotten tripped up by the whole “and with your spirit” thing
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Pick posted:Merry Christmas! I actually did go to physical mass, if you signed up ahead of time they had designated seating and everybody was wearing their protective stuff. It was honestly astonishing to see any number of people together in one place in person again. i'm rolling out to midnight mass here in about 10 minutes so i just popped in to say merry christmas as well. hope you have a good one, pick.  midnight mass is the only one my type-1 diabetic rear end feels even remotely safe heading to because nobody's there lmao
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VinylonUnderground posted:That's not really true. My Muslim buddies all basically dropped out because all the Mosques here are entirely built by and for people from the old country and are really unwelcoming to even 2nd generation Americanized muslims. Likewise, there are plenty of non-proselytizing religions and plenty where conversion is straight-up impossible. just as a footnote i can personally attest that less centralized religions can somewhat paradoxically feel more restrictive in this way. not just with islam, but many protestant sects as well, i saw this first-hand during my aforementioned religious exploration in my 20s. there are liberal muslims the same way there are forward-thinking catholics and there are hyper-conservative muslims the same way there are brimstoner catholics. but since the imam ultimately has a monopoly on that brand of moral authority in that neighborhood, if the imam is not in the mood to brook a philosophical discussion and says gently caress you, that's kind of the end of it. two imams that are feuding with one another for whatever reason can definitely level the accusation that people who go to that other mosque are not 'real' muslims for whatever reason and that's something that will carry weight with the respective congregations. the same is true for two evangelical or baptist preachers that get into a pissing contest for whatever reason. the monastic hierarchy of catholicism means that any catholic priest that tries something like that is going to be looked at real weird by his fans, laughed at by his detractors, and told to shut the gently caress up by his superiors unless he wants to launch an ecumenical investigation. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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VinylonUnderground posted:LOL, you've got your neighbor whose internalized anti-Quebecois rhetoric and I've got Jean-Denis Gendron. I mean clearly you've lived in Canada all your life, dealt with the very legitimate political divide between Quebec versus the rest of Canada as a result of the separation movement and the initial aggression towards it in the 70s and then placation towards it in the 80s and 90s and then the subsequent decline of that movement going forward and the cultural rift that caused within Canadian culture as a result. So you definitely understand the nuances of the broad spectrum of Canadian culture despite never experiencing it and reading some poo poo somebody as equally ignorant as you posted on a leftist discord that you frequent and taken that as complete reality. I always find it ironic as hell that people like you are the first people to rally against the impact and destruction of colonialism from your keyboard in America without appreciating the irony of you imposing your very limited world view onto the people who have lived and experienced in these cultures you've never even seen as if your false version of events are fact. It's like the bible says, those without sin can cast the first stone.
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As an interesting side note Quebec being predominantly Catholic is what guaranteed the Catholics a right to a separate school system in Canada which is ultimately what led to me being raised Catholic. My mom was convinced the Catholics did better at school and after her dissatisfaction with her then current church made the switch.
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As a nonpracticing Catholic the part where Jesus is on the cross and went "oh, and guys need to raw dog it always." comes in real handy.Cosmik Slop posted:The Catholics I've known were an odd bunch, in that they all had the specific and labyrinthine rules of the church memorized backwards and forwards and ignored every one in favor of just doing whatever I didn't check the last few pages but did anyone discuss the pre-wedding retreat and workbook they make you do if you want a Church Wedding? Because it's pretty good stuff.
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FilthyImp posted:
That poo poo suuuuuuuuuuuuucked
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I think a lot of people at my pre Cana seminar had to bite their tongues during the Natural Family Planning segment, especially when the woman said “I’ve had so many men come up to me and tell me that they respected their wives so much more after they switched from birth control to NFP!” Also our seminar had an elderly gentleman who nearly had a nervous breakdown throughout his presentation because his wife of 60 years was dying in the hospital at the time 
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Cosmik Slop posted:The Catholics I've known were an odd bunch, in that they all had the specific and labyrinthine rules of the church memorized backwards and forwards and ignored every one in favor of just doing whatever lol, if you went to catholic school, you will never forget a lot of this useless bullshit
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I think the Catholic Church having its bizarre weird quirk poo poo is what tends to produce the sort of soft core practicing Catholics that can ignore all the rules. The side effect of that of course is that my coworker also only eats fish on fridays, and this came up purely through me bringing up how nobody gets the filet-o-fish at McDonald’s and she said she loves them and they’re a life saver for her every Friday lol.
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Who What Now posted:That poo poo suuuuuuuuuuuuucked Though I did appreciate the Priest in charge being pretty cool and doing his best to be like "hey fyi the *most important* reason The Church has marriage is so y'all can gently caress and make more Catholics...and we recognize that as ♀️➕♂️... so whatever other legal definitions and combinations for marriage in *secular society* don't apply to Church Marriages because that's its own thing" the corona quid posted:this came up purely through me bringing up how nobody gets the filet-o-fish at McDonald’s FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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So I guess criticizing Pre-Cana classes as a waste of time is something trads and goons can agree on.
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reignonyourparade posted:"Pure" and "backwards" are the exact same thing looked at from different perspectives, you dipshits aren't even actually arguing with each other. I agree with you and I've made that pretty clear. The other guy just thinks that because he used to live next to a Quebecois family and he likes to visit there occasionally he's an expert. It's pretty sad.
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BBC is the only atheist member of opus dei, lmao
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Because I just can't stop eating cats OP I hope someone enjoys this joke
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Flowers for QAnon posted:BBC is the only atheist member of opus dei, lmao 
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FilthyImp posted:As a nonpracticing Catholic the part where Jesus is on the cross and went "oh, and guys need to raw dog it always." comes in real handy. They didnt make us do that in our parish, but we had to attend like 6 lectures in a 6 week period. Funny thing was that like at least half of the couples there already had children.
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I had to do the lectures thingy because my wife’s mom is a super conservative Catholic and we decided it was easier to placate her by getting married in Church than fight a stupid battle. I got a lot of poo poo from the priest because of my at the time profession, but I kept my mouth shut and earned my wife’s eternal gratitude for that.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:I had to do the lectures thingy because my wife’s mom is a super conservative Catholic and we decided it was easier to placate her by getting married in Church than fight a stupid battle. I got a lot of poo poo from the priest because of my at the time profession, but I kept my mouth shut and earned my wife’s eternal gratitude for that. What were you back then, a carpenter or something?
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gently caress off Batman posted:What were you back then, a carpenter or something? Backalley abortionist
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Backalley abortionist Well, no wonder they were upset, you were activelly killing off their dates.
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Holy Jesus gently caress what did this thread bacame. Please Lord forgive and bless everyone in this thread, not even ironically because eh it won't hurt you. Whaa I was trying to say that mind you I have no science to back me up my opnion is Orthodox priests have lawful god ordained right to gently caress their wives, should be less inclined to gently caress children. I THINK.
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Captain Jesus posted:They didnt make us do that in our parish, but we had to attend like 6 lectures in a 6 week period. Funny thing was that like at least half of the couples there already had children. Now I know why that thing was so long.
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Keromaru5 posted:So I guess criticizing Pre-Cana classes as a waste of time is something trads and goons can agree on. Good article. Atheist Catholic here. I always thought it was dumb that there was so much gatekeeping of things like marriage and baptism. Should they want you to go through the sacrament rather than do it with a "celebrant" at the Registrar's Office? I even went to a wedding where the priest used his homily to basically berate everyone in attendance for being godless. I'm sure the happy couple really appreciated that, dude.
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