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Neon Belly posted:Do people play Arena? Nah. BSG looked at the landscape of competitive shooters (CS, Valorant, even Overwatch etc) and decided that they'd implement their own take on a progression system into the competitive mode. It's total nonsense, very frustrating and doesn't even approach the idea of creating a balanced metagame. Plus it has all of the desync & netcode problems that typical Tarkov has, which are barely acceptable in the main game but which undermine the very idea that arena is even remotely fair. All they had to do was recreate Counter-Strike with their excellent guns & ballistics models and they completely hosed it up. Something tells me they've been high on the success of EFT for a long time, thinking that it's success means they are innovators who don't need to iterate on games that came before them. Hubris and all that.
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it's not even their own take, it's basically just like warthunder progression slapped onto an arena tarkov mode
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SPTarkov Discord Announcements posted:Hey everyone, there is currently a massive influx of new users to both the Discord and SPT itself. gee I wonder why…
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tjones posted:Someone just posted clips of one of the tarkov streamers installing SPT live on twitch and another of Pestily recommending you buy crack or strippers with the $100 it would take for EOD owners to upgrade. The site has been loving awful today all day too. I think their servers are on fire with so many people downloading it. I did a 2nd, fresh install just to make sure I have a clean copy should the need arise.
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fknlo posted:Outside of the obvious contempt they've always had for the people that play their games, the theories speculating that this is to help recover from the bath they took developing arena for it to flop make a lot of sense. All the financials are public, the company is run out of the UK officially and you can literally see everything up the the most recent year. How much Nikita was paying himself etc etc..
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Ragnar Gunvald posted:All the financials are public, the company is run out of the UK officially and you can literally see everything up the the most recent year. How much Nikita was paying himself etc etc.. For some reason I'm reminded of the time Lowtax leased two Nissan GT-Rs as company cars for Something Awful LLC.
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The sub-reddit is a dumpster fire right now. Have not seen this level of vitriol in a long time. Rightfully so, I bought EoD years ago and this feels like a stab in the back.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:gee I wonder why… Klean was streaming while installing SPT and it was a clown show. Now he's playing it and having a great time
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I wonder if BSG can be reprimanded by the UKs trading standards for not including the "new game mode" as a DLC after promising it. I also see they said something about additional content in the future for EOD players, does that mean people who buy the insane edition lose stuff to the EOD people in the future. If so that's an absolute poo poo show too
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Apr 25, 2024 23:04
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quote:Unique item "Distress signal device": I feel like the scav thing is overshadowing this which seems way more disgusting
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Apr 25, 2024 23:22
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Ragnar Gunvald posted:I wonder if BSG can be reprimanded by the UKs trading standards for not including the "new game mode" as a DLC after promising it. Apparently BSG has now edited the EOD page to remove the "all future dlc included" line
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Apr 25, 2024 23:24
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30k people watching landmark poo poo on this again
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Apr 25, 2024 23:29
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Phoix posted:I feel like the scav thing is overshadowing this which seems way more disgusting Both are completely nuts
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Apr 25, 2024 23:42
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Arrath posted:Apparently BSG has now edited the EOD page to remove the "all future dlc included" line Why would they need to do that when it’s clearly a expansion and not a DLC? 
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Phoix posted:I feel like the scav thing is overshadowing this which seems way more disgusting The extras added onto Unheard are hilariously P2W, even by the already pretty blatant standards of EoD's stash and rep stuff.
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fknlo posted:30k people watching landmark poo poo on this again BSG are actively watching his stream and editing support pages on the site minutes after he looks at them lmao
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Apr 26, 2024 00:00
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Dang I just learned about this game, maybe now's not the time to get into it huh
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the actual game itself is mostly good and generally considered to be in the best state it has ever been in but lol you can set your watch by bsg managing to do like the stupidest poo poo on earth
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Count Thrashula posted:Dang I just learned about this game, maybe now's not the time to get into it huh Try Hunt: Showdown instead!
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Apr 26, 2024 00:21
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Now's a great time to play, people are just getting pissy over a video game they spend hundreds of hours in, asking for more money in exchange for items and game modes that will have a negligible impact on them.
