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marktheando posted:Oh you. Moffat was really good in series 5 and also the one with Bill in it Yeah you got me with logic and good taste. I also don't mind 7A, but then you've got long stretches of mediocrity like 7B.
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Mooseontheloose posted:They could of done so much better by Martha in that finale. Yeah, also throughout the rest of series 3. Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah you got me with logic and good taste. I do really strongly dislike a lot of the stuff Moffat has put out, some of this show's lowest moments, however I also love a lot of the stuff Moffat has put out, some of this show's greatest moments. He's a land of contrasts. His Dracula thing sounds like complete dogshit though and I can't stand Sherlock, but overall I'm positive on his Who run I guess.
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I got a package from Big Mean Jerk, proving his name isn’t true! Fury from the Deep! Who-themed face masks! A cool board game I haven’t played! And an amazing custom set of 3D printed figures*! The work you put into this is fantastic and you’re a wonderful person. Many many thanks, BMJ!    * ... of DEATH! <twang>
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marktheando posted:Yeah, also throughout the rest of series 3. Don’t forget the doctor jeckle mr Hyde mini series that’s batshit insane.
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The_Doctor posted:* ... of DEATH! <twang> 
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marktheando posted:Oh hey, I've just reached Human Nature/Family of Blood in my rewatch. That three episode stretch including Utopia is so loving good. It's just a shame it was followed up by some of the worst most stupid poo poo ever seen in this programme. I definitely feel like RTD had the idea of the Master being much more explicitly a dark mirror to the Doctor, and you can see that Simm's performance is basically the worst qualities of Ten(nant) cranked up to max.
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The_Doctor posted:I got a package from Big Mean Jerk, proving his name isn’t true! Fury from the Deep! Who-themed face masks! A cool board game I haven’t played! And an amazing custom set of 3D printed figures*! The work you put into this is fantastic and you’re a wonderful person. Many many thanks, BMJ! I’m glad that thing finally arrived! I can’t take credit for the masks, those were made by my sister but I think they came out pretty well. Forbidden Desert is one of my favorite board games, it’s got a great shifting difficulty that makes every playthrough unique. If you dig it you should check out the related games Forbidden Island and Forbidden Sky. Island is simpler and quicker, Sky is more complex and difficult. Happy Christmas, Doc!
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Gaz-L posted:I definitely feel like RTD had the idea of the Master being much more explicitly a dark mirror to the Doctor, and you can see that Simm's performance is basically the worst qualities of Ten(nant) cranked up to max. RTD was very explicit about that. When asked about the Master in an interview, of whether he saw him as a friend for the Doctor, he replied that he didn't and saw him as more of a dark mirror. Don't remember the exact words or where the interview was, though, so take this with a grain of salt, I guess.
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Can't believe I forgot about Blink when talking about how good the run of episodes from Human Nature to Utopia is. Series 3 in general is really strong except for Shakespeare Code, the Daleks two parter, and all the terrible bits of Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords.
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I’d still take Tinkerbell Jesus over the last twenty minutes of “Hell Bent”. 
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John Simm in the The Doctor Falls was great, because of how much better he was than the RTD version. His beard, the more cynical, mature and calculating version of the character was so much better written than the "act like a crazy person" take. I've liked John Simm in other things, but didn't take to his Master - but that episode won me over, and left me wanting more of that version of the character. It's interesting, because the original motivation of the character - aside from taking over the world - was the desperate desire to extend his own lifespan past 13 incarnations by any means, regardless of how insane, dangerous or unethical. But now he's got a new regeneration cycle, now what? The fun of the character is that he almost wants the Doctor to foil his plans, and it's like a game between them, because deep down, they're still friends, despite it all - Moffat leaned hard into that with Missy (the Alex McQueen incarnation and the Eighth Doctor have a great bit in Dark Eyes 3 that breaks down the dynamic between the two).
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I think those early appearances soured people on Simm in kind of the same way I was soured on Chris Pine until I saw him in stuff other than the JJ Abrams Star Treks. A "Oh, he's not a bad actor, he's just good at taking direction and they WANTED him to be obnoxious and one-note" feeling.
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TinTower posted:I’d still take Tinkerbell Jesus over the last twenty minutes of “Hell Bent”. It drags a little bit it's not THAT bad. I actually think it's the beginning of the episode that's weak.
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Gaz-L posted:I think those early appearances soured people on Simm in kind of the same way I was soured on Chris Pine until I saw him in stuff other than the JJ Abrams Star Treks. A "Oh, he's not a bad actor, he's just good at taking direction and they WANTED him to be obnoxious and one-note" feeling. John Simm is doing the Master anniversary special for Big Finish, maybe he'll do some more appearances as the older version of his Master in the future. Listening to the Masterful trailer, it was a bit confusing as to who was talking, or what was going on, but it seems ambitious.
