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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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I think the real metric should be what hall of fame defensive backs say about the wide receivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdeifvGtRHk

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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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This works for other positions, as well. Evidence that Larry Allen was the greatest presented by Justin Tuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6avsAUST4&t=120s

CocoaNuts
Jun 12, 2020

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think the real metric should be what hall of fame defensive backs say about the wide receivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdeifvGtRHk

Depends on the era of the DB. Aqib Talib gives the nod to Megatron while also giving DeAndre Hopkins props. Patrick Peterson also puts Megatron right up there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j3_LGSuQpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STwZG2RUm-o

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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CocoaNuts posted:

Depends on the era of the DB. Aqib Talib gives the nod to Megatron while also giving DeAndre Hopkins props. Patrick Peterson also puts Megatron right up there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j3_LGSuQpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STwZG2RUm-o

This has already been covered. Megatron is a quitter, and quitters aren't in the conversation of the best.

I can't blame him for quitting because what else are you going to do stuck on the lions?

Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.
IMO if you’re not Rice level then you shouldn’t be in the HOF. Moss and Owens are frauds.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Nystral posted:

IMO if you’re not Rice level then you shouldn’t be in the HOF. Moss and Owens are frauds.

Nah, Rice even and odd years individually are the threshold for HoF status.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Have TO or Moss ever done something as funny as this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icEGsuxHIKA

Quiet Feet
Dec 14, 2009

THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?





Nick Foles is the best receiver in Super Bowl history as he has caught 100% of touchdowns thrown his way in the Big Game.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




I'm saddened that Andre Johnson gets no love. That dude was a Megatron-tier athletic freak that hard carried some mediocre Texans teams into the playoffs. He should get way more recognition.

He also beat the poo poo out of Courtland Finnegan, which should bump him up the all time list.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Mr. Nice! posted:

This works for other positions, as well. Evidence that Larry Allen was the greatest presented by Justin Tuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6avsAUST4&t=120s

This is an A+ watch.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Kirios posted:

I'm saddened that Andre Johnson gets no love. That dude was a Megatron-tier athletic freak that hard carried some mediocre Texans teams into the playoffs. He should get way more recognition.

He also beat the poo poo out of Courtland Finnegan, which should bump him up the all time list.

He comes into the league a few years later and I think he gets that recognition. He was just on too many lovely texans teams for people to notice.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Andre Johnson loving owned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJpG82Umqo


He's one of the top WRs of all time, but I don't think he's quite in the tier we're talking about here.


Where do people put Larry Fitzgerald?

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

larry frankgoreald

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.

Paint Crop Pro posted:

As far as physical attributes moss was the greatest ever.

People forget that Randy was ungodly fast. Like, special fast

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

It really comes down to an argument between the importance of the highest peak (Moss) and consistent league-top production (Rice). I am a TO stan and he was loving incredible, better than Megatron, but he can't compete with these two.

I give it to Moss.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
I would put Andre #6, as a floor. You could talk me into 5.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
No recever had it better in terms of QB support over a long career than Jerry Rice and it's not even close. He was great and deserves credit for his durability but is overhyped to a silly level IMO. It's like Emmitt getting all the rushing titles by being durable and running behind a god tier OL for years.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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sean10mm posted:

No recever had it better in terms of QB support over a long career than Jerry Rice and it's not even close. He was great and deserves credit for his durability but is overhyped to a silly level IMO. It's like Emmitt getting all the rushing titles by being durable and running behind a god tier OL for years.

Emmitt was better than Barry in the only department it mattered - heart. Emmitt didn't quit.

He also tips like every single person that serves him $100 anytime his family goes out to eat.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Mr. Nice! posted:

Emmitt was better than Barry in the only department it mattered - heart. Emmitt didn't quit.

He also tips like every single person that serves him $100 anytime his family goes out to eat.

Also goal line carries lol

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


well, i've added up the Advanced Metrics and it turns out that Randy Moss is much cooler than boring-rear end male pattern baldness jerry rice. Dude was good on Tecmo Super bowl though.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
2007 Moss was obviously less physically talented then Vikings era Moss and he still styled on everyone constantly lmao

Younger Randy Moss was definitely more agile, on top of being a jump ball god and having infinite straight line speed.

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

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All the combine stuff im showing says Randy was clocked at 4.38 40.

But there are a bunch of other places which say he ran a 4.25 40 which is crazy.

Also his vertical was 47 inches :stare:

(Michael Jordan had a vert of 48 inches for comparison)

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


this is one of the single coolest things i have ever seen a football player do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXcGNVpblQ4

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

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R.D. Mangles posted:

this is one of the single coolest things i have ever seen a football player do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXcGNVpblQ4

Ill always remember watching 1998 Thanksgiving vs the Cowboys.

Randy: 3 Catches 163 Yards 3 TDS.

The Plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcBDSFgl12I

The very funny Randy Remembering the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbcX6C1jyV8

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
Top WRs of all time:
1. Jerry Rice
2. Randy Moss
3. Calvin Johnson
4. Terrell Owens
5. Andre Johnson
6. Larry Fitzgerald
7. Antonio Brown
8. Roddy White
9. Steve Smith
10. Reggie Wayne

The list is pretty thin because nothing before 2000 matters (except Rice) and there's a ton of overrated guys that were just possession receivers (Marvin Harrison, Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward). Hell D.K. Metcalf, Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, DeAndre Hopkins, Davante Adams, and Keenan Allen would produce better than the 8-10 slot if inserted back in time. Even Antonio Brown should probably be #3 on that list but whatever. I'd bump Larry up more but he was always great but never elite. I'd rather have all those dudes ranked ahead of him over him. He's the Emmitt Smith of WRs.

Darth Brooks
Jan 15, 2005

I do not wear this mask to protect me. I wear it to protect you from me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdeifvGtRHk

Deangelo Hall was known as a fast guy and the sound of his utter defeat when dealing with getting mossed is just hilarious.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!
Roddy White? Hmmm

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

King of the OPI

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

sean10mm posted:

No recever had it better in terms of QB support over a long career than Jerry Rice and it's not even close. He was great and deserves credit for his durability but is overhyped to a silly level IMO. It's like Emmitt getting all the rushing titles by being durable and running behind a god tier OL for years.

Ringz bitch!

Pretty amazing that all 3 are 49ers legends though

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.



a neat cape posted:

King of the OPI

Please that is Torrey Smith

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo

MakaVillian posted:

Ringz bitch!

Pretty amazing that all 3 are 49ers legends though
on the flipside nobody remembers rice playing for the broncos for a minute

FUCKFACE MORON fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Dec 26, 2020

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
1) Randy Moss
2) Pre injury Kenny Britt

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib
Rice had 1200 yards as a 40 year old which is bonkers

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Rice
Owens
Moss
[Driver :blush:]

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Big Beef City posted:

Rice
Owens
Moss
[Driver :blush:]

Which poster was it that had “ask me about donald driver’s log of a cock” or whatever for the longest time?

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
Hilario Baldness

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Rice’s stats with non-Marino/Young QBs are still pretty insane

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

indigi posted:

Rice’s stats with non-Montana/Young QBs are still pretty insane

FTFY, but yeah, his numbers even with backups were nuts. PFR's old blog did an article on him when he went into the Hall of Fame and they broke it down, as well as the even year/odd year thing.

quote:

In 1986, Rice's second season, Montana suffered a severe back injury in week one that nearly ended his career. Jeff Kemp (6) and Mike Moroski (2) started half of the season before Montana came back. In those eight games, Rice caught 40 passes for 820 yards and 9 TDs. Over sixteen games, 80 receptions, 1640 yards and 18 TDs would have been the most impressive season by any receiver in the league. Excluding Rice (who had 86-1570-15), Stanley Morgan had the second most receiving yards (1491) and Wesley Walker was second in receiving touchdowns (12). And yes, to those observant readers, Rice's numbers that season were better without a gimpy Montana than with one.

Montana and Young would start every non-strike game over the next four seasons, so let's skip ahead to 1991. Montana had a season-ending elbow injury in the pre-season and Young injured his knee in mid-season. Steve Bono started six games for the 49ers, and Rice caught 33 passes for 415 yards and four scores playing with Bono. After losing their first start under Bono, the 49ers would win their next five games. Pro-rated over 16 games, Rice (88 receptions, 1107 yards, 10.7 TDs) would have ranked 4th, 8th and 5th in receptions, receiving yards and receiving TDs with Bono.

In 1995, Young went down again, and this time Elvis Grbac took over. In five starts, Rice put up an absurd 31-550-4, for a pro-rated 99-1760-12.8 (actual 122-1848-15). Those 1760 receiving yards would be good enough for #2 all-time on the single-season list.

Young missed four more starts in 1996, with Grbac again picking up the slack. Rice scored in every game, and caught 27 passes for 322 yards and 5 scores. The pro-rated Rice would have led the league with his 108 catches and ranked 4th with his 1288 yards; his 20 TDs would outpace the #2 man by six scores. The actual Rice had 108-1254-8.

So for 5 seasons, Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1) starting 24 games for the 49ers. In exactly a year and a half's worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That's an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. And, of course, only 25% of those games came during what we would typically call a wide receiver's prime. Eighteen of those 24 games that he played without Montana or Young came during Rice's first or second season, or when he was 33- or 34-years old. In '95 and '96, playing at an age when most receivers start slowing down, catching passes from Elvis Grbac, and playing with Derek Loville and Terry Kirby at RB, Rice put up numbers that could arguably pass for the best season of Cris Carter's or Steve Largent's career.

And then there are the Jeff Garcia and the Rich Gannon years.

CocoaNuts
Jun 12, 2020
Fitz sets a new record:

https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1342964703383834624

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Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
Huh, if Rice had stayed healthy his whole career he'd only have 18. Missed by one in his rookie year.

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