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Aexo posted:Now's a great time to play, people are just getting pissy over a video game they spend hundreds of hours in, asking for more money in exchange for items and game modes that will have a negligible impact on them. projection. 90% likelyhood your pants were already pissed in when you typed this out. thats gross dude
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Aexo posted:Now's a great time to play, people are just getting pissy over a video game they spend hundreds of hours in, asking for more money in exchange for items and game modes that will have a negligible impact on them. Yeah, charging $250 for a completely digital video game is a perfectly reasonable idea
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Psycho Society posted:projection. 90% likelyhood your pants were already pissed in when you typed this out. thats gross dude A) Don't yuck my yum 2) I'm not pissy at all, I actually bought the Worse With Money Edition! I'm actually rather enjoying watching all these children going thermonuclear over the idea of something new to the game they purchased five or more years ago not being given to them for free. Orv posted:Yeah, charging $250 for a completely digital video game is a perfectly reasonable idea Or you could just... not buy it?
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im watching in real time people who have in the past poo poo on the pve/coop mods actively promoting them now that their favorite streamer or whatever has changed their tune and said good things about it lol today has been a great day for popcorn Psycho Society posted:tark citizen lol tjones fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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I think that's the plan for a lot of people. The issue is the new version has features in it which give people that do buy it an incredible advantage. - Getting 6+ rep with fence can be done in hours now with car extracts so not being shot at by scavs over 60 meters will happen quickly. That is a massive thing and I don't trust BSG to not gently caress it up and not include all AI in the mix. - Being able to call in friends whenever you want is potentially huge. Though it seems this might just be for the Co-op edition in which case lol that's useless. The co-op thing is a massive draw to people that are sick of cheaters or just want to experience Tarkov without the PvP (which is also a reason why my group of friends are so keen for Gray Zone). The EoD version was presented as "The Be All" edition and it is evident that is no longer true. I get that BSG hemorrhaged money from Arena but this isn't the way to recoup costs. If they'd have sold the co-op as a $50 addon, had the fence rep thing as a quest reward, and not had the Call In Friends device at all this would have been easier for people to swallow. They could have even had "unique ID" as a purchasable thing and people would have paid to have a blue name or whatever. Broken up into pieces and sold as separate addons would have made them more money, with less vitriol but they're not exactly masters of public relations. As it stands now people are going to feel lovely about it, tell BSG to get hosed and look for alternatives. If they don't find them they'll be back next wipe.
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Aexo posted:Or you could just... not buy it? Yeah? I’m not going to, it’s still an incredibly greedy and poo poo thing to do for literally any video game, much less one that’s already charged people way more than most games.
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Is it me or does all this nonsense feel really... antagonistic, somehow? Like "gently caress YOU, YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS? WE'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT."
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Aexo posted:Or you could just... not buy it? no idea what bootlickers like you get out of playing defense for the worst business practices in the games industry. it comes up every time a company pulls some poo poo and it's baffling every time.
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its some kind brain disease peculiar to reddit and I am surprised each time i see it here in the games forum of sa dot com
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Locking a game mode behind a $436 AUD purchase sure is a decision
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I get that BSG sold EOD as containing all DLC, but this new thing is not DLC. It's literally the same game with the same quests, just with a few different perks that will barely impact those folks who don't purchase it. EOD was already pay2win by the standards of "more rep and bigger secure container and no hideout grind," and yet people still played the game with lesser editions of the game. I don't see how this new edition is any different, to be honest. So I don't find this scummy. I'm not a BSG bootlicker by any means but I do believe if BSG wants to operate an ongoing game they're gonna have to come with with ways to get money from their players. Back in the days of Overwatch 1 I would buy a massive thing of loot boxes every year because I knew they gotta keep the lights on, and I was planning on dumping hundreds if not thousands more hours into the game. I'm a $1=1hr valuation kinda gamer..if I spend $50 for a game, without any consideration to the gameplay or story or anything else, I want to spend at least 50hrs in the game. I just crossed over 1k hrs in EFT, and most of it is just rotating my crafting poo poo while I'm at work. So even if half those hours were spent actually gaming, I've gotten way more than my money's worth and I want to keep playing so I don't mind kicking them another $100 to let that happen. Yeah, day one of a new wipe some folks will be running around