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I've said it before but I love that the Simms Master is SUCH a dick that he literally murdered a later incarnation of himself simply so he could win an argument.... with himself. I used to joke for years that there should be a story where two Masters end up scheming against each other and somehow the earlier version wins... and then Moffat only went and did it, the madman.
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Jerusalem posted:I've said it before but I love that the Simms Master is SUCH a dick that he literally murdered a later incarnation of himself simply so he could win an argument.... with himself. It's very on brand for the Master, but none moreso than Simm
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Delgado Master: Possibly killed by Daleks? Beevers Master: Possessed a Trakenite body Tipple Master: Killed by Daleks, turned into a loving snake Snake Master: Possessed a human body Roberts Master: Shoved into the Eye of Harmony (then did some Big Finish) Macqueen Master: ???? Jacobi Master: Shot by his apprentice with her Chan and her Tho, driving him INSANE!  Simm Master: Stabbed to death by a future incarnation Gomez Master: Shot to death by a prior incarnation Dhawan Master: Last seen at ground zero exposure to a device that kills all life (and thus he is presumed alive and well). There are some Big Finish Masters in there too but I'm not caught up on those yet. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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Jerusalem posted:Delgado Master: Possibly killed by Daleks? HOW DARE YOU FORGET JACOBI MASTER
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Davros1 posted:HOW DARE YOU FORGET JACOBI MASTER  I am a wretch and a fool 
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:RTD was very explicit about that. When asked about the Master in an interview, of whether he saw him as a friend for the Doctor, he replied that he didn't and saw him as more of a dark mirror. Don't remember the exact words or where the interview was, though, so take this with a grain of salt, I guess. "If The Doctor can be twee and hyperactive then so can I!"
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marktheando posted:Oh hey, I've just reached Human Nature/Family of Blood in my rewatch. That three episode stretch including Utopia is so loving good. It's just a shame it was followed up by some of the worst most stupid poo poo ever seen in this programme. He was thinking 'oh poo poo I have three hours and two packs of cigarettes left before deadline' Because that was the RTD way
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Barry Foster posted:He was thinking 'oh poo poo I have three hours and two packs of cigarettes left before deadline' Not just him, didn't Moffat not finish the script for Let's Kill Hitler until partway into filming that episode? He had everything up until River's "God Hitler's a bit rubbish, let's got kill the Fuhrer" speech done, and then had no idea where to go with it. And it shows tbh.
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Tinkerbell Jesus is silly, but it doesn't ruin the episode IMO. The way it's solved is kind of weak in that it's just not explained or set up very well, but I've never felt the sort of visceral hatred for it so much of the fandom seems to feel.
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Barry Foster posted:He was thinking 'oh poo poo I have three hours and two packs of cigarettes left before deadline' Let's not forget when RTD responded to criticisms of his lazy writing (as in, falling back on stupid tropes, trite scenarios, and deus ex machina in many of his episodes) with astonishment, and words to the effect of "I'm not a lazy writer, I write for hours on end" 
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Now, now, the writers of Doctor Who love deadlines. They love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by them. RIP Douglas Adams.
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Edward Mass posted:Hey! I freaked out over the time difference a few hours ago and thought,"Oh poo poo is there a new Doctor Who on in a couple hours!?!  " and then it turned out no, I would have to wait a whole extra day, which I am confident is the LONGEST anybody has ever had to wait for a new Doctor Who ever 
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By midnight tonight, this planet will be pulled inside out! Happy new year!  
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The_Doctor posted:By midnight tonight, this planet will be pulled inside out! Happy new year! 2021 will be the 25th anniversary of the TV movie.
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Davros1 posted:2021 will be the 25th anniversary of the TV movie. Wow, 25 years since I became obsessed with Doctor Who. I was seven years old, OK?
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Davros1 posted:2021 will be the 25th anniversary of the TV movie. First of all, how dare you.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Let's not forget when RTD responded to criticisms of his lazy writing (as in, falling back on stupid tropes, trite scenarios, and deus ex machina in many of his episodes) with astonishment, and words to the effect of "I'm not a lazy writer, I write for hours on end" He's not wrong though? He can be hackneyed and indulgent, but using the word lazy is just... well, you'd say lazy, but I'd say wrong.
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Davros1 posted:2021 will be the 25th anniversary of the TV movie. Stupid goddamn linear passage of time!
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Open Source Idiom posted:He's not wrong though? He can be hackneyed and indulgent, but using the word lazy is just... well, you'd say lazy, but I'd say wrong. So did you just skip over the part of my post where I explained what "lazy writing" (which RTD was most assuredly guilty of in the majority of his DW episodes) was or what
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So did you just skip over the part of my post where I explained what "lazy writing" (which RTD was most assuredly guilty of in the majority of his DW episodes) was or what No, I'm contesting the meaning of the phrase. I'm attempting to argue that when someone says, "no, I'm not a lazy writer", they can be guilty of the stuff you're talking about -- and I agree that RTD can often be so -- but they can also accurately claim not be lazy. I'm agreeing with you.
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