with a gun that has a high pen/damage bullet or super high rate of fire, but those guns and that ammo is right there for the taking, either from those very players or from looting or NPCs. It's not like you're gonna be running around in T5 armor at the start of wipe, and if you somehow have a way to reliably come into that kind of armor then you realistically have a way to get those kinds of guns and ammo too. Do you have to carry that item to reap the benefits of the 60m scav agro zone? Aren't there drawbacks to holding it, like losing rep if you take out a scav? There's a tradeoff here, it's not just all sunshine and rainbows once you get 6+ rep. 60m won't matter on the maps where you're indoors frequently. Sure it's nice to know when a sniper scavs is trying to pick someone off from across the map on Customs, but when and how often has that realistically given you any sort of tactical advantage? I'd wager in fewer than .01% of your raids. But that 60m range won't matter for a crabber in dorms getting pushed by scavs. I'm 99% certain they confirmed the flare for friends to join you is a PvE only mechanic.. probably to help with boss hunting/farming. More pocket space means more space for you to get loot from your kills. They still have to balance weight, carrying more stuff just means these whales IRL might also be whales in game. Granted two more slots isn't that much, but if that's your argument then two more slots isn't that much in the other direction of the argument too. Yeah the PvE portion of the game is massive draw for folks tired of cheaters. I'm terrible at this game and players are so unpredictable it's sometimes too much for me to analyze and pick apart the best course of action against an actual human so that's it's draw for me. When I play with one friend 95% of the time when they die they're calling sus on the killer's profile, so it's a draw for them. This will let me play with that friend and not have to hear them complain about cheating. Now it'll be back to the old "they 180d and head-eyes'd me" complaint but at least that's something that can be tuned by BSG. For whatever it's worth I also don't think Arena is DLC, unless there's a way in which arena ties in to the base game, like getting Arena-specific quests or another vendor or something. They placated folks by giving it to EOD owners after everyone's whinging, and it wound up being a lovely game anyway so nobody cares now, but the playerbase learned that if they complain that BSG might give in to their demands for the perks. Orv posted:Yeah? I’m not going to, it’s still an incredibly greedy and poo poo thing to do for literally any video game, much less one that’s already charged people way more than most games. I'm not saying BSG is in the right with this question, but are you aware that Activision/Blizzard charged more for a keychain in Overwatch than they did for an identical keychain IRL? Companies are gonna be greedy, it's in their interests to do so. That said, I don't think what BSG is doing with this edition is greedy. They're just trying to keep their lights on, and employees paid. I enjoy the game for now so for now I think they've earned some more of my money. I don't play Overwatch anymore because of the lovely monetization there. At least in Tarkov I can actually be guaranteed to use what I'm paying for, where in OW it's not always a guarantee you'll get to play the hero you spent $30 for a skin on. I think this is all ragebait for the content creators to earn clicks and views and in two weeks they'll be back to wiping lobbies of plebs like us and they'll be better off because you went to go see landmark install spt or Forbes is going to echo chamber whatever nonsense everyone else is complaining about and you're just gonna gobble it up, when you just just play the loving game or uninstall it, shut up, and move on. I get this is a discussion forum and I'm not trying to stop the discussion, but the outrage over a company trying to keep their game thriving is truly astonishing. A game can't continue to evolve or even exist with servers if you're not injecting money into it, sorry folks! Yeah it's a chunk of change, but you're also getting hundreds/thousands of hours of game time. My only complaint with the PvE price tag is it would be difficult to convince a new player to go all in so you could play PvE together. But there's nothing stopping you from getting the base game and trying it out and if you're liking it enough to want to PvE then upgrading. And who knows maybe by the time that decision comes around they'll have a piecemeal option for just PvE mode.
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Aexo posted:Back in the days of Overwatch 1 I would buy a massive thing of loot boxes every year because I knew they gotta keep the lights on lmao I'm sure you were doing it so struggling company Blizzard Entertainment didn't have to shutter, you noble paladin you
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Not the whole company, but the game, sure. They gave me value at the time so I contributed back to keep the cycle going. Sorry you don't value your online games like I do I guess? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aexo posted:I get that BSG sold EOD as containing all DLC, but this new thing is not DLC. It's literally the same game with the same quests, just with a few different perks that will barely impact those folks who don't purchase it. EOD was already pay2win by the standards of "more rep and bigger secure container and no hideout grind," and yet people still played the game with lesser editions of the game. I don't see how this new edition is any different, to be honest. So I don't find this scummy. Fuckin lol
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Aexo posted:lots of words It's two hundred and fifty bucks for a game in beta man lol
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